Czar Blog: Bears, Oak, Miami, Lions Rumors...Moss can be had for a 4th?

[Doomsday101]

i agree. but randy moss would have been so much better. back then anyways. i know in the long run dallas got the pick without the heachaches. but they could have had a few more superbowls.

i started to like the pick by the yr as ellis has become one of my favorite all time cowboys. for his leadership and him willing to do anything asked of him to help the team.

but i couldnt stop think about the what ifs.

i dont anymore with owens in dallas

Had Dallas players in the mid to late 90's were not showing up on police blotters Jones may have taken Moss but at that stage trying to clean up the image of the team did matter to Jones as well as many fans who were sick of seeing player after player getting busted. Moss reputation was a risk he was not willing to take.

 

[LatinMind]

I broke the remote control. I had a bunch of friends over for the Draft. I was seriously pissed. They still haven't stopped giving me grief about that day.

man i had a feeling something was going to happen and stayed alone. i did so much nonsense that day that it deserves not to be mentioned.

 

[joseephuss]

i agree. but randy moss would have been so much better. back then anyways. i know in the long run dallas got the pick without the heachaches. but they could have had a few more superbowls.

i started to like the pick by the yr as ellis has become one of my favorite all time cowboys. for his leadership and him willing to do anything asked of him to help the team.

but i couldnt stop think about the what ifs.

i dont anymore with owens in dallas

Moss dominated the Cowboys because he is of course very talented, but he also had the benefit of facing Dallas when they had to throw scrubs out there in the secondary. Kevin Smith was riddled with injuries by 1998 and Deion also missed games due to injuries. I think Dallas fielded a decent secondary once when they went up against Randy. If you can name the corner backs that played in the first matchup on Thanksgiving it would be impressive. Kevin Smith started, but wasn't 100% and later had to leave the game due to injury.

Moss would not have guaranteed Superbowls in Dallas. The Cowboys may have won more regular season and playoff games with Moss, but I don't think he would have been enough to push Dallas to a title.

Even if Moss were drafted by Jerry, that doesn't mean everything would have worked out fine. I think he would have trouble dealing with the pressure and scrutiny of being a Cowboy and living in Dallas as opposed to Minneapolis. Plus I don't think Chan Gailey would have been smart enough to get Moss the ball. He didn't do a good job of getting it to Irvin while HC for Dallas or Calvin Johnson while HC for Georgia Tech.

 

[Clove]

Not drafting Moss was an epic mistake at the time, image issues or not. Jerry said he's learned from that.

It's a new day, it's time to draft our own moss - His name is Calvin Johnson.

Hey, I can dream!!!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If a 4th rounder is really the price for Moss the Patriots should jump all over it. They got a 1st round pick for Deion Branch. Moss is more dangerous by far, and with Tom Brady as his QB they could be dangerous. You get a better WR and don't have to use one of your 1st round picks on a rookie WR unless you want to. They could go 3rd rounder and still come out way ahead in that swap.

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Exactly.... I see Moss ending up in NE just like Dillon.... Bill is smart... it would put them on top again...

 

[LatinMind]

Not drafting Moss was an epic mistake at the time, image issues or not. Jerry said he's learned from that.

It's a new day, it's time to draft our own moss - His name is Calvin Johnson.

Hey, I can dream!!!

yup but dont think about saying u'd give up two 1st rd picks.

 

[zeromaster]

:laugh2: I just hope Phillo and Prophet are not Moss fans ..... or we can expect 30 post a day about it .....

You got that right, "brother". :bang2:

 

[Concord]

Moss can be had for a 4th?

Lets offer a 1st for him so there's no bidding War...pay what we should have payed in 1998 and correct one of the greatest draft mistakes in Cowboys History!

 

[Hostile]

Moss can be had for a 4th?

Lets offer a 1st for him so there's no bidding War...pay what we should have payed in 1998 and correct one of the greatest draft mistakes in Cowboys History!

Let's don't and pretend we did.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Not drafting Moss was an epic mistake at the time, image issues or not. Jerry said he's learned from that.

It's a new day, it's time to draft our own moss - His name is Calvin Johnson.

Hey, I can dream!!!

Really I would love for us to trade all the way up for Calvin Johnson but it's not likely.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Randy has been very lazy and not much of a team player in Oakland because he knows that they are never going to be contenders, and the management there is a joke. He'll go to New England or Green Bay and go back to his good old days.

 

[LatinMind]

Randy has been very lazy and not much of a team player in Oakland because he knows that they are never going to be contenders, and the management there is a joke. He'll go to New England or Green Bay and go back to his good old days.

what is your excuse for his time in minnesota? if i remember they had a yr where the blew thru the season and lost in the playoffs and moss was nowhere to be found.

 

[CoCo]

People like to talk about if Jimmy had stayed we'd have won 3 more SB's and if Moss had been acquired we'd have won more as well. Not sure that stuff really holds water.

Moss would have been added to a 1998 team that was 10-6 & a 1999 team that was 8-8. After that, it was 3 straight years of 5-11. I'll bet Moss would have been real fun during those 3 years. Moss career in Dallas would've likely mirrored what its been in Minny & then Oakland and we'd have been the ones left holding the bag on his huge salary. No thanks.

All things considered, it was not a mistake to pass on Moss because the Randy Moss that puts his incredible talent to use on the field for 16 games only lasts for a couple years. After that you get the grumbler with a pathetic attitude. No thanks.

 

[CoCo]

Randy has been very lazy and not much of a team player in Oakland because he knows that they are never going to be contenders, and the management there is a joke. He'll go to New England or Green Bay and go back to his good old days.

Maybe your right. But I don't think so. I think he'll finish his career as a malcontent with minimal positive impact on the field.

 

[iceberg]

:laugh2: I just hope Phillo and Prophet are not Moss fans ..... or we can expect 30 post a day about it .....

if it will cause a fuss, they're fans of it. pretty simple.

 

[Concord]

I broke the remote control. I had a bunch of friends over for the Draft. I was seriously pissed. They still haven't stopped giving me grief about that day.

My wife still to this day says I'll never get over Moss in that Draft. And I won't. Especially after he wanted to be a Cowboy. And how he's beaten the Cowboys *** so many times since.

I was watching the draft with my Dad and Mom and Cousins at my Sisters house in FL HUNG OVER Major from the previous nights rehearsal dinner.

I was sweating bullets hoping that Moss would be there and had told everyone how much I wanted him and he wanted to be a Cowboy and then he was there...

After Ellis was picked...They just all looked at me...with this...He's going to lose it look.

I didn't...I lied and said hey the Cowboys really needed a pass rusher...

They saw through me but didn't say a thing...Except for my Wife...Who knew the truth.

 

[Clove]

yup but dont think about saying u'd give up two 1st rd picks.

I'd give up 1 1st round pick and swap 1st rounders with someone to move up, and trade a player or 2.

And for the last time, I never said I'd trade 2 1st rounders.

 

[Concord]

Let's don't and pretend we did.

I was Kidding.

 

[Randy White]

I said at the time that Jerry Jones had just set the franchise back 10 years. I was almost proven correct. It has taken the Cowboys nearly 10 seasons ( 1998 til 2006 ) to get back to a level of at least contenders and Moss was a direct and indirect reason for that.

Jerruh, as is his nature, went on overkill mode to try and make up for passing on him. He overpaid for Rocket Ismail the following season, which hurt the salary cap long after he was gone. He, then, goes on to make the biggest two mistakes that finally buried the franchise until recently:

Joey Galloway and James Mcknight.

Combined they cost the Cowboys two #1 picks, one 3rd round pick, one 5th round draft pick, and, at a minimum, 30 million dollars of bonuses and salaries ( both contracts were restructured, iirc ) against the cap. More than the cap hits, those two #1 picks hurt the Cowboys the most.

All because the Cowboys needed a big play WR and never found it until Terry Glenn and T.O. became Cowboys.

 

[BBQ101]

People like to talk about if Jimmy had stayed we'd have won 3 more SB's and if Moss had been acquired we'd have won more as well. Not sure that stuff really holds water.

Moss would have been added to a 1998 team that was 10-6 & a 1999 team that was 8-8. After that, it was 3 straight years of 5-11. I'll bet Moss would have been real fun during those 3 years. Moss career in Dallas would've likely mirrored what its been in Minny & then Oakland and we'd have been the ones left holding the bag on his huge salary. No thanks.

Its all hindsight now, but would Jerry have given the two #1 picks for that reciever (man I can't even say his name) if we had Moss?

Two #1 picks...good god is there anyone worth that? Especially a receiver? It's not like you can just hand him the ball...you got to actually hold it for a couple of seconds, throw it too him, and he has to catch it. Getting the ball to a receiver takes to many others to get it done.

There are only two types of players I would hand two first round picks for. A freaking STUD running back (LT ".") or a franchise quarterback. Notice, those players are never going to be had for two first round picks, because they will always get signed by their team. Even assuming you can get them, this is FOOTBALL...people get injured. Two first round picks! ARG!

Of all the things that Jerry has done, that takes the cake. Take a look at how the NFL is setting up with the salary cap. This year is a prime example. You have to build from within. Pay the players you build up to stay with the team, because FA is going to be filled with marginal players you will have to pay through the nose to get. This is going to be further magnified with the rule stating you have to use 85% of the cap in salary. Teams like the 49's are going to be FORCED to over pay simply to comply with that rule.

So, with the rising cap, fewer real talent players will make it to FA, and those marginal talent players that do, will be fought over tooth and nail by teams that are forced to spend. The draft is more important than ever. Thank god I am not a Commanders fan!

With the way our owner is, I couldn't ask for a better way either. I think we will begin to see more dynasties because of the way the cap is working. Its big and only getting bigger, and it will benifit those teams that know how to work it, and are willing to spend. We ALL know that Jerry is willing to spend, so we are good there. I also am starting to believe that Jerry is surrounding himself with people that know how to work the cap. Now, if he can just keep drafting like the past few years... Personally, I am of the mind that Jerry uses failure just like any other successful person...he learns from it. And who amoung us can deny that Jerry is a VERY succesful individual.

Man this post went on a bit...dang beer.

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