Cowboys Vs Rams ***GAME THREAD*** Post Game

[Bach]

Like I said, you would think JJ slept with your girlfriend or owned you in some business deal. It really is quite sad.

The way you defend him, one might think he was sleeping you. :laugh2:

 

[SultanOfSix]

Hmm ok so when were we NOT mediocre since winning the last super bowl with the team Jimmy built?

We haven't won a playoff game in 13 years bubba. T-H-I-R-T-E-E-N YEARS!! That's way BELOW mediocre to me. Mediocre would be actually winning a playoff game or two every other year. "Detroit Lions Pathetic" is not winning a playoff game for that long. We've sucked a lot longer than 5 years. Again, our standards are just different. Mine are obviously higher than yours. It's sad when we have Cowboys fans beginning to have the mentality of Bengals fans....sad indeed....

Umm...we didn't win a SB for more than that amount of time after Landry's last one either. Your argument sounds like a 'Skins fans argument. That's all they keep saying. You haven't won a playoff game in this amount of time. I really don't care about playoff victories. I care about SB victories. We've been to the playoffs three times, and lost all three times. Is that JJ's fault? Of course it is, because he gets the blame, but never gets any credit for the success according to you guys.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The way you defend him, one might think he was sleeping you. :laugh2:

Even if I have defended him in this thread, it pales in comparison to the amount of times you've bashed him incessantly since you've been a member of this forum. I mean, who starts a thread on this forum asking the owner of the team that he's constantly bashing to sell it?

 

[stiletto]

Umm...we didn't win a SB for more than that amount of time after Landry's last one either. Your argument sounds like a 'Skins fans argument. That's all they keep saying. You haven't won a playoff game in this amount of time. I really don't care about playoff victories. I care about SB victories. We've been to the playoffs three times, and lost all three times. Is that JJ's fault? Of course it is, because he gets the blame, but never gets any credit for the success.

Yeah and if you were a fan back then you'd know that Cowboys fans WERE SICK about the drought the organization was going through.

Look, I'm not a total Jerry basher. There are a lot of things that can be blamed all around. I actually feel sorry for him most of the time because I think he really tries to make things work.

I think he's a great business man but he's a big egotistical child when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys. He should know by now that he in his current role just cannot get the team over the hump. It's time to let someone else try. I know it's hard for some fans to see this but it's true. The Dallas Cowboys are his toy. It's HIS sandbox and it's been a mess for a long time...Like I said, no other GM would last this long. The hapless Lions are the only ones that came close. Our emperor has no clothes, just the keys to the kingdom...He should do what he does best. "Marketing" / "Selling" the Dallas Cowboys and remove himself from the football aspect of it unless drastic changes are needed at football positions like GM/HC.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You know I know a lot of people miss Jimmy, and think he was the genius totally behind our success, but here is my question.

If Jimmy was such a great GM type coach, and deserves the majority of the credit for building our team back then, then how come he wasn't the same genius when he went to Miami and actually had the keys to make all those decisions all on his own?

Jimmy was a great coach, and knew how to get the most out of talent, and did a fine job of helping Jerry, i have no doubt, of making personel decisions, but this idea that he was some how some genius and that Jerry had nothing to do with those moves was long ago proven false when he went to Miami, had that power, and fell flat on his face.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm guessing we lost?

I was at work all day and they were w/o any cable

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I'm guessing we lost?

I was at work all day and they were w/o any cable

that's an understatement we were dominated.

 

[jobberone]

Your post above mine had to do with Jerry. Did you just forget you wrote that?

And as for Switzer winning a Super Bowl, he did take over the most dominant team of the last 2 decades. Anyone could've stood on the sidelines with the team Jimmy left behind and won a Super Bowl. The fact he only won one and struggled doing it at that says a lot. So does the fact that he went 6-10 just two years later.

Switzer was a joke as an NFL HC. Gailey was an OC with the HC title. Campo was a joke that finally culminated in our 5-11 records three straight years.

BP was the only quality coach since Jimmy that Jerry hired. He took that crappy 5-11 team and had three winnings seasons in 4 years. But he didn't do all we had hoped, so Jerry quickly reverted back to someone like Wade, in the mold of the previous idiots Jerry hired after Jimmy and before BP.

Jerry is our biggest problem.

Jerry didn't fire BP. BP was leaving. He'd had enough of whatever it is that drives him away from every team every few years. BP resigned and left Jerry still in the process of building this team. Also BP didn't single handedly build a very talented club. Some of those calls were from JJ, some from Ireland, and some from Payton and others. A lot were joint. Not all of JJs calls came thru. Some did such as Ware who most likely wouldn't be here if BP had picked Spears first.

You can't have it both ways. No one except Jesus gets it right every time. JJ has been getting it right more often than not for the last few years discounting the first dynasty in the early 90s. At of all the candidates who were out there at the time, Wade was the best pick to carry on with the 3-4 and meld the team back together. He hired a consensus genius to be the OC and the vast majority of those in the football world applauded him for it.

So he built a dynasty with J Johnson and then has provided another coach the talent to have another dynasty.

I fail to see that JJ is a big problem at all. But you can distort the facts and exaggerate while puffing up and delivering your stance in an aggressive and offensive manner all you want. I'm sure there are people here that will jump on your bandwagon who are running around aimlessly screaming and shouting looking for a wagon to jump on.

Hmm ok so when were we NOT mediocre since winning the last super bowl with the team Jimmy built?

We haven't won a playoff game in 13 years bubba. T-H-I-R-T-E-E-N YEARS!! That's way BELOW mediocre to me. Mediocre would be actually winning a playoff game or two every other year. "Detroit Lions Pathetic" is not winning a playoff game for that long. We've sucked a lot longer than 5 years. Again, our standards are just different. Mine are obviously higher than yours. It's sad when we have Cowboys fans beginning to have the mentality of Bengals fans....sad indeed....

Oh and don't bother saying we weren't "mediocre" last year. We ended up VERY mediocre. Only mediocre teams finish seasons like we did last year. GAME OVER...

You're right about not winning a playoff game although I think you could make your point in a few words. Here let me help you.

The current situation the Cowboys are in that being far below most people's expectations at 4-3 is ultimately JJ's responsibility. Notice I didn't blame anyone. However, sharing that responsibility is every member of the organization including players and coaches.

Now as to your other point, there was a time when I believe we were right about 4-3 or so after losing a game to the St Louis Cardinals. Guess what that team did after that game? There is at least another similar situation us being around that kind of record and running off a serious winning streak and winning a SB. Unless you're old enough then that wouldn't be a personal memory you could relive which may be unfair to you; especially that I don't know your age.

It isn't over unless you're ready to quit watching the games. And it certainly isn't over as far as the players are concerned. You're the one predicting doom and gloom without making any real suggestions as to why and you haven't suggested any appropriate action other than someone sucks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that's an understatement we were dominated.

yeah, looks like SJ ran rough-shod over us

but I don't care anymore, **** this team

 

[Kangaroo]

Now as to your other point, there was a time when I believe we were right about 4-3 or so after losing a game to the St Louis Cardinals. Guess what that team did after that game? There is at least another similar situation us being around that kind of record and running off a serious winning streak and winning a SB. Unless you're old enough then that wouldn't be a personal memory you could relive which may be unfair to you; especially that I don't know your age.

It isn't over unless you're ready to quit watching the games. And it certainly isn't over as far as the players are concerned. You're the one predicting doom and gloom without making any real suggestions as to why and you haven't suggested any appropriate action other than someone sucks.

I understand where you are coming from I just do not see it from this team any any fashion because this the Head Coach lacks the kind of leadership to instill that type of turn around. The players have quit on the HC and the have underachieved and played sloppy in every aspect of the game since the start of the season.

With the best player to hide some of those big old warts out at least a few more weeks. I am not sure I can buy into that run

 

[stiletto]

You're right about not winning a playoff game although I think you could make your point in a few words. Here let me help you.

The current situation the Cowboys are in that being far below most people's expectations at 4-3 is ultimately JJ's responsibility. Notice I didn't blame anyone. However, sharing that responsibility is every member of the organization including players and coaches.

This is not my point. My point is the results are the same year-in year-out with Jerry as our GM since 1996. No playoff wins. No SB. I would think most GM's would be out with those results. Do you honestly think Jerry would deserve his GM job if he didn't own the team? I think he would've been gone circa ~2000.

Now as to your other point, there was a time when I believe we were right about 4-3 or so after losing a game to the St Louis Cardinals. Guess what that team did after that game? There is at least another similar situation us being around that kind of record and running off a serious winning streak and winning a SB. Unless you're old enough then that wouldn't be a personal memory you could relive which may be unfair to you; especially that I don't know your age.

So you are telling me that Wade can lead us to the promised land??? Are you serious??? I just can't get passed the whole "I let players be accountable to themselves" thing. Loser mentality IMO.

It isn't over unless you're ready to quit watching the games. And it certainly isn't over as far as the players are concerned.

Sure looks like it's over in their eyes. They certainly don't appear to be in sync with what's going on, especially on Defense. The 3-4 is a failure in Dallas. MARK IT DOWN.

You're the one predicting doom and gloom without making any real suggestions as to why and you haven't suggested any appropriate action other than someone sucks.

I've suggested appropriate action but it will never happen....well at least not until Jerry kicks the bucket. I'm thinking at least 10-15 more years of mediocrity until then...what else do I have to go on at this point?

 

[The Great Number 8]

No but wil they throw Wade to the lions???

Who knows, but Wade's making us play like the Lions

 

[Bach]

Even if I have defended him in this thread, it pales in comparison to the amount of times you've bashed him incessantly since you've been a member of this forum. I mean, who starts a thread on this forum asking the owner of the team that he's constantly bashing to sell it?

And he's done nothing to warrant your incessant defense of him.

And the thread I started was tongue in cheek. It was titled *Official 'please sell the team, Jerry' thread* to go along with all the other "official" threads that were started by others. For some reason, someone took off the *official* part.

 

[SultanOfSix]

And he's done nothing to warrant your incessant defense of him.

Maybe, maybe not, as that wasn't my point. But you've done enough for me to do attempt to "defend" him.

Perhaps you'll be as successful as him one day. But then again, I don't think so.

 

[Bach]

Maybe, maybe not, as that wasn't my point. But you've done enough for me to do attempt to "defend" him.

Perhaps you'll be as successful as him one day. But then again, I don't think so.

I doubt I could run a team into the ground as well as he does.

 

[Vintage]

God, I should have gotten wasted today.

Drinking > Cowboys football.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I doubt I could run a team into the ground as well as he does.

Oh yeah, because the last six years have been him running the team into the ground.

I'm not sure I'd want you running anything if such is your delusion.

 

[Bach]

Oh yeah, because the last six years have been him running the team into the ground.

I'm not sure I'd want you running anything if such is your delusion.

You obviously haven't been paying attention, or you are just being willfully ignorant.

I have said the one time since Jimmy that he actually tried to do it right was when he hire BP.

Him running the team into the ground is what he did in the late 90's into the early '00's. And what he is doing now. Got it?

 

[Vintage]

Hmm ok so when were we NOT mediocre since winning the last super bowl with the team Jimmy built?

We haven't won a playoff game in 13 years bubba. T-H-I-R-T-E-E-N YEARS!! That's way BELOW mediocre to me. Mediocre would be actually winning a playoff game or two every other year. "Detroit Lions Pathetic" is not winning a playoff game for that long. We've sucked a lot longer than 5 years. Again, our standards are just different. Mine are obviously higher than yours. It's sad when we have Cowboys fans beginning to have the mentality of Bengals fans....sad indeed....

Oh and don't bother saying we weren't "mediocre" last year. We ended up VERY mediocre. Only mediocre teams finish seasons like we did last year. GAME OVER...

Mediocre teams finish the season in the second round of the playoffs?

I'm a Cowboys fan. I expect postseason mediocrity. And I will cheer like hell when we win a playoff game.

 

[morasp]

There are always lots of reasons not to win. The refs, injuries, bad breaks, etc. When jj and jj parted ways, Jerry said something to the effect that any one of ten coaches could have done what Jimmy did. Well unfortunately none of the coaches Jerry chose to bring in were part of that group. I don't count Switzer who back doored into the SB on the backs of vetran player leadership and some lucky breaks. Despite putting a mediocre product on the field for twelve years, Jerry has built the cowboys into one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL. Where does all that money come from? The fans who are duped into believing that this year is going to be different. If they start looking like a well coached team that is ready to play and shows a little intensity on the field I might get interested again, otherwise why bother.