Current RB outlook

[xwalker]

I don't think you have any clue what you're typing or why you're typing it. If you did, you'd respond to my post and not my "approach." If you can't discuss the substance of one's opinion or statement, then question the person who made it and their motives. It's a common tactic for someone who has nothing.

I'll be interested to read your thoughts on how D coordinators are going to lose sleep trying to game plan and defend DMac, Randle and Dunbar since that's the premise that motivated you to be the board enforcer.

What is your point?

Murray had a good season and was a workhorse; however, he is not some all-world RB that can't be replaced. He's not Emmitt or Adrian Peterson.

The Cowboys have multiple RBs now that have talent, but have not proven themselves for one reason or another.

There indeed is no proof that they will be good enough; however, there is also no proof that that can't get the job done. Some of them (McFadden and Ryan Williams) were better RBs in college than Murray. Randle has done well with the opportunities that he has received. Dunbar has flashed ability in a situational role. McFadden is terrific in Pass Blocking and as a Receiver. Nobody has seen a healthy Ryan Williams behind a quality OLine.

The probability of Murray having another good season after being overused and considering his past injury history is not that good. I don't think the probability of him have a great season is much if any higher than the probability of the Cowboys finding a combination of RBs that can get the job done.

 

[Doomsday101]

We didn't know Murray could do the job and he still didn't last the whole year for all the tremendous things he accomplished. All the guys we have have speed and quickness. We still have the best run blocking line in the NFL and it likely will be even better this year with even more talent and another year's experience under their belt.

I even think that with Loney as the new running game coordinator they have a good chance to get better in pass protection and play action fakes and misdirects. Callahan seemed to do the passing game no favors.

As long as he stayed healthy yes I did knew what he was capable of. 2013 he played 14 of 16 games and produced and made the pro bowl. People keep saying 2014 was his only season? BS. My hope is these RB we have can do the job but losing a very big part of the offense and blowing it off now as no big deal you guys can tell yourself that all you want but when you break down all 4 RB the reality is 2 bust and 2 JAGS

 

[Dodger12]

What is your point?

Murray had a good season and was a workhorse; however, he is not some all-world RB that can't be replaced. He's not Emmitt or Adrian Peterson.

Everyone is replaceable the question is who do you replace them with. I've said repeatedly that I don't blame Jerry for not over paying for McFadden but going into this season with such a question mark at a position that was an integral part of our success last season is risky.

The Cowboys have multiple RBs now that have talent, but have not proven themselves for one reason or another.

There indeed is no proof that they will be good enough; however, there is also no proof that that can't get the job done.

Randle and Dunbar are role players, IMO. There's enough out there on McFadden that can make me question whether he can get it done. You want to excuse his past failures on everything other than him. The only reason people are pimping McFadden is because he signed with us (obviously). If he had signed with the Eagles to replace McCoy, folks would be laughing at Chip Kelly and signing a different tune.

Some of them (McFadden and Ryan Williams) were better RBs in college than Murray.

So what? I don't devalue the success someone had in the NFL where it matters. That's what we're talking about here.

The probability of Murray having another good season after being overused and considering his past injury history is not that good. I don't think the probability of him have a great season is much if any higher than the probability of the Cowboys finding a combination of RBs that can get the job done.

That's where we disagree. The probability of a successful RB having another successful season is higher than finding the right combination of RB's that can replace his production and be successful, especially when one of those RB's hasn't proven he could do it in 7 years in the NFL and his last 3 years have been abysmal. The probability of his continued decline is far more probable than Murray not having another good season.

 

[xwalker]

That's where we disagree. The probability of a successful RB having another successful season is higher than finding the right combination of RB's that can replace his production and be successful, especially when one of those RB's hasn't proven he could do it in 7 years in the NFL and his last 3 years have been abysmal. The probability of his continued decline is far more probable than Murray not having another good season.

No. historical statistics show that the probability is low for Murray. RBs with that type of workload rarely do well the following season according to the stats.

 

[Dodger12]

No. historical statistics show that the probability is low for Murray. RBs with that type of workload rarely do well the following season according to the stats.

I'm not questioning you but can you tell me where you got that? Well, I guess I am questioning you but I'm interested in the stats.

 

[xwalker]

I'm not questioning you but can you tell me where you got that? Well, I guess I am questioning you but I'm interested in the stats.

People have posted it here several times. It was often discussed before Murray departed.

RBs with a really high number of carries rarely had good follow up seasons and only a few ever had significantly good seasons again. The number of carries considered was something like 370 but it might have been 350. I don't recall the specifics.

I could search around to find it, but it might be easier to just start a new thread asking for the people that originally posted it to post it again.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

On the other hand Jerra is saving a lot of money by letting Murray leaf.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I heard that jetpacks will soon be available so anything is possible, even Randle halfing a 500-yard season and McFading halfing a 300-yard season and that would add up to . . . well to a lot of yards i can assure you.

 

[KJJ]

Hate to keep beating a dead horse but rarely have I ever come on this board during draft day pleading for the Cowboys to draft a particular player like I did Eddie Lacy in the 2nd round of the 2013 draft. With Murray coming off another injury plagued season most of us figured the Cowboys would let him walk after that season certainly not for the reasons we ended up letting him walk. Lacy was a great value who lasted 13 picks after Escobar and the Cowboys made a terrible decision going with a TE who I said on draft day won't produce anymore than the previous 2 TE's the Cowboys wasted #2 picks on. Nothing against Escobar he may end up being a terrific player for a team that needs a TE but even while Murray was here Lacy would have gotten plenty of opportunities.

Obviously had we chose Lacy the Cowboys wouldn't have the dilemma they do now. If it were me I would have tried trading Escobar for an RB. As long as Witten and Beasley are here Escobar isn't going to receive many opportunities. The emergence of Beasley makes him expendable in my opinion. Marty B doesn't seem very happy with the Bears skipping some of their offseason work. Escobar and a late round pick for Matt Forte would sound pretty good to me. It's not going to happen but I would definitely make that trade if it was possible.