cutting T.O. wont make us a better team

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

i actually see some people are being stupid and comparing this to the tiki barber situation with the giants. saying we to can have addition by subtraction.

when the the 2 are completely different. the giants have more then proven with their o-line and blocking schemes anyone can run efffectively and for 1000 plus yards behind their line. so tiki's effectiveness and presence was easily replaced and over valued at the time of his retirement.

shockey as well was sparingly used and was not even an integral part of their passing game since his rookie year. his production was not that of a top tier TE.

the giants and many of their fans then foolishly thought after the plaxico situation they could rely on the same philosophy and cut plaxico after the season

fortunately for giants fans they got to see 1st hand how their offense looked without plaxico. defenses were able to now key in on their dominate run game and play them closer to the line without fear of a player of plax caliber beating them deep.

i live in newyork and the media went on daily and weekly rant of

"the giants dont need plaxico!!!

'' the new cancer must be cut!!!

fast forward a few weeks later and a playoff loss to philly those rants changed to

should the giants bring plax back?

he deserves another shot!!! (no pun intended)

after they got to witness 1st hand the effects of losing their star wide out.

now their gm and everyone is welcoming him back with open arms if he is cleared of all legal charges.

unlike the giants we dont get to evaluate the aftermath of not having owens until the start of next year. unlike them there is no turning back on our decision, the damage has been done.

will we be a better team next yr of fall flat on our face? who knows. but i doubt cutting our star wr and one of the better ones in the league helps.

if we play better next yr it wont be because of 1 single player being cut, it will be simply because this team had no buisness winning 9 gms last yr and underachieved. people forget we went 13-3 with T,O NOT LONG AGO. it wasnt his fault we lost to the giants. if we are truly a better team it will be cause guys stepped up and did their jobs. garrett finally improved and learned to adjust while also staying committed to the run game and not abandonning it

wade manned a dominate defense for all not part of the season while finding a stud at safety. these will be the reasons we will be better next yr. NOT because T.O. is no longer around

i was and still am a fan of owens but i am a cowboy fan first. so despite my belief this was a terrible move i can only support this team heading into next yr and hope those things stated occur and can only nullify what went on with T.O and his departure. COWBOYS IN 09

 

[Velvet Jones]

I don't see how Plax and Tiki are the same. One is a RB which can be replaced more easily and the other is a WR which is tougher to replace. And more imortant, one was in the offseason and one was in the middle of the season. A lot easier to prepare when you know before hand.

No one can say what the problem but there was a problem. It is stupid to fix all "perceived" problems at once because you just tend to make things worse. You need to remove one at a time. And face it.. TO wasn't helping us over the hump anyway so what does his removal really do. It doesn't matter if it was because of the coach with TO or because of the QB with TO or because of the TE with TO. The one common denominator is TO. So you either changed the team for a 35 year old declining star or you change out the star.

 

[Velvet Jones]

if we play better next yr it wont be because of 1 single player being cut, it will be simply because this team had no buisness winning 9 gms last yr and underachieved. people forget we went 13-3 with T,O NOT LONG AGO. it wasnt his fault we lost to the giants. if we are truly a better team it will be cause guys stepped up and did their jobs. garrett finally improved and learned to adjust while also staying committed to the run game and not abandonning it

Great to see you already are planning your escape clause. So cutting TO was a mistake if we fail and it was a mistake if we succeed. Got it.

 

[Hoofbite]

Seriously, how much worse can it get? 7-9? 8-8?

If all Dallas is going to do with TO is miss the playoffs or get bounced 1st round, the team really isn't losing that much.

Simply cutting TO does not make the team any more talented, better, united or whatever.

But at the same time the team really isn't that much worse off.

 

[Established1971]

i actually see some people are being stupid and comparing this to the tiki barber situation with the giants. saying we to can have addition by subtraction.

Hey bud before you call your fellow Cowboy fans and posters stupid learn the difference between the words "to" and "too"

 

[Ren]

Wade and Garrett needs to go until then it doesn't matter who we bring inn or who we cut

 

[SDogo]

Did I not already read one of these threads this morning?

 

[Hoofbite]

Wade and Garrett needs to go until then it doesn't matter who we bring inn or who we cut

Ill give each another. I called for Garretts head many a time but if he can somehow get the team closer to 2007 than 2008, I'll stick foot in mouth.

Wade gets it based on how he got the D to roll for the second half of the season. If The defense plays as good as they did, Garrett won't have much to worry about.

 

[DallasEast]

i was and still am a fan of owens but i am a cowboy fan first.

........

 

[alancdc]

I think the comparison would be closer to Shockey than Tiki. A loudmouth overbearing personality yappin' for the ball on every play.

 

[Hostile]

Great to see you already are planning your escape clause. So cutting TO was a mistake if we fail and it was a mistake if we succeed. Got it.

My reaction too. If we were to win the Super Bowl the response would be, yeah but with TO we could have won it more.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't see a superbowl in the future just mediocrity.

I don't think we're a better team with this move.

I don't think it can be compared to the Tiki situation because Tiki was at best an average RB before Tom Coughlin came and fixed his fumbling problem. His best years were under Coughlin so I think it was more the system looking back onto. Then it seemed like a set back however, if you look at it now it's OBV that he was just a product of Coughlins system.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't blame TO for any games loss but the bottom line is the team evidently felt he was too much to handle it is not the 1st time I wish people would stop acting like this has not happened to TO before it has. It is not like teams are knocking down his door right now to sign him that should tell you something, coaches around the league when asked don't sound like they are excited about the prospect of getting him. The man has talent no doubt but many teams still say no when WR Mason from the Ravens was asked if wanted TO in Balt he laughed and said no way. I agree the media has played a role but TO has also built his reputation. I hope the best for him but Dallas now needs to move on there is no more Roy Williams, No Tank Johnson, No Pacman Jones and no TO and hopefuly no more non-sense and distractions

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't blame TO for any games loss but the bottom line is the team evidently felt he was too much to handle it is not the 1st time I wish people would stop acting like this has not happened to TO before it has. It is not like teams are knocking down his door right now to sign him that should tell you something, coaches around the league when asked don't sound like they are excited about the prospect of getting him. The man has talent no doubt but many teams still say no when WR Mason from the Ravens was asked if wanted TO in Balt he laughed and said no way. I agree the media has played a role but TO has also built his reputation. I hope the best for him but Dallas now needs to move on there is no more Roy Williams, No Tank Johnson, No Pacman Jones and no TO and hopefuly no more non-sense and distractions

The cowboys front office is a bunch of non-sense and their decision making is ridiculous.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

i actually see some people are being stupid and comparing this to the tiki barber situation with the giants. saying we to can have addition by subtraction.

when the the 2 are completely different. the giants have more then proven with their o-line and blocking schemes anyone can run efffectively and for 1000 plus yards behind their line. so tiki's effectiveness and presence was easily replaced and over valued at the time of his retirement.


I'd have to totally disagree with you here because until the season after he left their O-Line was one of the more up and down O-Lines in the entire league. They were not thought of as one of the better ones while he was there. And Tiki being off the team was never about whether he could play or not, he could, it was about the fact that he was one of the voices in the locker room that didn't care for Eli, and he made that more clear by opening his mouth over the summer after he was gone and inserting his foot when they won it without him.


shockey as well was sparingly used and was not even an integral part of their passing game since his rookie year. his production was not that of a top tier TE.

Again I couldn't help but disagree. Shockey was wildly considered, even admited by Eli, as Eli's first target. He'd look for him first and when things were going bad he'd almost always try and force things to him. One of the main reasons was because Shockey was always out there complaining about needing the ball more.

Again the moment he went down that offense actually clicked BETTER and ran more effectively with a guy like Boss (Which did surprise me as well) than it did with the better recieving threat in Shockey.



the giants and many of their fans then foolishly thought after the plaxico situation they could rely on the same philosophy and cut plaxico after the season

fortunately for giants fans they got to see 1st hand how their offense looked without plaxico. defenses were able to now key in on their dominate run game and play them closer to the line without fear of a player of plax caliber beating them deep.

Little different. They have Plax and a bunch of guys who are good role WR's. Dallas has Roy Williams who was brought here to be a number 1 at some point, has been a number one before, and Crayton who has proven in the past that he can at least be a solid #2 (By his 2007 season as the #2 when he had a pretty solid year for a #2 WR), and they've got up and coming talent in Austin. I don't think we have the same lack of talent at WR that the Giants do. Not to mention with Boss being a solid player, but not much of a scary recieving threat, we also have Witten and Bennett who are both excellent targets to throw to.


i live in newyork and the media went on daily and weekly rant of

"the giants dont need plaxico!!!

'' the new cancer must be cut!!!

fast forward a few weeks later and a playoff loss to philly those rants changed to

should the giants bring plax back?

he deserves another shot!!! (no pun intended)

after they got to witness 1st hand the effects of losing their star wide out.

now their gm and everyone is welcoming him back with open arms if he is cleared of all legal charges.

unlike the giants we dont get to evaluate the aftermath of not having owens until the start of next year. unlike them there is no turning back on our decision, the damage has been done.

will we be a better team next yr of fall flat on our face? who knows. but i doubt cutting our star wr and one of the better ones in the league helps.


Nothing wrong with a bit of doubt. It's not something anyone can know, for sure, one way or the other until the team gets together and gets on the field this season. I just know there are other teams who seem to be consistent without start WRs. Whose the star WR in Philly? What about San Diego? Baltimore? Those are just a few of the teams who did well last year, and are pretty consistently good teams in the last few years, and they don't have big time stars at WR. Pittsburgh had Hines Ward, whose a star cause of how hard he works, but I wouldn't say he's like a Randy Moss or TO or Reggie Wayne kind of star. Now everyone thinks they've got a star in Holmes cause of the Superbowl but they win for the most part there without big time star power at the WR position.


if we play better next yr it wont be because of 1 single player being cut, it will be simply because this team had no buisness winning 9 gms last yr and underachieved. people forget we went 13-3 with T,O NOT LONG AGO. it wasnt his fault we lost to the giants. if we are truly a better team it will be cause guys stepped up and did their jobs. garrett finally improved and learned to adjust while also staying committed to the run game and not abandonning it

Wade manned a dominate defense for all not part of the season while finding a stud at safety. these will be the reasons we will be better next yr. NOT because T.O. is no longer around

i was and still am a fan of owens but i am a cowboy fan first. so despite my belief this was a terrible move i can only support this team heading into next yr and hope those things stated occur and can only nullify what went on with T.O and his departure. COWBOYS IN 09

And of course the clause to try and remain right even when you're wrong. We WON'T be as good a team without TO, but in the event that we are it WON'T be cause we cut him. Typical.

Hey bud before you call your fellow Cowboy fans and posters stupid learn the difference between the words "to" and "too"

LOL. Nice.

 

[Doomsday101]

The cowboys front office is a bunch of non-sense and their decision making is ridiculous.

You are entitled to your opinion I don't agree. I think we have made mistakes I think we have taken chances I also think we have some very good talent on this team that can win. I do think Dallas looked at players with issues and cleaned house of them as in RW,Tank,Pacman and TO If others feel differently that's cool with me, I'm not here to perk you up or change your mind.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

You are entitled to your opinion I don't agree. I think we have made mistakes I think we have taken chances I also think we have some very good talent on this team that can win. I do think Dallas looked at players with issues and cleaned house of them as in RW,Tank,Pacman and TO If others feel differently that's cool with me, I'm not here to perk you up or change your mind.

But Greg Ellis is still here....how about we clean house of the people that don't perform ? But what ever.

 

[Doomsday101]

But Greg Ellis is still here....how about we clean house of the people that don't perform ? But what ever.

Ellis is here for now, There are a few months between now and training camp a lot of things can happen.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't know why people can't get it through their skulls that soon to be 36 year old TO was a short timer in Dallas any way you look at it. If we're as mediocre as the TO worshipers say, we weren't going to win a Superbowl next year anyway on the back of a soon to be 36 year old WR who has never led a team to a Superbowl, so it's better to just cut ties now and start rebuilding around our core players in their 20s. No need to drag it out for another 2 years and continue centering our "mediocre" team around an old player.

 

[zrinkill]

My reaction too. If we were to win the Super Bowl the response would be, yeah but with TO we could have won it more.