Dak - a balanced thread

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Is a top 10 starting QB really a "very low" ceiling?

He has the size
He has the arm
He has the health
He has the intangibles

I'm not sure what would limit his ceiling

Tom Brady has never had the size.
Tom Brady took 10 years to build up the arm, and even then it was never a missile launcher.
Tom Brady missed more games in 2008 than Carson has missed his whole career.
Tom Brady was pegged as Mike Mayock’s slowest QB he’s ever seen at the combine. And there have been some fat ones.

Ryan Leaf, however, had the arm, had the size, had health, and had great intangibles (on the field).

Am I saying Dak is Ryan Leaf? No. But I am saying that none of these are really indicative of anything. Nick Foles has a noodle arm. Is slow as heck. But man, Jamarcus Russell was a specimen of QB perfection.

QB needs 2 things, and only 2 things: Accuracy, decision making. Everything else is just extra flavoring. Dak is good enough to remain starter for the 2019 season, most will agree with that. And that’s all that matters today.

 

[Runwildboys]

Not many "elite" QB not named Brady has won many SBs. It's a myth that you need a "elite" QB to win a SB. In fact, Brady got beat by Foles. Is Foles "elite"?

Eli has more SB wins than Rodger, Wilson and Brees. Same number of SB wins as his brother and Roethlisberger.

Does anyone consider Eli "elite"?

Eli does!

 

[Brax]

Even in those wins Tom was no were near the QB he became.

Yes he got better, most who play long enough get better, Tom was outstanding when he replaced Bledsoe after he was hurt and never gave the job back. Coaching I believe was a big plus for Brady but all the tangibles and intangibles were there.

 

[Brax]

Then you should know that Brady wasn't Brady back then if you did.

Yes he was Brady even then, Pats are on every week here , yes he has matured as a QB, but all great QB's do. But the 2001 vs the 2018 Brady are the same QB with the 2018 being more polished but I would take the 2001 version over just about any QB of today.

 

[Zman5]

AS maligned as Eli is/was he was good QB in this league a long time. He is not a Peyton, Brees, Rothliesberger but he was better than 75% of the league in his prime.

He was good in his prime but he was never "elite". Dak may never reach "elite" status but he certainly has potential to become "good". And like Eli, good QB can win you a SB. And that is my point.

 

[Zman5]

Eli does!

Eli thanks you.

 

[Philmonroe]

Yep hes a jewel . Some things sorry just dosent fix . Torturing animals for pleasure is one of them

He is but I can't change your mind and not trying to be honest. People want to get their feelings out so be it.

The way a man treats women, children, animals or anyone else hes capable of taking advantage of speaks volumes to his character.

This is more a sounds good quote than really true just because people in this day and age rarely have this tested to the point to see how you'd really react. You could say and I'd agree folks act up everyday but most of us doing the judging aren't in similar situations to know how you'd react or who you'd be if you were raised differently. Reminds me of the old movie trading places.

 

[jrumann59]

Looked pretty good after Cooper got here. Let me ask this - the WR and TE corps to start the season...you think that helped a young QB. You think 58 sacks help? You think Linehan helped? That rookie QB coach? Running the same offense since 2007 help? Enough with the negative.

None of that helped but SL, JG, and Dak doubled down on there is no need for #1 WR. So really I blame all three.

 

[Philmonroe]

Its hard to believe someone capable of such evil can actually have a good heart. I read the police report and its vile. Its even harder for me to trust the sincerity of his actions after being caught. I dont dismiss anything is possible but no, Id never trust his character after that. It wasnt a single bad moment or choice either, it was brutalizing the innocent over and over and over.

I understand. People can and do change but y'all think they can't. I guess that's why the world will always be like it is because people don't believe those who have done certain wrongs like in this case can ever change. Y'all all are entitled to your pov and I can't change it but wish yall would be more open. If you can't I don't agree but understand from your pov

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is what he is.
Thats not going to stop me from finding his replacement. Especially if I'm in position to draft a Qb if this team craps the bed this season.

That's what you said last year. How did that turn out?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is an average QB at best so far in his career. He has trouble processing defenses and knowing where his receivers will be open based on defensive alignment. He does have some running ability and has way more faith in his ability to run for a TD than throw it....which is part of his problem. QB's have to take chances at some point, it can not all be safe easy throws. Hopefully Kitna with Moore's help will get his confidence up to let it rip when needed. We have a good OL, good enough for most QB's with an average arm and we have a great RB both of which should make Dak's life much easier. Even if you believe Linehans plays sucked Dak was still missing wide open receivers and often failed to put the ball in the ideal spot away from defenders where only the receiver can make a play. He does have room to grow, i don't see him ever cracking the top 12 in QB's though as he is extremely limited by his arm talent.

Nice fiction story. Can you tell a non-fiction one now?

 

[charron]

Nice fiction story. Can you tell a non-fiction one now?

That's your opinion and obviously we disagree. Too bad he didn't have the leagues leading rusher for most of the last 3 years. Too bad he only had a couple of probowlers on his OL and a top 5 defense to go along with beasley being #2 in seperation at the time of target. How many wr's does Dak make better? Zero, that's how many. Defenses give up the easy completions and dak takes them so his numbers look better on paper than actual game footage. There's hope he gets better but it's unlikely you'll just blame Moore or keep blaming Garrett untill a new HC comes in and says Dak is very average...then you'll blame that new HC for not using Dak correctly.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You'll learn, eventually.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Nice fiction story. Can you tell a non-fiction one now?

ok, I will try. Dak is actually below average....

better?

 

[Hardline]

That's what you said last year. How did that turn out?

What did you see this season to make you think Dak doesn't need compitition and can't be challenged for a starting position?

 

[Blackrain]

Hahaha. I have to say, it's been amusing watching your tear it up in this thread. I totally understand what you're saying. If you look at the recent NFL Drafts.... 31 QBs have been selected in the first 3 rounds from 2012-2017. (I'm not counting 2018 because those guys have played only 1 year) Only 8 of those are franchise QB material: Wilson, Foles, Carr, Luck, Wentz, Watson, Goff, and Mahomes. So let's say Wilson, Luck, and Mahomes are better. We can argue if Dak is not better than all the rest. He has 1 Pro Bowl selection... the same amount that Goff and Wentz and Carr has.

Bottom line, great QBs are hard to find. We can invest a first round draft pick on a QB, but there's only a 25% chance he's not a bust according to recent NFL Draft stats. You're gonna chance a franchise on 25% chance? The alternative - to get rid of Dak - is much riskier than keeping him. It's a safe bet going into next year knowing you at least have a QB that can give you a chance of winning.

A quarter of those selections are already out of the NFL, another percentage isn't gonna take another snap again, and the rest are 3rd stringers, with a few of those being back-ups with primarily mop-up duties. I'm just simply being realistic here.

Thank you brother you have renewed my faith in the forum , Great Post . I just don't understand with the total and complete lack of preparation for the inevitable retirement of Tony Romo Some peoples reaction to Dak

The guy was thrown in as a rookie and did everything in his skill set to try and win for us and has continued to do so . He is not a great passer but is progressing at a faster rate than most in his draft class .
Why do they refuse to give him time . We are still making the playoffs while he is learning .

What most don't even want to face is the true reality that Jerry loves this kid and all the intangibles he has . Jerry loves he got him in the 4th and he is better than Lynch, Hackenberg , Kessler , Brissett and Cook . Its Jerrys hobby make this kid a franchise QB and show the league how smart he is like he did Tony . Jerry is on a mission and will do everything in his power to make this guy successful. We had Romo friendly now it will be Dak friendly

They can jump up and down scream and holler Bench Race all there wants and dislikes IN THE END JERRYS WORD IS LAW AND DAK IS OUR QB

 

[Nav22]

thank you Zeke for all you do....that's how....10-1 when Zeke does well. 1-6 when zeke struggles. doesn't matter how many yards Dak threw in the game in losses or wins.

LOL it’s cute that you think a RB wins games on his own without strong QB play. Dak’s numbers confirm how well he’s played.

“Adrian Peterson and Barry Sanders were scrubs after all!!! Troy Aikman SUCKED!!!”

 

[CWR]

I understand. People can and do change but y'all think they can't. I guess that's why the world will always be like it is because people don't believe those who have done certain wrongs like in this case can ever change. Y'all all are entitled to your pov and I can't change it but wish yall would be more open. If you can't I don't agree but understand from your pov

Yes people can change. I actually believe that as well. People truly changing the core of their character though is VERY rare. Which is why its easy to be sceptical from the outside.

Maybe its more of a question of forgiveness? Clearly you are willing to forgive him. My question now is how far does your forgiveness go? If someone raped or molested a loved one, but then "changed" would you have the capacity to forgive them? Could that person still be considered "a good person" after committing such inhumane and intolerable acts?

 

[Blackrain]

What did you see this season to make you think Dak doesn't need compitition and can't be challenged for a starting position?

I don't see anyone on the roster to challenge him . Do we use resources to get someone in FA if so who?? Or is that money better spent on a NT, Safety or TE

My money says Jerry is happy with Dak and invests in the roster to help him rather than waste money trying to challenge him.

 

[Whyjerry]

None of that helped but SL, JG, and Dak doubled down on there is no need for #1 WR. So really I blame all three.

What are you babbling about? Dak had no vote on the receiving corps. That is all FO and Garrett/Linehan.