Current starting QB's

[Hadenough]

Of all the starting QB's which ones could have succeeded under the non leadership of Garrett, and high school simple scheme and game planning of Linehan .

Lets put it this way!
The Cowboys would instantly be a better team if they had one of these QBs.
Rothlisberger
Mahomes
Brees,
Brady,
Rivers
Ryan
Luck
Wentz
Wilson
Mayfield
Newton
Cousins

Then you have a group of QBs that are not as good as the above guys yet but would be an upgrade to the current cowboys team.
Goff
Watson
Trubisky
Darnold
Winston
Garrapolo


Then you have a group of QBs that are capable of having equal or greater success to Dak.
Case Keenum
Alex Smith
Ryan Tannehill
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Andy Dalton
Joe Flacco
Marcus Mariotta
Tyrod Taylor
Nick Mullins
Chase Daniel
Colt McCoy
Blake Bortles

 

[DanA]

That's the frustrating thing. Garrett and the staff have actually cooked up some very good gameplans on occasion (defensive scheme vs Saints this year was a great example), but in game, their play calls almost always go back to the same handful of plays that the league has mostly figured out, and they never adjust when things don't work.

At this point, you've pretty much got to get a new offense because the Garrett scheme's come up short for 8 years now, but I wonder with Linehan gone and Marinelli probably on the way out very soon, if we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater with some of that in-the-week planning.

I just think fundamentally that's the wrong personality type for success from a head coach at the highest level. You want your position coaches to be guys that hold discipline, that grind and create incremental improvement, but the head coach needs more nuance. If the culture is rotten, sure, then the Garrett's of this world make a great care-taker and can turn it around..... but if you're close and wanting to win....the only way IMO it works is if Garrett is neutered and Moore becomes the real head coach.

And I'm not even sure Moore is the guy I'm painting him to be. He might be terrible, we don't really have much to go on.

 

[Willfreedom909]

Add Rodgers to the lists of Brady and Brees.

I don't think a 2nd-year player can adapt well enough at the LOS to run an offense without the help if his OC. And for a systems QB, Brady's teams sure have flourish using a lot of different stuff.

Mahomes runs the most complex offense in the league.

IQ wise maybe only Peyton Manning is better and that’s because he was 38.

Packers are playing low iq backyard football compared to the chiefs offense

 

[cowboy_ron]

Romo did well

Romo ignored them for the most part.

 

[Diehardblues]

Of all the starting QB's which ones could have succeeded under the non leadership of Garrett, and high school simple scheme and game planning of Linehan .

Romo

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo ignored them for the most part.

Romo flourished in Garretts offense.

 

[DFWJC]

Romo did well

Yep, the offensive production was never the issue.
But the argument there is that it could have to do with the QB presnap adjustments and audibles. That's more play calling than play design though.

But yes, early in his career, so 2007 (more than a decade ago) the offense was affective and he wasnt savvy enough yetto change things. But have NFL changed since then? Some have, no doubt.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's the frustrating thing. Garrett and the staff have actually cooked up some very good gameplans on occasion (defensive scheme vs Saints this year was a great example), but in game, their play calls almost always go back to the same handful of plays that the league has mostly figured out, and they never adjust when things don't work.

At this point, you've pretty much got to get a new offense because the Garrett scheme's come up short for 8 years now, but I wonder with Linehan gone and Marinelli probably on the way out very soon, if we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater with some of that in-the-week planning.

Right. We had a top 10 offense most years with Romo in Garretts offense.

And with a bottom tier passing QB , Garrett now is really challenged to develop schemes and plays to suit Daks skill sets.

As usual Garrett is under appreciated. You’d think in a mostly hopeless situation under Jerry in the most dysfunctional organization in the league fans would be more embracing with Garretts influences and contributions reshaping this team continuing to keep relevance through all of the distractions.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep, the offensive production was never the issue.
But the argument there is that it could have to do with the QB presnap adjustments and audibles. That's more play calling than play design though.

But yes, early in his career, so 2007 (more than a decade ago) the offense was affective and he wasnt savvy enough yetto change things. But have NFL changed since then? Some have, no doubt.

Romo no doubt contributed significantly to the success of the offense. But pre snap audibles is the norm for the league with an estimated 40-60% of all plays changed at the LOS.

I’d imagine Romo was probably near the top of those averages while Dak is probably near the bottom.

 

[DFWJC]

What bothers me about always blaming the coaches is that its a total cop out on holding players responsible.
I would say the coaches get blamed maybe 20 times more often now than they did with Tony.
Maybe its more apparent now and not just a crutch, but the difference is very extreme.

 

[Diehardblues]

What bothers me about always blaming the coaches is that its a total cop out on holding players responsible.
I would say the coaches get blamed maybe 20 times more often now than they did with Tony.
Maybe its more apparent now and not just a crutch, but the difference is very extreme.

Yea, those type of fans want to give Romo all the credit but now they’re blaming coaches for Dak. Red Flags!!

 

[DoctorChicken]

What’s your definition of succeed? We made the playoffs and won a game. Do you mean who could do better than Dak? Or win a Super Bowl?

 

[OmerV]

A QB with the nous to ignore Garrett/Linehan and change the play at the LOS. Maybe Brees and Brady, that's about it.

Kind of an odd argument considering Garrett gives QBs his permission to change plays at the line of scrimmage.

 

[HungryLion]

Lets put it this way!
The Cowboys would instantly be a better team if they had one of these QBs.
Rothlisberger
Mahomes
Brees,
Brady,
Rivers
Ryan
Luck
Wentz
Wilson
Mayfield
Newton
Cousins

Then you have a group of QBs that are not as good as the above guys yet but would be an upgrade to the current cowboys team.
Goff
Watson
Trubisky
Darnold
Winston
Garrapolo


Then you have a group of QBs that are capable of having equal or greater success to Dak.
Case Keenum
Alex Smith
Ryan Tannehill
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Andy Dalton
Joe Flacco
Marcus Mariotta
Tyrod Taylor
Nick Mullins
Chase Daniel
Colt McCoy
Blake Bortles

Is this list serious?

I mean are you seriously saying the team would be just as good with Colt McCoy, Chase Daniel, Nick Mullins, Blake Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Tannehill? Keenum?


It’s hard to take anything else you say seriously when you post garbage like that.

 

[DFWJC]

Before last season, I said that I expected (hoped) that Dak would spilt the difference between his year 1 and year 2 efficiency ratings.
he did that.

I realize that week the 17 scrimmage padded the Stats a lot (4 TDs and 400 yards) but on paper, he was still in the middle of the pack overall this year after 3 full seasons.

We want more, but thats not atrocious by any means. Some here are being too hard on the guy.

The big question for me is that he might be closer to his max potential or ceiling.

 

[xwalker]

Of all the starting QB's which ones could have succeeded under the non leadership of Garrett, and high school simple scheme and game planning of Linehan .

Romo and Dak have done about as well as possible in their situations with Garrett/Linehan.

If Brady had started as a rookie with Garrett as HC and Garrett or Linehan as OC , he might not have even achieved as much as Romo or Dak have achieved.

 

[Hadenough]

Is this list serious?

I mean are you seriously saying the team would be just as good with Colt McCoy, Chase Daniel, Nick Mullins, Blake Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Tannehill? Keenum?


It’s hard to take anything else you say seriously when you post garbage like that.

As much as you don't want to believe it Dak is a product of the team. Even the terrible year Case Keenum had and his stats were very similiar to Daks. And Keenums team is looking to upgrade. Did you watch Mullins play? Dak is better than Taylor but Taylor throws a better deep ball. Chase Daniels did you watch how well he played in his few starts.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Romo and Dak have done about as well as possible in their situations with Garrett/Linehan.

If Brady had started as a rookie with Garrett as HC and Garrett or Linehan as OC , he might not have even achieved as much as Romo or Dak have achieved.

I could not agree more.

 

[HungryLion]

As much as you don't want to believe it Dak is a product of the team. Even the terrible year Case Keenum had and his stats were very similiar to Daks. And Keenums team is looking to upgrade. Did you watch Mullins play? Dak is better than Taylor but Taylor throws a better deep ball. Chase Daniels did you watch how well he played in his few starts.

Man you don’t know what you’re watching.

 

[DanA]

Kind of an odd argument considering Garrett gives QBs his permission to change plays at the line of scrimmage.

It’s an old argument for a reason. And it’s not enough to have permission to change plays, you also have to be good at it because the play you’ve been handed is too often exactly what the opposition is expecting.