Cowboys will trade down if Ginn Jr not there...

[Typhus]

At #22 there will be 5-10 players that are valued somewhat equally at positions the cowboys need to address.

Because this draft is loaded at the WR, CB, and OL positions, there should also be quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in those positions. And they happen to be positions the cowboys need to address.

So if we are to trade down, here are a few possible suitors that grade out value wise....

How about Tampa...Boys 1st rd (780 pts) for

2nd...#35 (550 pts)
3rd...#68 (250 pts) = 800 pts

or Oakland..Boys 1st and 3rd (935 pts)

2nd...#33 (580)
3rd...#65 (265)
4th...#100 (100) = 945 pts

or New England...Boys 1st (780) for

1st..#24 (740)
4th...#127 (45) = 785

OR 1st...#28 (660)
3rd...#91 (136) = 796



Likely trade partner........San Diego

1st-----#22(780)
6th-----#200(12.4)==792.4

for

1st-----#30(620)
3rd-----#93(128)
4th-----#129(43)
7th-----#240(1.4)==792.4

San Diego can do this because they have a Supplemental 3rd(#96) and a Supplemental 5th(#172)

It just may be the best thing to do unless the cowboys have some one at 22 they just love.
But I am really starting to think that we can fall back 5 or 6 spots and get the same kind of player we would get at 22.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Regardless of what most think Gin Jr. is a big time playmaker and anyone who saw him play and has common sense knows this. That being said, I believe if he is not there, cowboys trade down. Here our my two predictions for trade down:

1) Based on all the rumors and scout talk. Chargers trades up with Dallas and gets top safety or wideout they want. Dallas gets:

a) Jarret or Meachem at 30, plus Turner RB in trade up from chargers.

b) Cowboys get Turner, plus Spencer at pick 30 and Rice WR at 53.

This could change but alot depends on whats there when we pick.

I would love for your prediction to come true.......would love Turner with a star on his helmet.

 

[jobberone]

I also believe that we will trade out of the 22 spot and maybe with the Chargers depending on who is there, either a WR they want or a S they want.

Jerry is going to try and help Phillips make the defense better and that means either a CB or OLB. That will be our pick in the first. The talk about offense and WR are just smoke just like the last few years. Every year the experts predict a WR for us in the first or second round.

JMO, but Phillips will have a bit of a say in this draft but Ireland will have Jerry's ear the most.

I wouldn't mind getting Turner except the same problem exist with him as with Julius Jones. You are going to have to pay them big money after this year. If Dallas doesn't believe Julius is an elite back then they will have to believe that Turner is in order to justify paying him big money.

I won't be surprised if we trade Julius for the right offer to someone like Cleveland or Green Bay or just possibly New England since Maroney injury may be worst than we realize. But trading him for Turner doesn't make that much sense.

Remember also that Garrett and Phillips want more of a power running game which leads me to someone like Brian Leonard or Jackie Battle in the draft.

Nice post. Nice reminder about Turner's problem with a contract. He thinks he should be paid big money. That's a problem I think.

I'm 80% convinced we go D in the first as well. I'm very certain we shouldn't pick a #2 WR with our first pick when there are #1 WRs there. That's what Ginn is. You can't deny that Ginn raises his worth with his return abilities. though. I do see the argument using a #1 on him. I just don't agree. I wouldn't use my potential #1 WR for return duties on a regular basis. Not when you can use Newman for spot duty. Not everyone is going to be a Hester. Players like him come along occasionally IMO.

 

[jobberone]

At #22 there will be 5-10 players that are valued somewhat equally at positions the cowboys need to address.

Because this draft is loaded at the WR, CB, and OL positions, there should also be quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in those positions. And they happen to be positions the cowboys need to address.

So if we are to trade down, here are a few possible suitors that grade out value wise....

How about Tampa...Boys 1st rd (780 pts) for

2nd...#35 (550 pts)
3rd...#68 (250 pts) = 800 pts

or Oakland..Boys 1st and 3rd (935 pts)

2nd...#33 (580)
3rd...#65 (265)
4th...#100 (100) = 945 pts

or New England...Boys 1st (780) for

1st..#24 (740)
4th...#127 (45) = 785

OR 1st...#28 (660)
3rd...#91 (136) = 796



Likely trade partner........San Diego

1st-----#22(780)
6th-----#200(12.4)==792.4

for

1st-----#30(620)
3rd-----#93(128)
4th-----#129(43)
7th-----#240(1.4)==792.4

San Diego can do this because they have a Supplemental 3rd(#96) and a Supplemental 5th(#172)

It just may be the best thing to do unless the cowboys have some one at 22 they just love.
But I am really starting to think that we can fall back 5 or 6 spots and get the same kind of player we would get at 22.

Nice work. I like the last comment about getting the same tier player trading down into the very low first. Even the top of the second in this draft. I don't agree with getting less than a second in value for trading down. There is too much chance of losing a more valuable player IMO.

Just don't get too cute and miss out on a valuable player Jerry. This team needs to fill holes since its a contender. It doesn't need to bulk up on player options.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Dallas should trade down if Ginn is there.

Right... But what gives the thread starter the idea that Cowboys are this press for Tedd Ginn?



I guess Cowboys are willing to trade up if Ginn two picks ahead of them.




Funniest Theory I heard all year. The other one was from the lady from Sports Illustrated that had the Cowboys drafting Aaron Rouse at their first round draft choice.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

I think it'd be exciting to have Ginn on the team. I'd enjoy watching him.

On the other hand, the Cowboys could draft a punt returner (likely a CB or WR) on Day 2 and pick among their top pure WR candidates on Day 1.

Again, although I like Ginn, if he turns out to be a contributing WR, Ginn would present the Cowboys with "the Terrance Newman problem."

Newman is a great punt returner, but he also so important otherwise that it is almost too risky to use him as a punt returner.

I could see that happening with Ginn. If he turns out to be the receiver that he should be as a 1st round pick, he'll be too valuable to gamble on punt returns.

thats not really a problem so much as a concern but having players that are great at two things can not be called a problem

 

[ethiostar]

At #22 there will be 5-10 players that are valued somewhat equally at positions the cowboys need to address.

Because this draft is loaded at the WR, CB, and OL positions, there should also be quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in those positions. And they happen to be positions the cowboys need to address.

So if we are to trade down, here are a few possible suitors that grade out value wise....

How about Tampa...Boys 1st rd (780 pts) for

2nd...#35 (550 pts)
3rd...#68 (250 pts) = 800 pts

or Oakland..Boys 1st and 3rd (935 pts)

2nd...#33 (580)
3rd...#65 (265)
4th...#100 (100) = 945 pts

or New England...Boys 1st (780) for

1st..#24 (740)
4th...#127 (45) = 785

OR 1st...#28 (660)
3rd...#91 (136) = 796



Likely trade partner........San Diego

1st-----#22(780)
6th-----#200(12.4)==792.4

for

1st-----#30(620)
3rd-----#93(128)
4th-----#129(43)
7th-----#240(1.4)==792.4

San Diego can do this because they have a Supplemental 3rd(#96) and a Supplemental 5th(#172)

It just may be the best thing to do unless the cowboys have some one at 22 they just love.
But I am really starting to think that we can fall back 5 or 6 spots and get the same kind of player we would get at 22.

The begining part of this post sounds awfully familier

Here is what i posted a week ago in a thread titled "I jus can't make up my mind...."

I feel you man, i have been going back and forth for a while now. I also agree with your assessment that DT and C are positions that 'need' to be addressed. Although i would add LB position in the mix also. Across the board we are very thin at the linebacker spot, especially for a team that runs a 3-4 defense.

I also agree that at #22 there will be 5-10 players that are valued somewhat equally at positions the cowboys need to address. Because this draft is loaded at the WR, CB, and OL positions, there should also be quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in those positions. And they happen to be positions the cowboys need to address.

I raised a question in another thread a few days ago about trading out of the first round, if the opportunity presents itself, particularly if the boys can get an early 2nd and 3rd round picks this year and what ever else. But i wouldn't be against droping a few spots in the first and getting an additional first day pick this year either. Basically, i like the idea of getting four picks in the first day of the draft, since we need to address a number of positions for depth purposes.

Having said all this if by some divine intervention someone like Levi Brown, patrick willis, Amobi Okoye, Alen Branch, Gains Adams, or Leon Hall, is there when the cowboys pick at 22, i will thank the heavens and just make the pick

Plagerism is a serious offense my friend

 

[Concord]

If Ginn's there pick him.

If not pick the next best guy.

Don't trade down.