Dak’s would be pick 6

[Zman5]

No, it’s not. Moore is completely different than Garrett. Reality is, of course an offense has similar routes they use, as they run a type of offense built on certain concepts. What Dak is doing here is just staring WRs down and refusing yo go through his progressions.

Romo on the other hand used to go through his progressions and throw the checkdown to guys like Jones and Choice, because nobody was open and Garrett basically lined his TWO WRs outside the chains regularly.

Garrett rarely even used motion while Moore used it constantly.

That play was staple of JGs offense . KM runs it all the time also. If you didn't see that play during JG era you are either blind or didn't watch the games during JG era

 

[BoysForLife]

I guess you missed Diggs calling Allen a B yesterday?

I guess you missed, the odds on FAVS by you and your ILK to win the Superbowl earlier this year, FAIL ....AGAIN.

Yes, i am not "rationalizing" the throw. I am merely calling out staring down a player on a 5 yard quick route is standard. I have more issue with the fact that their were 3 other curl routes to choose from.

Lamb ran a quick out toward the sideline
and appeared to be open.

his primary continued to drop fearing a potential deep shot. there was an easy 6-8 yard completion there for the taking on that play.

 

[Ken]

LOL.

Bills lost. They stunk yesterday. Allen had his issues.

That being said, there isn't a GM in football that would take Dak over Allen. I hope to God you aren't trying to argue Dak is as good as Allen.

No, just pointing out there is more to the game than the QB.

Yet that is all anyone wants to talk about.

 

[JustChip]

This play is more telling than all of the poor throws combined, as it exemplifies his “mental
Abilities” as a QB. He’s done it multiple times this season and he continues to do it. I said in the TB thread about Devon White saying this team was basically simple that Dak made a very similar throw against Tampa in the first game of the season, meaning it’s been a trend all year long.



Dak should have had ANOTHER pick 6 returned for a TD this year, based off the same route and position. He’s completely staring down his WR, meaning it’s a predetermined read yet again. All the LB had to do is watch his eyes and make the break.

One week Dak says he’ll keep throwing it and the next week he’ll say he needs to make smarter decisions. He is who he is. You can’t scheme it away from him.

The real problem on that play is NOBODY was open. Any throw short like that had zero chance of success. And the picket was clean. I keep saying it, but Boy Winder and the offensive scheme is not putting Dak in the best position to succeed. Moore HAS to go and a FRESH offensive approach be brought in.

 

[McKDaddy]

Hurts and Purdy didnt hurt their teams. Dak would have prevented Eagles and 49ers from winning if he played for them. Thats the difference.

If Dak had played the same game Purdy did (no turnovers, making the plays that were there to be made, making just one or two plays when it wasn't really there), Dak would be getting praises galore from his followers. He would be back in the GOAT conversation.

But since he didn't & Purdy did, they try to act like Purdy did nothing to help his team win. Sometimes performing within yourself is helping your team win.

 

[Ken]

Lamb ran a quick out toward the sideline
and appeared to be open.

his primary continued to drop fearing a potential deep shot. there was an easy 6-8 yard completion there for the taking on that play.

I have to watch it again but assuming that is the case...we have no idea what his reads are on that play...at least without looking at it again in my case.

I have issues with the all curls offense...i hate it. At best it is catch and fall down...at worst you get tackled short or throw a pick.

 

[BoysForLife]

I have to watch it again but assuming that is the case...we have no idea what his reads are on that play...at least without looking at it again in my case.

I have issues with the all curls offense...i hate it. At best it is catch and fall down...at worst you get tackled short or throw a pick.

on the clip posted at the start of this thread all you can see is Lambs feet as it's a tough angle but his DB backpedals out of the picture.

that probably should have been the read, I think Dak determined pre snap where he was going with that ball and it nearly backfired badly.

again, jmho.

 

[Sydla]

No, just pointing out there is more to the game than the QB.

Yet that is all anyone wants to talk about.

Yes, sometimes there is more to a game than just the QB. Sometimes a bunch of things fail around the QB. Sometimes the QB plays awesome and everyone else sucks and they lose.

But sometimes the QB plays so terribly he's the big reason they lost.

That was us and Dak last night. He was the single biggest factor in that loss. Sure, there were other issues but at the end of the day, Dak was arguably one of the worst players on the field yesterday. Whining that people are too focused on Dak is downright bizarre given how awful he was yesterday.

 

[atlantacowboy]

This play is more telling than all of the poor throws combined, as it exemplifies his “mental
Abilities” as a QB. He’s done it multiple times this season and he continues to do it. I said in the TB thread about Devon White saying this team was basically simple that Dak made a very similar throw against Tampa in the first game of the season, meaning it’s been a trend all year long.



Dak should have had ANOTHER pick 6 returned for a TD this year, based off the same route and position. He’s completely staring down his WR, meaning it’s a predetermined read yet again. All the LB had to do is watch his eyes and make the break.

One week Dak says he’ll keep throwing it and the next week he’ll say he needs to make smarter decisions. He is who he is. You can’t scheme it away from him.

I have also heard that our wrs run very simple routes. That near pick 6 was the laziest route I have ever seen. Schultz literally just ran 10 yards and turned around.

 

[Ken]

on the clip posted at the start of this thread all you can see is Lambs feet as it's a tough angle but his DB backpedals out of the picture.

that probably should have been the read, I think Dak determined pre snap where he was going with that ball and it nearly backfired badly.

again, jmho.

Ya it looks like Lamb was a better option. Again though...1st and 10...we got nobody running and stretching a defense. If you are going to run curls...have deeper options so you don't have to make quick reads that the defense knows.

SF wasn't worried about a curl and go...we don't do it. When they see curl..they know to jump it.

It is a really weird offense.

 

[Ken]

Yes, sometimes there is more to a game than just the QB. Sometimes a bunch of things fail around the QB. Sometimes the QB plays awesome and everyone else sucks and they lose.

But sometimes the QB plays so terribly he's the big reason they lost.

That was us and Dak last night. He was the single biggest factor in that loss. Sure, there were other issues but at the end of the day, Dak was arguably one of the worst players on the field yesterday. Whining that people are too focused on Dak is downright bizarre given how awful he was yesterday.

Again...does SF get any credit?

They made us one-dimensional...again.

Dak made some bad plays...no doubt.

 

[BoysForLife]

Ya it looks like Lamb was a better option. Again though...1st and 10...we got nobody running and stretching a defense. If you are going to run curls...have deeper options so you don't have to make quick reads that the defense knows.

SF wasn't worried about a curl and go...we don't do it. When they see curl..they know to jump it.

It is a really weird offense.

i will concede that in that scenario, given the time and score, even a quick out is not a super great pattern.
I think that's one of the reasons the SF Db went deep, to try and prevent Cee Dee from getting behind him.
I guess 7 yards and a quick step out of bounds might be a decent way to start that drive, getting ahead of the sticks and only using 3 or 4 seconds to do it.

But at the end of the day, that was a time where we needed to go. An quickly.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Yeah the throw is stupid what's even more stupid is 4 WRs running all curls. Why do we run these routes when we have no speed at WR?

 

[baltcowboy]

I agree that not enough attention is given to his poor passes on deep throws. It's what makes me wince (wentz?) with the dialogue about needing to add more WR talent. There's no doubt Gallup cannot continue masquerading as our No. 2, but what real difference will it make?

I will give Gallup the ACL injury excuse. He came back way to early. He is afraid to plant on that knee. Hopefully he will have more confidence after the offseason.

 

[Philmonroe]

I don't care what Josh Allen did. I do care what Dak Prescott did. Last I looked Josh Allen does not play for the Dallas Cowboys.

Yeah these Dak defenders have very dumped ex partner emotional energy. What kind of logic is talking about so and so player that don't play on this team? I'm worried about this team not other teams but I guess anything to take the blame off their hero.

 

[baltcowboy]

You missed the point. The point is Dak has had multiple pick 6 on basically this SAME ROUTE OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE SAME FIELD POSITION. He’s a mental midget as QB that has zero awareness as the QB and what the defense is showing and doing. He can’t process the field worth a dime. His ability to jot hit WRs in stride is also often times subsumed under this, as he’s LATE delivering the ball, because he’s just slow. Here we are in the playoffs and he does the EXACT SAME THING, meaning he didn’t learn from his past experience. How can an OC compensate for that?

There was never a Dak era. It was a Zeke era that carried Dak. This has been the era of baby-sitting Dak at the expense of the team.

Zeke had like 3 good seasons with his best season with the best offensive line in recent memory. I would take Murray’s 2014 season over anything Zeke ever did and the Cowboys treated him like crap. Dak is as good as your boy Romo. Stop it.

 

[Ranching]

You gotta wonder what goes on for gameplanning. Like Dak would obviously not like to throw interceptions, if this is scheme related or w/e, wouldnt Dak want to work with Moore to fix this? Like figure out better routes that work for him, its not like they hate each other im assuming, and what is his QB coach telling him? I really dont get it, like on one hand you can potentially blame coaches for not doing better, but at the same time the qb themselves has to get up and work out different things to make this work.

@Ranching whats your opinion from a coach perspective on this?

Quite honestly, I think Dak just got rattled with the pressure. No doubt, he needs more weapons to take some of that pressure off.
No run game is not good for a QB like Dak....he needs that to succeed.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Yes, sometimes there is more to a game than just the QB. Sometimes a bunch of things fail around the QB. Sometimes the QB plays awesome and everyone else sucks and they lose.

But sometimes the QB plays so terribly he's the big reason they lost.

That was us and Dak last night. He was the single biggest factor in that loss. Sure, there were other issues but at the end of the day, Dak was arguably one of the worst players on the field yesterday. Whining that people are too focused on Dak is downright bizarre given how awful he was yesterday.

I don't disagree with anything you said there, Dak was one of the worst players out there and simply was not good enough. I think the problem with this thread is it's beating on something that did not happen. Every single QB has almost picks and has bad throws and why over analyze something that didn't happen on a play that there wasn't a play to be made? There were 2 bad INTs and plenty other plays not made, this play didn't move the needle about the outcome.

I'm not trying to defend Dak at all, he choked yesterday and yes some people get too focused on Dak, pro or con. There was a poster complaining that Dak wore a cap at the post-game press conference.... so yeah, things like that are kinda bizarre.

 

[Adiba1977]

Horrible routes. No medium routes. No creativity. Defenses jumping everything.

 

[morat1959]

You misunderstand my point. Montana was limited physically. He had a noodle arm but they designed the offense around him.

Montana and Dak do not belong in the same universe. Come on man. For the humpteenth time, you can’t fix Dak with a game plan. He’s dumb as a rock!