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I listen to satellite radio most of the time but when I'm in my company truck I only have regular radio. As such, today I just happened to catch Colin Cowherd asking the million dollar question. Why is Aaron Rodgers considered a top quarterback. He attributed it to fantasy players and gaudy stats and went on to point out that he has one of the best receiving corps in the league. He also pointed out that he has NO playoff wins at all. In the same breath asking why would he be considered better than Tony Romo who has a playoff win. I personally think Rodgers is a good quarterback but not better than Romo, this is just the first time the sports media has had anyone question the love he gets over Romo or any other quaterback in that particular tier. (2nd) behind Brady,Manning, and Brees.
 
That statline against the lions was god awful, i remember during the early highlights of that game someone called him the early mvp frontrunner.

I like the guy but the hype is at ridiculous levels.
 
People just hate Dallas so they have to hate on Romo as well. Rodgers is what 2 games over .500 as a starter, no division titles and no play off wins but he is suppose to be the 4th best QB in the league?

The same people that say Romo puts up stats but cant win when it counts, say Rodgers walks on water. Go figure!
 
There are sacred cows in the media that covers the NFL, and Rodgers is one of them. The other is Donovan McNabb (post Rush Limbaugh comments).

It doesn't matter how average they look...the media won't call it like it is.
 
I agree that Rodgers is overrated, insofar as Rivers is underrated...but Romo is really not quite in the same category.

It's:

1. Manning
2. Brees
...
3. Rivers
4. Rodgers
...
Then the whole Romo/Schaub/Eli/Roethlisberger bonanza.

I don't really understand the whole Brady thing. He was essentially roethlisberger (top 5 to 10ish quarterback every year, won several championships with great defenses) until 2007 when he got moss/welker and went crazy. So then it was confusing...is he this good or not? He never had any receivers before...but then again welker/moss is a historically great duo and it was just one year. So I wanted to see him duplicate. But then he's out all of '08 and Matt Cassell (who seems to suck in KC) does just as well as Brady does when he comes back in '09 (which is once again being a top 5 to 10ish quarterback).

Given it takes 2 years to come back from an ACL, I wanted to see if he would be back in form this year...but welker is hobbled and Moss is going to be traded. So I guess we'll never know how good Brady was. My guess is he's overrated.

And...

Playoff wins don't matter so much to me. I thought Brees was the best quarterback in the league in 2008...and his team was what...8-8?
 
I think Romo is very good, but Rodgers is equally good and it might be argued that he would be better with a running game and oline.
Personally I think both are closing the gap on Brady, Manning and Brees.

Rivers is the most overrated in my opinion, guy just lobs most of his throws and hopes his maple tree for recievers go up and catch it.
 
Ayuh Rodgers is a beast, he has some bad tendencies that come out in some games though. He's very similar to Romo in quite a few ways IMO. Romo is more elusive but Rodgers seems to have slightly better vision.
 
hra8700;3600973 said:
I agree that Rodgers is overrated, insofar as Rivers is underrated...but Romo is really not quite in the same category.

It's:

1. Manning
2. Brees
...
3. Rivers
4. Rodgers
...
Then the whole Romo/Schaub/Eli/Roethlisberger bonanza.

I don't really understand the whole Brady thing. He was essentially roethlisberger (top 5 to 10ish quarterback every year, won several championships with great defenses) until 2007 when he got moss/welker and went crazy. So then it was confusing...is he this good or not? He never had any receivers before...but then again welker/moss is a historically great duo and it was just one year. So I wanted to see him duplicate. But then he's out all of '08, and '09 he's back to being a top 5 to 10ish quarterback. But that doesn't really count, since it takes 2 years to fully recover from an acl. So I wanted to see this year...but welker is crippled and moss is going to be traded. So I guess we'll never really know how good Brady was.


And...

Playoff wins don't matter so much to me. I thought Brees was the best quarterback in the league in 2008...and his team was what...8-8?
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Brady is good. Why is Rodgers in a higher category than Romo? Because he has a stronger arm? The fact is, Tony has NEVER had a great offensive line or a stud runningback. Plus, Dallas has a defense that does not get many turnovers, which puts a stress on the offense to have long, sustaining drives. Green Bay on the other hand, forces tons of turnovers which is great for the offense. You can't give me one real reason as to why Rodgers is better than Romo right now.
 
TheSport78;3600984 said:
Brady is good. Why is Rodgers in a higher category than Romo? Because he has a stronger arm? The fact is, Tony has NEVER had a great offensive line or a stud runningback. Plus, Dallas has a defense that does not get many turnovers, which puts a stress on the offense to have long, sustaining drives. Green Bay on the other hand, forces tons of turnovers which is great for the offense. You can't give me one real reason as to why Rodgers is better than Romo right now.
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Advanced stats can pretty much remove the defense from the equation. NEITHER has had a great offensive line OR a stud running back.

Three reasons:

1. Stats say so
2. When you watch them play, Rodgers makes you think "oh man he is good." Of course the stronger arm, just as mobile, more accurate, better decision making. He's just better.
3. Most importantly: Rodgers never really has games when he just looks anemic. Several games every year you watch Romo and it's just shocking how little the offense is able to do.


Edit: I like Romo. But he is what he is: an average franchise quarterback. Which isn't so bad...I'm happy with him.
 
hra8700;3600993 said:
Advanced stats can pretty much remove the defense from the equation. NEITHER has had a great offensive line OR a stud running back.

Three reasons:

1. Stats say so
2. When you watch them play, Rodgers makes you think "oh man he is good." Of course the stronger arm, just as mobile, more accurate, better decision making. He's just better.
3. Most importantly: Rodgers never really has games when he just looks anemic. Several games every year you watch Romo and it's just shocking how little the offense is able to do.


Edit: I like Romo. But he is what he is: an average franchise quarterback. Which isn't so bad...I'm happy with him.
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Rodgers never really has games where he looks anemic? Did you watch him against the Lions on Sunday? He was anemic.

So what judges how good a QB is, are stats and measurables? Romo and Rodgers both put up great stats so I don't see the difference there.

Dan Marino probably had better measurables than Joe Montana, so is Marino considered a better QB than Montana? Heck no. To me, QB's are judged and ranked based on division titles, wins in general, playoff wins, and most importantly, Super Bowls. Romo is ahead of Rodgers in most of these categories.

This is why I have Big Ben ahead of Romo, Rodgers and Rivers. The guy wins. He makes big plays when his team needs them the most. He doesn't put up great stats, but he always seems to make the big play when needed. That's why he has the bling.
 
I like Romo.
I think Romo is a VERY good QB.

And I would trade Romo for Rodgers any day ending in "y".
Rodgers is something else.
 
TheSport78;3601000 said:
Rodgers never really has games where he looks anemic? Did you watch him against the Lions on Sunday? He was anemic.

So what judges how good a QB is, are stats and measurables? Romo and Rodgers both put up great stats so I don't see the difference there.

Dan Marino probably had better measurables than Joe Montana, so is Marino considered a better QB than Montana? Heck no. To me, QB's are judged and ranked based on division titles, wins in general, playoff wins, and most importantly, Super Bowls. Romo is ahead of Rodgers in most of these categories.

This is why I have Big Ben ahead of Romo, Rodgers and Rivers. The guy wins. He makes big plays when his team needs them the most. He doesn't put up great stats, but he always seems to make the big play when needed. That's why he has the bling.
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1. I did watch that game, Rodgers didn't look anemic in that game at all, he played great. His drives stalled, but that wasn't always his fault. here are all of his passes by drive:

1. A. Rodgers passed to D. Driver to the left for 29 yard (touchdown)

2. A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley to the right for 11 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley to the right for 8 yard gain (on 1st and 10...so a success)

3. A. Rodgers rushed to the left for 5 yard gain (on 1st and 10...so a success)
A. Rodgers incomplete pass to the right (on 3rd and 1...his first failure)
This drive failed because of him


4. A. Rodgers sacked by L. Delmas (another failure)
A. Rodgers passed to B. Jackson to the right for 1 yard gain (another failure)
A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley down the middle for 13 yard touchdown (an AMAZING pass BTW)
Two failures on 1st and 2nd down...but a touchdown on 3rd down. Successful drive on his part

5. A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley to the left for 4 yard gain (on 1st down...neither success or failure)
A. Rodgers passed to D. Driver down the middle for 48 yard gain (Big success)
A. Rodgers passed to G. Jennings to the left for 17 yard touchdown. (big success)

6. A. Rodgers passed to G. Jennings down the middle for 8 yard gain (for a 1st down)
A. Rodgers passed to J. Jones to the left for 15 yard gain (for a 1st down)
A. Rodgers incomplete pass to the left (a failure)
C. Houston intercepted A. Rodgers for no gain (this wasn't even THAT bad an interception)
The 2nd drive that failed because of him...but the interception was deep in detroit territory (detroit 7)...so, as romo says "like a punt"

7. A. Rodgers incomplete pass down the middle
A. Rodgers sacked by N. Suh
Failed drive by Rodgers

8. A. Smith intercepted A. Rodgers for no gain (this was just a great defensive play...and once again...from green bay 22 to detroit 29...like a punt)

9. A. Rodgers passed to D. Driver to the right for 12 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers rushed to the right for 16 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers passed to D. Lee to the left for 15 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss (kneeled down)
This drive killed over 6 minutes of clock to win the game.


So I count:

4 extremely successful drives (3 td's, one 6 minute drive to end the game)
1 drive that ended in a punt that wasn't his fault
2 interceptions that IMO weren't particularly egregious that left the ball deep in the opponent's territory. One was just a damn good defensive play, the other was a bit of a mistake but not all that bad.
2 drives that ended because of him.

That's a very successful day. 2.33 points per drive...that's exactly what GB averaged last year...6th in the league.

Stat line:

Aaron Rodgers(notes) 12 17 181 70.6 10.6 2 12 3 2 105.3

Over 70% complete, 10.6 yards per attempt. That's phenomenal.

Anemic?????

2. A QB isn't the only one that determines wins. Brees's Saints were 8-8 in '08. I don't know about you, but I thought he was a top 2 quarterback before he won a ring last year.
 
Okay go buy an Arodg jersey and cheer for the pack dude.

Romo has been just as amazing as Rodgers and i'd argue Rodgers has/had more weapons in GB than Romo.

Romo's o line might be worse too.
 
Rodgers is so overrated it's ridiculous. They always have the same receivers running the same routes and with zero running game they will get exposed. Ryan Grant was a gigantic loss.

We will get our revenge from last year and beat them on their frozen field, guaranteed.
 
Media/fans really crack me up sometimes.

Can you even imagine the hate Romo would face if he won only 20 of his first 36 starts like Rodgers has done? Tony won 26 of his first 36 starts, put up blistering numbers in the process, and made the Cowboys relevant in the NFC again. But it wasn't enough. He needed a playoff win in order for the media to annoint him as elite, right? That was his golden ticket!

"Numbers be damned! Win a playoff game!"

I guess not being the QB of America's Team means Rodgers gets a free pass on all of that.

"Rodgers is elite, look at his numbers! Forget his W/L record and the 0 playoff wins!"

You can argue stats until you're blue in the face... Rodgers has a slightly higher QB rating and lower INT %, Romo has a better yards/attempt and higher TD% and a lower sack %.

But Romo wins more. (And isn't that what's most important? Or no, my bad, what's "most important" is always the thing that the Cowboys QB is deficient in. When Aikman was our QB, numbers were most important... this allowed media/fans to say Steve Young is better).

39-19 as a starter (plus a not-so-valuable-anymore-since-he's-done-it playoff win) vs. 20-16 as a starter. A 67.2% win percentage vs. a 55.6%. When the Cowboys don't beat themselves, Romo makes the Cowboys incredibly difficult to beat. Sacks are drive-killers. Romo doesn't take sacks, and he has a flair for making things happen, especially on 3rd down. In fact, I honestly think Romo has spoiled the Cowboys to the extent where that could be one of the reasons we are often so sloppy offensively. Who needs details when Superman under center can get us out of practically any jam?

Now Rodgers, he takes sacks. In fact, he led the league in sacks allowed last year.

Whether Green Bay wins or loses, you see Rodgers' stat line and you assume he had a great game. What the stat line won't show you is the sack he took on 3rd and 6 that helped kill a key drive which ultimately led to defeat. 20-16 as a starter is barely above .500, and Green Bay has given him a pretty freakin' strong supporting cast. Not like he's working with scrubs up there.

Either way, they're both terrific and it's definitely an arguable debate. I don't blame people for assuming Rodgers is better... in fact, you'd have to be pretty strong-minded to NOT think so, since the media has done their darndest to convince us of this for almost a year now.
 
Wasn't he tooting Rodgers horn at the start of the season? And now he's flip flopped? Sylvester's just the worst. Hell would be listening to him and Norm slurp their way through a conversation for the rest of eternity.
 
I just don't see how anyone could say Rodgers is better than Romo. Rodgers is a very good QB but I think Romo is just as good or bit better, imo.
 
hra8700;3601021 said:
1. I did watch that game, Rodgers didn't look anemic in that game at all, he played great. His drives stalled, but that wasn't always his fault. here are all of his passes by drive:

1. A. Rodgers passed to D. Driver to the left for 29 yard (touchdown)

2. A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley to the right for 11 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley to the right for 8 yard gain (on 1st and 10...so a success)

3. A. Rodgers rushed to the left for 5 yard gain (on 1st and 10...so a success)
A. Rodgers incomplete pass to the right (on 3rd and 1...his first failure)
This drive failed because of him


4. A. Rodgers sacked by L. Delmas (another failure)
A. Rodgers passed to B. Jackson to the right for 1 yard gain (another failure)
A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley down the middle for 13 yard touchdown (an AMAZING pass BTW)
Two failures on 1st and 2nd down...but a touchdown on 3rd down. Successful drive on his part

5. A. Rodgers passed to J. Finley to the left for 4 yard gain (on 1st down...neither success or failure)
A. Rodgers passed to D. Driver down the middle for 48 yard gain (Big success)
A. Rodgers passed to G. Jennings to the left for 17 yard touchdown. (big success)

6. A. Rodgers passed to G. Jennings down the middle for 8 yard gain (for a 1st down)
A. Rodgers passed to J. Jones to the left for 15 yard gain (for a 1st down)
A. Rodgers incomplete pass to the left (a failure)
C. Houston intercepted A. Rodgers for no gain (this wasn't even THAT bad an interception)
The 2nd drive that failed because of him...but the interception was deep in detroit territory (detroit 7)...so, as romo says "like a punt"

7. A. Rodgers incomplete pass down the middle
A. Rodgers sacked by N. Suh
Failed drive by Rodgers

8. A. Smith intercepted A. Rodgers for no gain (this was just a great defensive play...and once again...from green bay 22 to detroit 29...like a punt)

9. A. Rodgers passed to D. Driver to the right for 12 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers rushed to the right for 16 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers passed to D. Lee to the left for 15 yard gain (1st down)
A. Rodgers rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss (kneeled down)
This drive killed over 6 minutes of clock to win the game.


So I count:

4 extremely successful drives (3 td's, one 6 minute drive to end the game)
1 drive that ended in a punt that wasn't his fault
2 interceptions that IMO weren't particularly egregious that left the ball deep in the opponent's territory. One was just a damn good defensive play, the other was a bit of a mistake but not all that bad.
2 drives that ended because of him.

That's a very successful day. 2.33 points per drive...that's exactly what GB averaged last year...6th in the league.

Stat line:

Aaron Rodgers(notes) 12 17 181 70.6 10.6 2 12 3 2 105.3

Over 70% complete, 10.6 yards per attempt. That's phenomenal.

Anemic?????

2. A QB isn't the only one that determines wins. Brees's Saints were 8-8 in '08. I don't know about you, but I thought he was a top 2 quarterback before he won a ring last year.
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Yes, he had such an amazing game that he somehow found a way to put up ZERO POINTS in the 2nd half. This has been said before. He has one of, if not the best WR corps in the league, and a turnover machine defense to put him in a better position, something Romo has NEVER had. Rodgers is good, but there's no way hes elite like some fans and media are trying to portray him as. I guarantee Romo will win a Super Bowl before Rodgers.
 
The fact that Cowherd was the one to bring this up makes me reconsider my opinion.
 
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