Dak’s would be pick 6

[G2]

FFS, there's plenty to analyze & criticize without starting another Trash Dak thread about something that never happened.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Nice defense mechanism.

The reality is, qbs can't do it all themselves. Coaching is a huge part of it and so are weapons and a ground game. We didn't have any of those vs the #1 defense in the league on the road.

Blah blah blah Josh Allen blah. Your idol crapped the bed, just take the L and get lost.

 

[G2]

Nice defense mechanism.

The reality is, qbs can't do it all themselves. Coaching is a huge part of it and so are weapons and a ground game. We didn't have any of those vs the #1 defense in the league on the road.

They will understand what you're saying or they won't have the ability to look past one player.
*Disclaimer* This doesn't translate to "Dak played awesome" - it's just some won't even try to look at it from a leaguewide view.

 

[G2]

Blah blah blah Josh Allen blah. Your idol crapped the bed, just take the L and get lost.

Why be a dick? Was his opinion too hard for you?

 

[Sydla]

Did you watch Josh Allen these playoffs?

Did you see Tom Brady last week?

I can't do this all off-season with you guys.

Neither of those guys are our QB.

Dak is our QB. That play was a horrible play by him. He completely missed the LB standing right there and reading his eyes.

Holy ****, dude, are you really trying to rationalize that throw?

Oh and I'd trade Dak in a heartbeat for Allen. If one wouldn't, then that guy is a moron.

 

[Sydla]

Nice defense mechanism.

The reality is, qbs can't do it all themselves. Coaching is a huge part of it and so are weapons and a ground game. We didn't have any of those vs the #1 defense in the league on the road.

Great.

But the QB still controls ALOT of what goes on during a play. And no, Dak throwing that pass that should have been a pick 6 isn't acceptable or a good play where something or someone else let him down. That was on him. As was the Lamb interception. No, it wasn't Moore's fault. Or Lamb's. Or anyone else's fault. It was his. He made two awful reads, two awful decisions.

 

[offlimits]

This play is more telling than all of the poor throws combined, as it exemplifies his “mental
Abilities” as a QB. He’s done it multiple times this season and he continues to do it. I said in the TB thread about Devon White saying this team was basically simple that Dak made a very similar throw against Tampa in the first game of the season, meaning it’s been a trend all year long.



Dak should have had ANOTHER pick 6 returned for a TD this year, based off the same route and position. He’s completely staring down his WR, meaning it’s a predetermined read yet again. All the LB had to do is watch his eyes and make the break.

One week Dak says he’ll keep throwing it and the next week he’ll say he needs to make smarter decisions. He is who he is. You can’t scheme it away from him.

I have posted this more times than I should. That is why they need an OC/ QB coach that can limit Dak's mistakes and impulsive throws. Dak has skills... he does. He often makes great throws. They need an analyst that can come in and determine what routes/throws he is efficient at and confident with. It is not "rocket science". Run the pass plays that he is comfortable with and just change the look/formation pre-snap. Always give him an option... a back in the flat. A safety valve if his primary option is covered. Rinse and repeat. Go back and look at Bill Walsh's SF teams from the 80's. Bill Walsh invented the "West Coast" offense. Bill Walsh won 3 SB's with rag-arm Joe Montana. Low-risk passes... high reward. RAC. Back in the 90's I think Jimmy Johnson's team had basically 5 passing plays. Troy would throw that slant to Michael Irvin 8 times a game.

 

[Sydla]

They will understand what you're saying or they won't have the ability to look past one player.
*Disclaimer* This doesn't translate to "Dak played awesome" - it's just some won't even try to look at it from a leaguewide view.

Leaguewide view?

A leaguewide view tells me Dak threw more interceptions that just about every other starting QB this year. Leaguewide view tells me, that unfortunately, he's just a decent QB, not a great one but that he's paid/has cap hits where he needs to be more than just a decent QB. You can't win in this league with your highest paid/largest cap hit being just a "decent" player.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Did you watch Josh Allen these playoffs?

Did you see Tom Brady last week?

I can't do this all off-season with you guys.

Did you see Purdy, Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts?

I cant do this all off season with Dak bots

 

[khiladi]

I have posted this more times than I should. That is why they need an OC/ QB coach that can limit Dak's mistakes and impulsive throws. Dak has skills... he does. He often makes great throws. They need an analyst that can come in and determine what routes/throws he is efficient at and confident with. It is not "rocket science". Run the pass plays that he is comfortable with and just change the look/formation pre-snap. Always give him an option... a back in the flat. A safety valve if his primary option is covered. Rinse and repeat. Go back and look at Bill Walsh's SF teams from the 80's. Bill Walsh invented the "West Coast" offense. Bill Walsh won 3 SB's with rag-arm Joe Montana. Low-risk passes... high reward. RAC.

Basically, what you are saying is the OC has all the responsibility to overcome the limitations of a QB, who is getting paid 160 million dollars, almost 10 times more than the actual OC. The OC is supposed to MAXIMIZE the talent of the QB. A superior QB has more of a impact on making an OC great than the other way around, provided the OC isn’t incompetent like a Jason Garrett or Joe Lombardi.

 

[Sydla]

I have posted this more times than I should. That is why they need an OC/ QB coach that can limit Dak's mistakes and impulsive throws. Dak has skills... he does. He often makes great throws. They need an analyst that can come in and determine what routes/throws he is efficient at and confident with. It is not "rocket science". Run the pass plays that he is comfortable with and just change the look/formation pre-snap. Always give him an option... a back in the flat. A safety valve if his primary option is covered. Rinse and repeat. Go back and look at Bill Walsh's SF teams from the 80's. Bill Walsh invented the "West Coast" offense. Bill Walsh won 3 SB's with rag-arm Joe Montana. Low-risk passes... high reward. RAC.

Dude.

Montana was a legit stud. Making him out to be like Dak but with better coaching is weird.

 

[Ken]

Neither of those guys are our QB.

Dak is our QB. That play was a horrible play by him. He completely missed the LB standing right there and reading his eyes.

Holy ****, dude, are you really trying to rationalize that throw?

Oh and I'd trade Dak in a heartbeat for Allen. If one wouldn't, then that guy is a moron.

I guess you missed Diggs calling Allen a B yesterday?

I guess you missed, the odds on FAVS by you and your ILK to win the Superbowl earlier this year, FAIL ....AGAIN.

Yes, i am not "rationalizing" the throw. I am merely calling out staring down a player on a 5 yard quick route is standard. I have more issue with the fact that their were 3 other curl routes to choose from.

 

[McKDaddy]

I agree that not enough attention is given to his poor passes on deep throws.

What? He's the greatest deep ball thrower in history.

According to a few and some silly statistic .....

 

[Ken]

Did you see Purdy, Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts?

I cant do this all off season with Dak bots

I watched Hurts throw for 145 yards against a mid-defense. I watched 6 balls go over 10 yards.

I watched Purdy do basically nothing, get lucky on the Kittle throw that he overthrew (happens when you have an all pro) and get away with at least a couple of should have been picks.

Mahomes...yup and Burrow...yup. Great players.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

You gotta wonder what goes on for gameplanning. Like Dak would obviously not like to throw interceptions, if this is scheme related or w/e, wouldnt Dak want to work with Moore to fix this? Like figure out better routes that work for him, its not like they hate each other im assuming, and what is his QB coach telling him? I really dont get it, like on one hand you can potentially blame coaches for not doing better, but at the same time the qb themselves has to get up and work out different things to make this work.

@Ranching whats your opinion from a coach perspective on this?

 

[khiladi]

Yeh Dak played like crap but look at that play. Four curls at the same depth. The defense knows this and is just sitting on the route. They are all just standing there watching Dak. Ready to jump it.
This is the same crappy offense that used to get Romo in trouble also. Yes, the QBs have to take the blame but when are we going to get rid of JG's garbage offense? It hasn't worked since 2007 against good playoff teams.

No, it’s not. Moore is completely different than Garrett. Reality is, of course an offense has similar routes they use, as they run a type of offense built on certain concepts. What Dak is doing here is just staring WRs down and refusing yo go through his progressions.

Romo on the other hand used to go through his progressions and throw the checkdown to guys like Jones and Choice, because nobody was open and Garrett basically lined his TWO WRs outside the chains regularly.

Garrett rarely even used motion while Moore used it constantly.

 

[Sydla]

I guess you missed Diggs calling Allen a B yesterday?

I guess you missed, the odds on FAVS by you and your ILK to win the Superbowl earlier this year, FAIL ....AGAIN.

Yes, i am not "rationalizing" the throw. I am merely calling out staring down a player on a 5 yard quick route is standard. I have more issue with the fact that their were 3 other curl routes to choose from.

LOL.

Bills lost. They stunk yesterday. Allen had his issues.

That being said, there isn't a GM in football that would take Dak over Allen. I hope to God you aren't trying to argue Dak is as good as Allen.

 

[buddahjoe445]

I watched Hurts throw for 145 yards against a mid-defense. I watched 6 balls go over 10 yards.

I watched Purdy do basically nothing, get lucky on the Kittle throw that he overthrew (happens when you have an all pro) and get away with at least a couple of should have been picks.

Mahomes...yup and Burrow...yup. Great players.

Hurts and Purdy didnt hurt their teams. Dak would have prevented Eagles and 49ers from winning if he played for them. Thats the difference.

 

[offlimits]

Dude.

Montana was a legit stud. Making him out to be like Dak but with better coaching is weird.

You misunderstand my point. Montana was limited physically. He had a noodle arm but they designed the offense around him.

 

[Tim93gt]

Yeh Dak played like crap but look at that play. Four curls at the same depth. The defense knows this and is just sitting on the route. They are all just standing there watching Dak. Ready to jump it.
This is the same crappy offense that used to get Romo in trouble also. Yes, the QBs have to take the blame but when are we going to get rid of JG's garbage offense? It hasn't worked since 2007 against good playoff teams.

Someone gets it. This flag football route tree is more of the issue than the qb chucking it.