Credit where credit is due - Bernadeu

[xwalker]

Both. They are similar guys in talent. Strong guys who move marginally and have trouble with quick twitch guys. Bernie has a tad more upside but is more inconsistent than Leary. Both can maul and between them, once Waters, and Fred you are seeing some inside push which is actually hard to do in todays NFL.

I disagree. I think Leary has more upside. He is more powerful and has quicker feet. He occasionally gets beat due to over-committing to one direction off the snap. He had zero experience in real NFL games prior to this season. They have the Center help Bernadeau much more than he helps Leary.

 

[Fredd]

Don't underestimate the impact Waters had on this line. His season might have been cut short but his precense will be felt on this line for a long time I suspect.

agreed. that is why I hold out hope for a 1-year return next year for Waters...

 

[Risen Star]

His problem has always been consistency. He will play well for a few games then absolutely stink up the place. That is why he really only good as a backup.

Agreed. He's one of those George Selvie types. The more he plays, the worse he is.

 

[jobberone]

I disagree. I think Leary has more upside. He is more powerful and has quicker feet. He occasionally gets beat due to over-committing to one direction off the snap. He had zero experience in real NFL games prior to this season. They have the Center help Bernadeau much more than he helps Leary.

You could be right. I don't see a lot of difference though. I don't think Fred is helping either one more than the other and I think both guards are helping him on some plays as well depending on the defensive lineup. Fred gets mauled at times and I seldom if ever hear about him on this site. He's just as responsible for the collapse of the pocket as the others are. None of them are going to the Pro Bowl this year although I have hopes for them all esp Fred.

 

[Brooksey]

Agreed. He's one of those George Selvie types. The more he plays, the worse he is.

How do you figure? The more he plays the better he's getting as just presented. Are you using the same logic you used to pick the Giants to Win up in NY? How did that workout?

 

[Idgit]

How do you figure? The more he plays the better he's getting as just presented. Are you using the same logic you used to pick the Giants to Win up in NY? How did that workout?

The OG play had been bad for a while, but it was always a secondary concern, and the team obviously treated it accordingly. They fixed both OTs and drafted a Center, which is where you want to spend your resources if you're going to commit that kind of draft effort to your OL. But instead of realizing that's what the team was doing and watching it come together, it was easier to just complain until it was beyond obvious.

This thread is as close as we're going to get to a 'my bad' on the topic, after pages and pages and pages to the contrary the last three offseasons. I think I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Oh_Canada]

How do you figure? The more he plays the better he's getting as just presented. Are you using the same logic you used to pick the Giants to Win up in NY? How did that workout?

Apparently, he would be the first lineman to get better in his late twenties.

 

[jobberone]

The OG play had been bad for a while, but it was always a secondary concern, and the team obviously treated it accordingly. They fixed both OTs and drafted a Center, which is where you want to spend your resources if you're going to commit that kind of draft effort to your OL. But instead of realizing that's what the team was doing and watching it come together, it was easier to just complain until it was beyond obvious.

This thread is as close as we're going to get to a 'my bad' on the topic, after pages and pages and pages to the contrary the last three offseasons. I think I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts.

Yep but some are going down with the ship no matter what. It must be a yin yang thing.

 

[burmafrd]

Apparently, he would be the first lineman to get better in his late twenties.

no, he would be the exception to the rule that after 5-6 seasons he finally gets it. It is not like he did not get plenty of experience starting before. After 5-6 years of being up and down only a real Pollyanna would think = NOW HE GETS IT!

 

[Idgit]

Yep but some are going down with the ship no matter what. It must be a yin yang thing.

Well, more are simply hiding out. Props to burm and Risen for at least half-heartedly propping up their new arguments. I'm trying to remember, but I don't seem to recall a lot of 'he's inconsistent' commentary this offseason. I *do* remember a lot of 'he's total garbage and only an incompetent GM or a pollyanna would think otherwise." I guess the trip from 'total garbage' to 'inconsistent' is not a long one.

Then again, I hadn't noticed him getting worse recently the more he plays, so what do I know?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

no, he would be the exception to the rule that after 5-6 seasons he finally gets it. It is not like he did not get plenty of experience starting before. After 5-6 years of being up and down only a real Pollyanna would think = NOW HE GETS IT!

I get that.

But Bern has only been a starter for the last two seasons and he started out on the wrong foot with regard to injuries.

This year, after he replaced Waters, he was in the best shape in his short Cowboy career.

I'm not proclaiming the guy a top-30 guard, but let's see how he finishes the season.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, more are simply hiding out. Props to burm and Risen for at least half-heartedly propping up their new arguments. I'm trying to remember, but I don't seem to recall a lot of 'he's inconsistent' commentary this offseason. I *do* remember a lot of 'he's total garbage and only an incompetent GM or a pollyanna would think otherwise." I guess the trip from 'total garbage' to 'inconsistent' is not a long one.

Then again, I hadn't noticed him getting worse recently the more he plays, so what do I know?

Well the whole, "He (Bern) gets worse the more he plays" line is simply... well wrong.

Last season, Bern started off horribly for the first few weeks, then he recovered his health and put together a few solid weeks. Then came another injury and a few more bad weeks before ending the season in better shape.

This year Bern started off very badly against the Giants. He was benched for Waters, came back and has done very well the last month.

Let's see how he finishes.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Well, more are simply hiding out. Props to burm and Risen for at least half-heartedly propping up their new arguments. I'm trying to remember, but I don't seem to recall a lot of 'he's inconsistent' commentary this offseason. I *do* remember a lot of 'he's total garbage and only an incompetent GM or a pollyanna would think otherwise." I guess the trip from 'total garbage' to 'inconsistent' is not a long one.

Then again, I hadn't noticed him getting worse recently the more he plays, so what do I know?

Is there another GM in the league who gets the weekly blame/credit for every individual player who has a bad game? If a player misses a tackle its Jerry's fault. If a player misses a block its because the GM is incompetent. If a player gets injured its the gambling GM's fault for foolishly taking chances on injury prone players.

 

[Brooksey]

no, he would be the exception to the rule that after 5-6 seasons he finally gets it. It is not like he did not get plenty of experience starting before. After 5-6 years of being up and down only a real Pollyanna would think = NOW HE GETS IT!

So acknowledging someone playing well as a fan and expecting it to continue is a Pollyanna huh? Do you think your pessimism and sarcasm makes you a smarter fan?

 

[jobberone]

Took Nate Newton awhile to get it. There are many reasons why some (read many these days) have problems for a few years. Mack has played 443 snaps this year which is 85% of the snaps. He's had one bad game, NYG, and the rest started have been positive. He's started two full years, one for Dallas and the other Carolina. He's 27 in his sixth year with not a lot of wear for it. He's a 7th round pick out of that hotbed of OL, Bentley, which has produced two NFL draftees and one starter in its glorious history. I bet he got some really good NFL ready coaching in Bentley.

Not everyone is a John Hannah and no raw football player is going to come into the NFL and start beating the other guy consistently. You have to know more than the kick-slide to play well esp at G.

 

[jobberone]

Well, more are simply hiding out. Props to burm and Risen for at least half-heartedly propping up their new arguments. I'm trying to remember, but I don't seem to recall a lot of 'he's inconsistent' commentary this offseason. I *do* remember a lot of 'he's total garbage and only an incompetent GM or a pollyanna would think otherwise." I guess the trip from 'total garbage' to 'inconsistent' is not a long one.

Then again, I hadn't noticed him getting worse recently the more he plays, so what do I know?

People are quick to dish it out in heaps but then run for cover or put a spin on it when they are proven wrong. They must be kin to 'The Fonzie'.

 

[big dog cowboy]

But Bern has only been a starter for the last two seasons and he started out on the wrong foot with regard to injuries.

This year, after he replaced Waters, he was in the best shape in his short Cowboy career.

Wholeheartedly agree but still want a young OG prospect next April.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Wholeheartedly agree but still want a young OG prospect next April.

So do I... Depth is needed.

 

[jobberone]

Wholeheartedly agree but still want a young OG prospect next April.

So do I... Depth is needed.

I'd say add a tackle to that order but we need to balance our diet.

 

[SportsGuru80]

He has played fairly well...