Current MVP odds

[InPhiltraitor]

In one respect, it's kind of like figure skating when the judges have their favorites before the start of the event and they'll score fairly high regardless.

I do want to point out that I don't watch figure skating - not that there's anything wrong with watching figure skating.

Kind of surprised there isn't more Dak buzz with his recent performances and him also leading the league in completion %, while being top 5 in TD's, QB Rating, yards gained per attempt, and top 10 in a host of other positive statistics. Hmm...guess it's only fun to point out a Cowboy when it's accompanied with negative news.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Dak is outplaying Hurts

Hurts started off rough....but has been balling out last few weeks as a pure pocket passer. They were pretty even in their head to head matchup....both were pretty mistake free, and both made enough great plays for their team to win.

Hurts has wins over Dallas and Miami though.

Dak hasn't beaten a team with a winning record who had their starting QB in play in 12 months.

He's very good at clubbing the bad teams though. You can amass a lot of wins as a bottom feeder!

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

In one respect, it's kind of like figure skating when the judges have their favorites before the start of the event and they'll score fairly high regardless.

I do want to point out that I don't watch figure skating - not that there's anything wrong with watching figure skating.

Kind of surprised there isn't more Dak buzz with his recent performances and him also leading the league in completion %, while being top 5 in TD's, QB Rating, yards gained per attempt, and top 10 in a host of other positive statistics. Hmm...guess it's only fun to point out a Cowboy when it'

s accompanied with negative news.

Dak needs to perform against a good team where the team wins.

He actually played really well against Philly, but they lost. He did NOT play well against San Fran.

So...part on him...and part on the rest of the team sealing the deal against actual good teams and not just beating up on the weak teams

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Mahomes and Hurts neck and neck

Mahomes +275, Hurts 300

Lamar Jackson and Tua at 600

Then a big drop

Josh 1400
Joe B 1800

CJ Stroud!!! 2000. (If he keeps it up NEXT year, he'll join the superstar QB club. Poor poor Carolina.

Then another huge drop to the fringe candidates

RUNNING BACK Christian McCaffrey is 8th

Then QB Brock Purdy

And hey! OUR BOY DAK JUST SLIPPED IN AT 10TH!!!!! last year he probably didn't crack the top 50 so good for him for simplifying things, knowing himself and playing within his abilities.... makes all the difference obviously

Hurts? Why? Put anybody else in there and you get exact same results

 

[InPhiltraitor]

Dak needs to perform against a good team.

I hear ya, but are we being too judgemental of what a good team is? Every week this year you're seeing 'Jets beating the Eagles' types of games. The Jets aren't any good, are they? What business did they have beating the best team in the league (per Power Rankings, anyway). I mean, the Cowboys beat them by 20, so they must not be any good.

Dallas has completed over half of the season. Pretty good body of work to use as a measuring stick, isn't it? Yes, he was part of the collective Levi Stadium Massacre but didn't he put up 374 yards with 3TD's and no picks against the Birds? Do those numbers translate to an NFL MVP contender? Besides, of the "good teams" on the schedule, how many have juggernaut defensive units? Really, are we afraid of the Fighting Dan Campbell's, the Dade 305's, or the Turnover Bills?
I lost a potentially lucrative parlay this weekend due to the Texans beating the Bengals so I'm putting less and less stock in the "good team" theory. All these guys are wearing jerseys with the NFL insignia stitched on it.

Hell, I don't even know why I'm defending the guy. At the start of the year I wasn't sold on him being a long term solution but the low hanging fruit of "he needs to play better against good teams" is being picked way too often. No disrespect to your comment meant as I completely understand where you're coming from but can we at least, for the present time being only, give the man his due?

 

[JW82]

Mahomes and Hurts neck and neck

Mahomes +275, Hurts 300

Lamar Jackson and Tua at 600

Then a big drop

Josh 1400
Joe B 1800

CJ Stroud!!! 2000. (If he keeps it up NEXT year, he'll join the superstar QB club. Poor poor Carolina.

Then another huge drop to the fringe candidates

RUNNING BACK Christian McCaffrey is 8th

Then QB Brock Purdy

And hey! OUR BOY DAK JUST SLIPPED IN AT 10TH!!!!! last year he probably didn't crack the top 50 so good for him for simplifying things, knowing himself and playing within his abilities.... makes all the difference obviously

I bet him before the season at 25-1. $25. Pays $625.

 

[Tabascocat]

It’s worth a small bet($100) on Stroud. If he continues to improve and gets Houston into the playoffs….that will garner some attention. That is an overnight turnaround with Ryans and Stroud compared to last season.

 

[Motorola]

How in the hell is Josh Allen ANYWHERE in this conversation?

Because it’s a betting line

BTW - Bills just fired their OC.

 

[bigdnlaca]

Don’t know why ESPN is pushing Stroud, they aren’t giving a rookie an mvp with a .500 record. Hell Dak lead his team to a #1 seed and he didn’t get it by a mile

Well last year, they were one of the worst teams.

They probably believe that if Houston can run and win the division, CJ Stroud was the majority of the reason. You plug in any rookie or a veteran QB and they probably wouldn’t win more than 2 games at this point.

 

[KJJ]

Mahomes and Hurts neck and neck

Mahomes +275, Hurts 300

Lamar Jackson and Tua at 600

Then a big drop

Josh 1400
Joe B 1800

CJ Stroud!!! 2000. (If he keeps it up NEXT year, he'll join the superstar QB club. Poor poor Carolina.

Then another huge drop to the fringe candidates

RUNNING BACK Christian McCaffrey is 8th

Then QB Brock Purdy

And hey! OUR BOY DAK JUST SLIPPED IN AT 10TH!!!!! last year he probably didn't crack the top 50 so good for him for simplifying things, knowing himself and playing within his abilities.... makes all the difference obviously

Don’t see how Josh Allen could be in the conversation. He’s become a turnover machine.

 

[Motorola]

Only 1 non QB on the list.

As great as AJ is....I think the Eagles would still be good without AJ, whereas I think SF would come to a grinding haul w/o McCaffrey (their team was visibly transformed during the season when they acquired him last year, with a clear cut before/after.

Either way...MVP is basically a QB Award these days.

Just like the Heisman Trophy in college.
In the 21st century, 19 of the 23 winners to date have been QBs.
The other four...3 RBs and 1 WR.

 

[Jake]

I guess it comes down to how "valuable" is defined. The Cowboys have shown the last 2 years that they can win games without Dak. Take CJ Stroud off the Texans and they'd be 1-8 instead of 5-4. That's not a knock against Dak, but the Cowboys have a far better supporting cast than the Texans.

This will end up being what it is almost every year - QB of a top 2 seed. The people who vote for these things don't dig very deep.

 

[Cowboyny]

Well last year, they were one of the worst teams.

They probably believe that if Houston can run and win the division, CJ Stroud was the majority of the reason. You plug in any rookie or a veteran QB and they probably wouldn’t win more than 2 games at this point.

Not taking away what he has accomplished as a rookie for a team that has been bad, but close to a .500 record isn’t winning you the reward.

 

[bigdnlaca]

Not taking away what he has accomplished as a rookie for a team that has been bad, but close to a .500 record isn’t winning you the reward.

Didn’t say it wasn’t. However, as I stated, Stroud might be in conversation because they believe that Houston can potentially win the division if they can run the table. I think that division is winnable at 10 or 11 wins.

If that happens, he has to be the MVP or at the very least a finalist.

 

[Boysdaboys]

The last non QB to win MVP was Adrian Peterson in 2012. Before that, Tomlinson in 2005.

Let's be honest though, this award is basically a QB stats award. If it was truly most valuable, and Houston makes the postseason, how does Stroud not get it?

 

[Boysdaboys]

Not taking away what he has accomplished as a rookie for a team that has been bad, but close to a .500 record isn’t winning you the reward.

If Houston makes the postseason, they will be over .500. In that case, I don't see how he does not get it.

I know there is NFL offensive player of the year. However, maybe have a QB MVP award. And, a non QB MVP award.

 

[Boysdaboys]

He obviously is way down the list.....but he is fun to watch.

I never dreamed he would play so well.

Will be curious to see how he fares in the all-important Year 2 after teams have "a book" on him.

Yeah will be interesting to see.

It's possible he also takes a step back. But, maybe they don't put everything on him. Then, he returns to greatness in year 3.

If I had to guess, I would say he won't be a flash in the pan. I have a feeling he will be a top tier QB for years to come.

In saying that, I think the opposite holds true for Bryce Young. I don't believe he is truly this bad. I think he will be better. But fair or not, he will always be compared to CJ.

 

[RonnieT24]

That's stupid.

Yes it is.. but that's the way the mediots protray it. No matter how many ridiculous catches Brown makes to bail Hurts out they KEEP handing the credit to Hurts. Meanwhile Dak is out there dropping feathery soft dimes from 40 yards away and it's "Can you believe what CeeDee Lamb is doing?"

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Don’t see how Josh Allen could be in the conversation. He’s become a turnover machine.

I guess they're banking on his talent....that he turns it on in 2nd half of season

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Hurts? Why? Put anybody else in there and you get exact same results

Just not true.

They were visibly much much different when Hurts was out last year, where the supporting cast was all the same.

I don't think he should be neck and neck with Mahomes .... but he's not some interchangeable part.

It's like saying Troy Aikman was nothing...coulda just used Brad Johnson again with that team