Cowboys vs. Refs

[Melonfeud]

Bingo.

It's not a conspiracy against Dallas. The refs aren't out to get us. Officiating is just crappy league wide.

I guess any rational objective person would quickly conclude that the revenue that's generated by the N.F.L. could easily resolve what's clearly inept/substandard officiating by employing FULL TIME OFFICIALS,with strenuous guidelines/remedial workshops/and accountability blah,blah and BLAH.

 

[camelboy]

Finally someone brought this up . Will Cain is a smart guy (he is on first take)

The ball was out of Sam's hand before he was touched .. anyone else noticed that? I was wondering why no one is talking about it .. Sam let it fly before he was touched.. since it's a 2-point conversion then it's over

 

[sweetness0986]

When they spotted the ball at the 8 yard line and signaled it was Minnesota's ball.

You are making this far more difficult than it needs to be.

Not really. It's a legit question. You said the ref claimed the knee was down. I'm wondering when you heard him say that, because I didn't.

My point was that there was no acknowledgement to the ball coming out at all. If he said, "The ruling on the field is that the runner's knee was down before the ball came out", ok at least there was something. It was wrong, but there was a ruling. It wasn't even addressed, that's why I'm annoyed. Poor officiating.

 

[Kevinicus]

Finally someone brought this up . Will Cain is a smart guy (he is on first take)

The ball was out of Sam's hand before he was touched .. anyone else noticed that? I was wondering why no one is talking about it .. Sam let it fly before he was touched.. since it's a 2-point conversion then it's over

That's not really relevant as to whether or not that penalty gets called.

 

[Sydla]

Not really. It's a legit question. You said the ref claimed the knee was down. I'm wondering when you heard him say that, because I didn't.

My point was that there was no acknowledgement to the ball coming out at all. If he said, "The ruling on the field is that the runner's knee was down before the ball came out", ok at least there was something. It was wrong, but there was a ruling. It wasn't even addressed, that's why I'm annoyed. Poor officiating.

No, the ref didn't announce to the world that he was claiming the runner was down. It was obviously insinuated WHEN HE SPOTTED THE BALL AT THE 8 YARD LINE AND SIGNALED FIRST DOWN FOR MINNESOTA despite the fact Wilber ran past him showing him the ball.

They are not required to make an announcement like you suggested. The ref ruled him down. End of story. It's up to the players to tell the coach to challenge or the coaches to look at a replay at that point.

Again, you are making this overly complicated.

 

[Kevinicus]

Not really. It's a legit question. You said the ref claimed the knee was down. I'm wondering when you heard him say that, because I didn't.

My point was that there was no acknowledgement to the ball coming out at all. If he said, "The ruling on the field is that the runner's knee was down before the ball came out", ok at least there was something. It was wrong, but there was a ruling. It wasn't even addressed, that's why I'm annoyed. Poor officiating.

What do you think blowing the play dead and signaling first down for the Vikings says?

It's clearly the refs ruling the play over because the player was tackled (they were in the middle of the field after all). No explanation is needed. If there had been a fumble ruled, they would have thrown the bag. It wasn't.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

People can complain about some of the calls including a call that went Dallas way. Bradford was clearly hit in the head on the 2 point conversion but was not called. Refs will miss calls it happens just as players are human and make mistakes so will refs. No one is out to get the Cowboys, the refs not against the Cowboys.

Exactly.

If you wanna complain about refs missing calls or just outright sucking, I'll lead the charge.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What do you think blowing the play dead and signaling first down for the Vikings says?

It's clearly the refs ruling the play over because the player was tackled (they were in the middle of the field after all). No explanation is needed. If there had been a fumble ruled, they would have thrown the bag. It wasn't.

Not to mention in real time, that play looked like any other run-of-the-mill play where the defender strips the ball out of ball carrier's hands well after the play. Even with the benefit of slow-motion it was close and the right call was ultimately made.

 

[camelboy]

That's not really relevant as to whether or not that penalty gets called.

I know. But it was AFTER the play and it did not impact the outcome. Had Minnisota had another down then you force the penalty on it, but since it a 2-pt conversion, then Dallas recieves the ball with a half-distance to the goal penalty enforced.

Am not a ref or football rule expert but I am following the rule of common logic. I do not dispute that it was a foul . It was a foul

 

[Kevinicus]

I know. But it was AFTER the play and it did not impact the outcome. Had Minnisota had another down then you force the penalty on it, but since it a 2-pt conversion, then Dallas recieves the ball with a half-distance to the goal penalty enforced.

Am not a ref or football rule expert but I am following the rule of common logic. I do not dispute that it was a foul . It was a foul

The play isn't over when the ball leaves his hands. It was still very much a live play at the point contact to the head was made.

 

[Melonfeud]

I didn't think the refereeing was that bad. I'd like to see a better angle of the Free hold. It looked to me to be technically a hold, but Kendricks really sold it well. I would just like to see a better camera angle to see how bad of a hold it was.

The previous 4 games we had been screwed pretty badly by the refs, so in part I'm just glad to see us not get hosed by them in this game.

I can understand that Robison was upset with the non-call against Bradford at the end, but he's being silly otherwise. And even still, the left tackle for Minny appeared to make a false start to begin with.

The problem with the refs is multifold. They lack consistency and they struggle to figure out the penalties that they MUST call because they are so blatant. They tend to call a lot of questionable/could go either way penalties all of the time and then let too many blatant penalties go to the wayside.

Then they need to figure out how to use the instant replay. How to consistently make decisions when it is difficult to see what went on and make a decision accordingly where instant replay can be used as a fail-safe.

From there, they tend to use instant replay as a crutch and struggle to see things clearly.

Perhaps if the league focused on important penalties like pass interference (both offensive and defensive), holding and possession of the ball instead of end zone celebrations the refereeing would be better. Of course, I don't expect much improvement when the head of referees has never refereed a football game on any level (pro, semi-pro, college, high school or Pop Warner).




YR

Good post/input!

I can't really wrap my head around the fact that they can throw a flag(impending punishment for somebody) huddle up,,,pick up the flag and simply state: THERE WAS NO FLAG ON THE PLAY!,,,,STOP right there,,,cuz that golden flag has been immediately devalued ,and a general rundown as to the WHY/WHAT FER',,,needs to be given.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Whether against the Cowboys or their opponents, the refs are killing the joy right out of the game. Let them play, for God's sake!

 

[Doomsay]

The problem I have with that call is that the Player, moved OS arm up to his head. It was not that Scandrick made a bad play, the other player forced his arm up which is what caused the contact to the head area. It should have been a no call.

Rudolph grabbed Scandrick behind his elbow and pushed his arm up like a rag doll - scan got his thumb caught under 82's helmet as his arm was being pushed up which coked back the helmet & generated the call. The flag seemed to be thrown simultaneously with the helmet cock & the int - so it seemed bad but not suspicious.


Free's holding call was not valid and appeared to be pretty late (after it was clear that Zeke was going to rip one) - will have to look at the 22.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Well since they didn't call Thornton slapping Bradford in the face I'll let the BS slide this time -.-

only made up for costing us a TD early in the game after Zeke's long run

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Or missed the obvious personal foul on the two pointer when Irving smacked Bradford in the head.

There really is nothing more embarrassing than whining about the officials............ especially when the calls appeared legit. The only bonehead one that I thought was possibly a stretch was the clip on Escobar. That was tight.

what about the weak call on Scandrick and the hold on the Zeke run?

 

[Sydla]

what about the weak call on Scandrick and the hold on the Zeke run?

I didn't recall the Free hold at the time but it appears to have been a dicey call.

I think Scandrick's was legit IMO. Apparently the rule is hands to the face means face, head or neck area. Scandrick was clearly pushing Rudolph's head back right near the ear hole area of the helmet. Some are opining that Rudolph pushed his hand up there but nonetheless Scandrick is clearly pushing his head back.

I think the best way to look at this is if the roles were reversed and Dak threw a pick but Rhodes was caught pushing Dez's head like that and it went uncalled, I have little to no doubt many of the complainers here would have been screaming to high heaven that it was a clear hands to the face penalty.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Finally someone brought this up . Will Cain is a smart guy (he is on first take)

The ball was out of Sam's hand before he was touched .. anyone else noticed that? I was wondering why no one is talking about it .. Sam let it fly before he was touched.. since it's a 2-point conversion then it's over

Will Cain is legit. He's always outnumbered and they gang up on him

 

[Clove]

Cowboys just got away with a hands to the face on Bradford on the last play, but apparently the refs are out to get us.

I'm guessing you forgot the false start on that play?

 

[MileyDancer]

Refs are horrible. playoffs are gona have some major controversy its bound to happen..

I don't know. It seems like in recent years the refs let the players play a little more in the 'offs.

 

[KLJ]

i really hate complaining about refs because it does no good and most fans think the refs are out to get their particular team. i will say this however. elliot must have pissed in someone's cornflakes because he has had some great runs called back on questionable holding calls.