Dak - a balanced thread

[QuincyCarterEra]

his accuracy
his poor footwork
his lack of pocket presence
his lack of ability to read defense
taking too many unnecessary sacks

if what you outlined above was the only qualifiers, then Mike White is close, he is bigger, has bigger arm and is in good health, so 3/4 of the way there.

Accuracy is good
Footwork can be taught
Pocket presence can be taught
He already reads the defense well, highlighted by his historically low INT #'s
Too many sacks is the exact same as pocket presence lmao, but good try double dipping

Mike White doesnt have more arm strength lol, talk about not know the players and hoping it sticks.

 

[erod]

Let me try to push this sucker off the rails. Dak haters are idiots. Guy has been an absolute steal of a 4th rounder. Has been a starter ever since. 25 years old. Arrow is pointing up. Is he Tom Brady? Probably not and that is ok.

Dallas had a bottom third passing offense, and Dak was the predominant reason why.

So there's that.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Cowboys Fans deserve a QB like Mahomes. Not this bum masquerading as a franchise QB.

The standards in the Jerry Jones era have fallen

 

[Blackrain]

Let's stop the fan boy nonsense. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Some of you are just too young to know what that used to mean.

QB is the premier position in all of sports. The Dallas Cowboys are supposed to be the premier franchise in football. The fact that the Cowboys would now look for a new franchise QB and settle on a stiff like Dak Prescott should sicken anyone with an ounce of credibility as a fan. All I read over and over is what he can't do and how that's okay we can work around that. What the hell kind of plan is that for the Dallas Cowboys in search of their franchise QB? That's Cincinnati Bengals thinking. I don't want a guy who can't do things. I don't want to settle at the position. That shouldn't be plan A. I want a real talent who allows you to get by at other positions not other positions allowing them to get by at his own. I don't want a college offense. I want a real QB who can play real pro football.

We are already saddled with the worst Owner and GM in sports, a complete fraud at Director of Personnel and a weak Head Coach. The thought of being okay with adding a mediocre at best QB to that mix is baffling to me.

Why? Just cause Go Cowboys! and stuff?

You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

I repeat - You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

If for whatever reason Dak Prescott is on your roster and your starter goes down, then you look to get by and tailor a gimmick offense around him and his lack of any talent. Then it makes sense to read the things I read about him every day. Well, they just mean until our starter gets back. But to watch him play for three years and think this is the guy you want under center for the next 10 years as the future of our offense is an opinion I just can't take seriously.

A QB who can't throw the football.

The Dallas bleepin Cowboys.

Thank God Tom Landry isn't around to see this.

First off we got no fan boy nonsense here and I am 56 yrs old and watched the absolute best of Cowboy Football in my youth State your age so we know we are not dealing with some young buck that never even watched a Cowboy SB like that Emperor guy from the other site read a bunch of books and was a 25 yr old authority on Cowboy football LOL

Next we have not been the premier football franchise in 20 yrs When the Cowboys drafted Dak they were not looking for there next franchise QB just a backup to what they thought was there franchise QB

What should really sicken you is the fact that through all those 8-8 seasons we did not use a high draft pick on a QB or use Zekes pick on a QB here was the true failure . Not recognizing way before it was too late, probably around the time he couldn't practice on Wednesdays anymore THAT WE NEEDED TO USE A HIGH DRAFT PICK ON ROMOS REPLACEMENT!!!!!!

We didn't draft and groom a replacement we threw him big money and his back was toast then he runs in a meaning less game and leaves us with no QB.

IN steps Dak with all the players drafted to make Romo successful and low and behold he is successful like any QB with a run game that gets 5 yrds a crack when the whole stadium knows its going to happen .

In a nut shell Dak and the team have performed too well for us to have the draft pick necessary to get the talent at QB that you want so it isn't going to happen . Go the Cousins route over pay and have no supporting cast while sitting home the post season NO NO NO and NO

When we were the premier football franchise run by Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson we stockpiled QBs Meredith , Morton . Morton Staubach , Staubach White , Aikman Walsh . After Jerry took over we had has beens , Quincy and then hitched our wagon to Romo till he looked like the horse Scarlet Ohara rode into town.

WE HAVE NOT USED A FIRST RD PICK ON A QB SINCE TROY so blame Jerry for not giving you the talent you want not Dak for not being as talented as the 1st pick in the draft .
Jerry is supporting Dak it his hobby and he dosent care . Whats fun for a guy with that much money is taking an obscure guy like Dak and making him the Star so he gets all the credit like he did Romo
You can scream, holler exaggerate all Daks faults JERRY DOSENT CARE!!!! Dak has more than enough upside in his mind so he is our QB get used to it

 

[erod]

Footwork and pocket presence can be learned with good coaching, and his accuracy is already better than average.
Ceiling remains unchanged

Lol, meanwhile, he's never beaten Jason Garrett in an after practice accuracy contest and he just got beat by a girl before the Super Bowl.

His accuracy is good about half the time. That's not good.

 

[Blackrain]

Lol, meanwhile, he's never beaten Jason Garrett in an after practice accuracy contest and he just got beat by a girl before the Super Bowl.

His accuracy is good about half the time. That's not good.

All true but when you need 14 yrds at the end of the game he buckles his chin strap and makes it happen , that's a football player , my QB

 

[JBS]

Let's stop the fan boy nonsense. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Some of you are just too young to know what that used to mean.

QB is the premier position in all of sports. The Dallas Cowboys are supposed to be the premier franchise in football. The fact that the Cowboys would now look for a new franchise QB and settle on a stiff like Dak Prescott should sicken anyone with an ounce of credibility as a fan. All I read over and over is what he can't do and how that's okay we can work around that. What the hell kind of plan is that for the Dallas Cowboys in search of their franchise QB? That's Cincinnati Bengals thinking. I don't want a guy who can't do things. I don't want to settle at the position. That shouldn't be plan A. I want a real talent who allows you to get by at other positions not other positions allowing them to get by at his own. I don't want a college offense. I want a real QB who can play real pro football.

We are already saddled with the worst Owner and GM in sports, a complete fraud at Director of Personnel and a weak Head Coach. The thought of being okay with adding a mediocre at best QB to that mix is baffling to me.

Why? Just cause Go Cowboys! and stuff?

You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

I repeat - You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

If for whatever reason Dak Prescott is on your roster and your starter goes down, then you look to get by and tailor a gimmick offense around him and his lack of any talent. Then it makes sense to read the things I read about him every day. Well, they just mean until our starter gets back. But to watch him play for three years and think this is the guy you want under center for the next 10 years as the future of our offense is an opinion I just can't take seriously.

A QB who can't throw the football.

The Dallas bleepin Cowboys.

Thank God Tom Landry isn't around to see this.

Lets go ahead and agree that all of this is true...great

this means nothing if you can't find a "real" qb...whats your strategy for finding one? They're insanely hard to find

 

[Runwildboys]

I really hope we are not having this debate every year of dak's tenure at the Cowboys. I fear we will.

There are only two ways to prevent it.......SB or Bust.

 

[Blackrain]

Dak is what he is.
Thats not going to stop me from finding his replacement. Especially if I'm in position to draft a Qb if this team craps the bed this season.

Yep and Jerry likes what he is

So when you find his replacement Email it to Jerry Im sure he will consider it especially since we have no 1st rd pick this yr and a low 2nd because Dak turned the season around and got us to the playoffs

 

[Direwolf63]

Is a top 10 starting QB really a "very low" ceiling?

He has the size
He has the arm
He has the health
He has the intangibles

I'm not sure what would limit his ceiling

His lack of accuracy.
He is slow at processing information.
Poor footwork.
Holds the ball too long.

Dak needs a good team around him to lift him to wins. He cannot lift his teammates like elite QB's can. He is average to below average. Somewhere around 12 to 18 in the NFL.

You can win with that. But the team has to be very good around him. And that is tough. Especially if you are paying an average QB mega dollars. Which could happen in this case.

 

[Runwildboys]

Show me on post that said Dak should have never been drafted. Just one and I'll wait. No one argued that Dak shouldn't have been drafted. On the contrary, that's probably the one thing most will agree on. Dak was drafted where he should have been drafted and he was a decent 4th round pick as a developmental guy who could fill in when your starter goes down. The problem with all these Dak threads is that there very foundation starts off with the wrong premise, just like the very first sentence in your post.

We can have a "healthy" discussion about Dak but it's going to devolve pretty quick because we've become "settlers." We've settled at the GM position and accepted it; we've settled on Director of Personnel and accepted it; we've settled at the HC position and we've accepted it. Now we've settled at the OC position and not only have we accepted it, but we defend it and even try to justify it. Same with Dak. We can and should be looking for better. But we've settled on being above .500, "winning" seasons and the occasional playoff birth as our new barometer of success.

Good post..........but there are a couple of folks here who hate Dak, and exaggerate so much that I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone said he shouldn't have been drafted.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Accuracy is good
Footwork can be taught
Pocket presence can be taught
He already reads the defense well, highlighted by his historically low INT #'s
Too many sacks is the exact same as pocket presence lmao, but good try double dipping

Mike White doesnt have more arm strength lol, talk about not know the players and hoping it sticks.

accuracy isn't good. completion percentage is not accuracy....even Staubach said the same.
agreed foot work can be taught, but its 3 years in the league and no improvement. same issues as year 1
Pocket presence can only be taught so much. sensing players around you, internal clock in the head, some of that is innate
he doesn't read defenses well. he needs to improve. low number of Ints has nothing to do with reading defense.
too many sacks is different than pocket presence. there are times he sees things coming, yet doesn't make the right decisions or takes sacks.

you are learning. I have seen improvements in you...I am proud of you

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Footwork and pocket presence can be learned with good coaching, and his accuracy is already better than average.
Ceiling remains unchanged

accuracy and completion percentage are not one and the same. its a common mistake

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Imo, this is an honest evaluation of Dak.

Really? "Can't throw the football" Then how did he get over 10,000 yards and 85 tds? Can't? Not like Brees or Brady or Rodgers, I would agree, but you can't make black and white, all or nothing statements about ANY NFL player, they ALL have things they can't do well, like Brady can't run like Dak, Brees can't take on hits like Dak and Rodgers can't stay healthy like Dak.

It's a matter of degree...

 

[Blackrain]

Lets go ahead and agree that all of this is true...great

this means nothing if you can't find a "real" qb...whats your strategy for finding one? They're insanely hard to find

There never is a strategy just what I want , what we deserve , what we used to have , Blah Blah Blah No plan just whining and lamenting over a guy who wasn't even supposed to be playing now but some how managed to get us to the playoffs twice in 3 yrs with Garrett as the coach

 

[Direwolf63]

Footwork and pocket presence can be learned with good coaching, and his accuracy is already better than average.
Ceiling remains unchanged

He's completed 3 years. How much longer is this supposed to take?

I agree he needs better coaching. He won't be getting it this year. So I expect much the same as we have seen. Some good, some bad. Average overall.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

accuracy isn't good. completion percentage is not accuracy....even Staubach said the same.
agreed foot work can be taught, but its 3 years in the league and no improvement. same issues as year 1
Pocket presence can only be taught so much. sensing players around you, internal clock in the head, some of that is innate
he doesn't read defenses well. he needs to improve. low number of Ints has nothing to do with reading defense.
too many sacks is different than pocket presence. there are times he sees things coming, yet doesn't make the right decisions or takes sacks.

you are learning. I have seen improvements in you...I am proud of you

I didn't say completion % is accuracy, that's your statement. His inaccuracy rears it's head when he has poor footwork. Fix the footwork and you fix his inconsistency.

According to Romo pocket presence comes with repetition and years of work on the job. I'll agree with Romo who had suspect pocket pro sense early in his career.

Low INT #'s do have ti do with reading defenses. He doesnt get baited into their coverage like other QBs do. It's not all of it but it's a big part. You'll learn that.

No lol, the sacks and pocket presence go hand in hand.

Hey I'm just trying to make you more knowledgable! It will come with time and interaction with me. I can fix you!

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

accuracy and completion percentage are not one and the same. its a common mistake

You're the one mistaking it. I've never mentioned completion %

 

[silvrNblue]

What needs to happen to quite ALL the natives is, dump ALL our draft picks to go 1st rnd 1st pick and get one of the college studs being bantered about as the next "Brady/Rodgers. Suit him up put his butt on the field behind our once great o-line, which BTW isn't any longer cause well we gave away the farm to keep the pond, let him hand it off to our # 1 Rb, oh which we had to let go cause well we sold the farm to keep the tractor, ok so then we will set him out and impress us all with his "big" arm, the one that sounds like the shuttle on take off and pass to our # 1 WR's , oh wait well he won't be doing much of that either cause well we sold the tractor to keep the Studebaker. Or, we go get a top notch, top tier EX QB from 8 different teams, you know the guy who has , well had a big arm and well his QBR used to be in the top 5 , you know before he sucked and was cut 8 different times, cause well he sucks now and wasn't really "that" QB but hey kets get him and have a competition between ole dink and dunk noodle arm Dak and SEE what a schulb we bought into in Prescott... yeah that'll show em.

 

[Doomsday101]

Footwork, accuracy, pocket presence.

footwork and accuracy kind of go hand in hand. When he has struggled at times with accuracy Dak himself will point to improving his footwork. Knowing it is one thing doing it under pressure is another, plays always tend to lean on habits when dealing with pressure. Only way to correct it is putting in a lot of work where it becomes 2nd nature. I think both Moore and Kitna can help Dak correct this.