Crossing routes, screens, and motion the key

[Starstruck22]

nah...i just think countries throw nukes at the end instead of at the beginning.

nukes in this football convo are "secrets" or plays we want to use when it matters instead of showing them too early when it doesnt matter.

but call me crazy. by all means. its reasonable.

im not saying I think Dallas is a better than anyone...im simply saying i think teams hold stuff back for playoffs and you cant really know how successful or unsuccessful those plays could change a game in a league with a lot of parody.

but tell me im unreasonable, dont make sense.

All conjecture and nonsense. 49ers and eagles beat dallas because they are not withholding secret plays. Genius!

 

[Coogiguy03]

Notice how many big plays were made by cooks due to the crossing routes. Huge! San Fran always has huge chunk plays with receivers in crossing routes. With speed and crossing the defender is almost always in a tailing position. What we also need is to get speed guys like Turpin, Pollard, Cooks, and even Vaughn in the flats and screens. Dallas is probably the worst team I have ever seen running screens. Both of these are creating huge chunk plays and could be the missing link in becoming an unstoppable offense.

Took us how many games to realize??

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

No linebacker is going to cover a Turpin or cooks on a crossing route.

They don't have to. They just sit in a zone at depth and it takes way too long for the WR to clear.

We literally saw it on the deep ball to Cooks where Dak had to scramble and missed the throw just out of bounds.

 

[glimmerman]

If anyone is to blame it's on Mike and the OC. They are the one's calling the plays not Dak.

However, this is typical Cowboys style management. They only react when their is a disaster or a major loss. If they treat every week like they have lost the game they will play with more intensity and the coaches will start to do a better job.

You’re leaving out a 3rd person. That’s JJ. He is paying Pollard starter money. And he is wanting Pollard starting. We have seen for years if we run a hammer in the middle early then Pollard goes off later in the game. But they are forcing Pollard in the middle early and it’s causing early 3rd down and longer plays. Just use Dowdle who gives a bigger punch in the middle early and we can get an extra couple yards on those early runs. But we all know how JJ interferes.

 

[Starstruck22]

They don't have to. They just sit in a zone at depth and it takes way too long for the WR to clear.

We literally saw it on the deep ball to Cooks where Dak had to scramble and missed the throw just out of bounds.

Good why dont we just sit in zones at depth against San Fran???? Does not pass the giggle test.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Good why dont we just sit in zones at depth against San Fran???? Does not pass the giggle test.

Because Dan Quinn is stupid and the 49ers have multiple YAC threats.

 

[Starstruck22]

Because Dan Quinn is stupid and the 49ers have multiple YAC threats.

So you are smarter than Quinn? Probably the best defensive coordinator in the league. And he does not see just put linebackers deeper and takes away every crossing route which usually are the key to SF success? Please. Occam’s razor. The simplest explanation is often the most true. It’s a clear stretch to believe Quinn is stupid or dumber than you. The reality is that we dont run crossing routes and the simplest explanation is the stupidly of McCarthy until last Sunday. And if were true that SF linebackers sit deeper the slant and button hook to TC or other open on every play.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So you are smarter than Quinn? Probably the best defensive coordinator in the league. And he does not see just put linebackers deeper and takes away every crossing route which usually are the key to SF success? Please. Occam’s razor. The simplest explanation is often the most true. It’s a clear stretch to believe Quinn is stupid or dumber than you. The reality is that we dont run crossing routes and the simplest explanation is the stupidly of McCarthy until last Sunday. And if were true that SF linebackers sit deeper the slant and button hook to TC or other open on every play.

Any defense that depends on man coverage is stupid in the modern NFL. It's basically just "line up and win." It's why they can't generate turnovers against good teams. Quinn has unbelievable talent along the DL or they'd get shredded every week. They also have an organizational philosophy of trying to play aggressive on defense that does not work against teams that can consistently exploit matchups when they get them - see George Kittle.

The Cowboys run crossers all the time and have for years. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Starstruck22]

Any defense that depends on man coverage is stupid in the modern NFL. It's basically just "line up and win." It's why they can't generate turnovers against good teams. Quinn has unbelievable talent along the DL or they'd get shredded every week. They also have an organizational philosophy of trying to play aggressive on defense that does not work against teams that can consistently exploit matchups when they get them - see George Kittle.

The Cowboys run crossers all the time and have for years. You don't know what you're talking about.

Okay so Quinn is too stupid to know any of this? So change change from zone to man and we win against SF and Philly? OMG. And I have not seen the successful crossing routes like I saw on Sunday to Cooks. Has not bee done or sporadically. Infrequent to Cooks, Turpin, and Lamb. Period! And screens? and Motion? Yesterday with say the motion, we saw the crossing and walla! Success. Now more pollard, Turpin, vaughn on screens.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Okay so Quinn is too stupid to know any of this? So change change from zone to man and we win against SF and Philly? OMG. And I have not seen the successful crossing routes like I saw on Sunday to Cooks. Has not bee done or sporadically. Infrequent to Cooks, Turpin, and Lamb. Period! And screens? and Motion? Yesterday with say the motion, we saw the crossing and walla! Success. Now more pollard, Turpin, vaughn on screens.

Guess so.

The successful crossers haven't been there becuase they take a long time to develop and they really only work against man.

You don't know what you're watching.

 

[Starstruck22]

Guess so.

The successful crossers haven't been there becuase they take a long time to develop and they really only work against man.

You don't know what you're watching.

So batman, riddle me this. Knowing that they only work against man, and we know this, because you are not a genius, and we could beat these routes against SF and choose not too? WHAT???? This does not pass the giggle test. This is about as perspicacious as the poster suggesting we are losing games because we dont want to show our secrets. lmao!

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So batman, riddle me this. Knowing that they only work against man, and we know this, because you are not a genius, and we could beat these routes against SF and choose not too? WHAT???? This does not pass the giggle test.

What are you talking about? This doesn't make any sense.

The 49ers play predominantly zone.

 

[erod]

Notice how many big plays were made by cooks due to the crossing routes. Huge! San Fran always has huge chunk plays with receivers in crossing routes. With speed and crossing the defender is almost always in a tailing position. What we also need is to get speed guys like Turpin, Pollard, Cooks, and even Vaughn in the flats and screens. Dallas is probably the worst team I have ever seen running screens. Both of these are creating huge chunk plays and could be the missing link in becoming an unstoppable offense.

Fine, but that was a D-2 team from the East Coast conference we played yesterday.

This is the worst I've seen the Giants look since the 70s.

 

[Starstruck22]

What are you talking about? This doesn't make any sense.

The 49ers play predominantly zone.

You missed the point. If the way to defeat crossing routes that SF is so successful at is to play zone, why the hell are we playing man? Makes no sense.

 

[Starstruck22]

Fine, but that was a D-2 team from the East Coast conference we played yesterday.

This is the worst I've seen the Giants look since the 70s.

Granted gmen are horrible but we cant do any of this against other teams? I saw cooks on fire running crossing routes.

 

[shabazz]

It really pisses me off it took 10 weeks to realize how good Cooks still is. Just utilize his speed is all I ask.

I question their talent evaluation at times....Noah Brown balling is no fluke

 

[Starstruck22]

I question their talent evaluation at times....Noah Brown balling is no fluke

Noah Brown was here for what four years and never showed anything except multiple drops in critical situations. How long are we supposed to wait? I would have got ridden of him in year 2.

 

[thunderpimp91]

You missed the point. If the way to defeat crossing routes that SF is so successful at is to play zone, why the hell are we playing man? Makes no sense.

That's way oversimplifying things. It depends on your personnel, and if you can keep teams out of the short yardage situations which open up the whole offensive playbook. We didn't do that very well at all against SF, and really not well against Philly until later in the game. The key with man coverage and why DQ plays it so much is it becomes a numbers advantage and now your safeties are free. They can give support in coverage over the top, they can play close to the LOS to help against the run, provide support to your backers in coverage, free you up to spy a mobile qb, etc. This is what DQ has had so much success with the last few years, and has been a major x factor in confusing offenses. A team like SF though plays a heavy percentage of plays in zone, but they also have four guys along the LOS who can both stop the run and rush the passer so they don't care about the numbers game as much. The Cowboys have one obvious flaw in doing that....and that's the fact that most of their guys along the front seven are one dimensional players. That doesn't mean they are bad players by any stretch, but Hankins gives you nothing in the pass game. Parsons can be a liability against the run, Evans is a pure run plugger at LB, LVE if he comes back is a stronger coverage backer than run defender, and you can go down the list but those are the most obvious examples. The Cowboys style works great if they can force negative plays and keep offenses predictable so they can get the right players on the field at the right times. If they just sit back in cover 2/3/4 looks all game they need their best pass rushers on the field as frequently as possible which has the makings of a Arizona game all over again. This is one reason why they reached for Mazi Smith IMO. If he can develop into a true dual threat player on the interior it gives the Cowboys even more flexibility on the style of defense they can run....that's starting to get a little off topic though.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You missed the point. If the way to defeat crossing routes that SF is so successful at is to play zone, why the hell are we playing man? Makes no sense.

Which is why I said Quinn is dumb...

 

[Starstruck22]

That's way oversimplifying things. It depends on your personnel, and if you can keep teams out of the short yardage situations which open up the whole offensive playbook. We didn't do that very well at all against SF, and really not well against Philly until later in the game. The key with man coverage and why DQ plays it so much is it becomes a numbers advantage and now your safeties are free. They can give support in coverage over the top, they can play close to the LOS to help against the run, provide support to your backers in coverage, free you up to spy a mobile qb, etc. This is what DQ has had so much success with the last few years, and has been a major x factor in confusing offenses. A team like SF though plays a heavy percentage of plays in zone, but they also have four guys along the LOS who can both stop the run and rush the passer so they don't care about the numbers game as much. The Cowboys have one obvious flaw in doing that....and that's the fact that most of their guys along the front seven are one dimensional players. That doesn't mean they are bad players by any stretch, but Hankins gives you nothing in the pass game. Parsons can be a liability against the run, Evans is a pure run plugger at LB, LVE if he comes back is a stronger coverage backer than run defender, and you can go down the list but those are the most obvious examples. The Cowboys style works great if they can force negative plays and keep offenses predictable so they can get the right players on the field at the right times. If they just sit back in cover 2/3/4 looks all game they need their best pass rushers on the field as frequently as possible which has the makings of a Arizona game all over again. This is one reason why they reached for Mazi Smith IMO. If he can develop into a true dual threat player on the interior it gives the Cowboys even more flexibility on the style of defense they can run....that's starting to get a little off topic though.

Well this was in response to the genius who said that Quinn is stupid and we cant handle SF receivers without playing zone. If that was the case I would imagine it would change. The definition of insanity continue to do the same thing and expecting different results.