Dak and his interceptions

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This isn’t an anti-Dak thread. He clearly is the one that can take us all the way, or an early exit depending on his play.

The disturbing pattern for me is that the interceptions seem to only be occurring when we are deep in our own territory. Often right before end of the half.

While it sucks to turn the ball over when you could have put points on the board. To me it is even worse when you do so where the opposing team can get easy points.

I guess my question is. What psychologically is different for him in this situation? Is he trying to be over cautious and therefore allowing DBs to jump routes. Or is he trying to force things that aren’t there, realizing that punting from deep in your own territory is poor field position management. Is it the play calls themselves being different?

He has never learned to just throw it away when it’s not there. Can they teach him to run more in those situations?

Does anyone see the same thing, and can better explain it. Or is it just coincidence?

I think the overall problem with Dak is he is a one read QB; if his primary receiver is covered then he goes to his safety valve...if he doesn't have one, he has problems and will force it into his primary receiver which explains throwing into coverage. He does not run much so that is another problem. Of course he also has a scatter arm, not consistent. And then not of his own fault, he has the poorest route running receivers who cannot create much separation if any. Thus the inconsistent Cowboys start with him.
 

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is that fair though, maybe, maybe not. If Dak had 31 TDs, he would still be torn to shreds in the media, maybe deservedly. It comes with being the Cowboys QB which with CF for Yankees, Goalie for Montreal Canadiens and centre for the Celtics is the hardest position in pro sports
No...he would not remotely be torn to shreads if he had 31 TDs and 9 ints
Come on, that's great in any book
14 and 9 on the other hand......less than half as good.

fwiw, I think Dak will end up just fine….maybe 23 and 12
The Jags have a horrendous pass D, so that would be a great place to start a roll
 
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Simply pointing out that at this point Hurts has better passing and rushing numbers. Is there a forum where we can post about past years performances and pretend that they are current?
I’m sure the Eagles have a forum somewhere, although it doesn’t seem like it since y’all all are so secure you spend your time trolling a QB that beats you with regularity
 

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This isn’t an anti-Dak thread. He clearly is the one that can take us all the way, or an early exit depending on his play.

The disturbing pattern for me is that the interceptions seem to only be occurring when we are deep in our own territory. Often right before end of the half.

While it sucks to turn the ball over when you could have put points on the board. To me it is even worse when you do so where the opposing team can get easy points.

I guess my question is. What psychologically is different for him in this situation? Is he trying to be over cautious and therefore allowing DBs to jump routes. Or is he trying to force things that aren’t there, realizing that punting from deep in your own territory is poor field position management. Is it the play calls themselves being different?

He has never learned to just throw it away when it’s not there. Can they teach him to run more in those situations?

Does anyone see the same thing, and can better explain it. Or is it just coincidence?


It's not Dak's fault when he's hit while throwing the ball or a receiver doesn't run the right route.

So for the interceptions that WERE Dak's fault, this is a great question.
 

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Right...skill and talent makes the ball deflect off the wr's hands.

Did you miss the dimes on the 98 yard drive last game?
Right .... Do you realize against a better team that 98 yard drive is not gonna get it done because they would be behind two scores. That int that Dak threw was a massive self inflicted choke. Just like that cardinal and Denver game last year except those teams weren't the worst team in the league.
 

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Why are you asking me to define what a fan and real fan are? I’m confused. Do you really not know or testing my perspective?

Go look at my posts history. I’ve got nothing to hide.
I am asking you because you are throwing around the term willy nilly. Acting like you are better fan.

"like a real fan". you said.

So you apparently know what a "real fan" is....you get to define it here. You know, 'cause you get to say what is or isn;t.
 

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Simply pointing out that at this point Hurts has better passing and rushing numbers. Is there a forum where we can post about past years performances and pretend that they are current?
no you were we know what you were doing. Anyway back to reality.
 

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QBs really need to be at 2 or 3 to 1 in TDs:Ints.
14:9 is nowhere near that.
Needs to clean it up!
what was the Stafford SB year, 17 INTs how was that ratio..go back and find Troys yearly, not great look at his career 165 tds 144 ints howd that be, do the numbers hows that ratio??,, Pmanning and Farve almost always had very high INT ratio..your point???, Elis won few sbs not being perfect.

we all see the dang Nts and half are not on him, hes experiencing some bad luck with poor routes, PIs not called, him being hit, chased from the pocket, throwing on the run etc etc etc sometimes you have year like this , this isnt usual dak, 37 tds to 10 ints last year..like i said i watch the games like everyone else and almost half have been dumb luck with many reason not dak forcing balls a lot, I like him being more aggressive and trying to make bigger plays.. yes hes ben more aggressive this year but don't bring that tired azz troll type stats and say what it should be and clean it up..the knock on dak used to be he waited too long for Wrs to be college open and held the ball too long and now hes attempted to throw to spots get rid of it faster, throw soem into converges to allow wr to make pays and its not worked out few times.

sometimes this happens unlucky bounces, no call on Pis that cause an INT, being run into, arm hit while throwing,. top at the line , wr run routes poorly and allows a DB to cut under passes , etc etc

not making excuses those are facts. we all watch all the games and see the breakdowns and i see half those not being on dak,.,.they are hung on him but there are reasons for them not just being reckless with the ball.

Let calm down on daks INT when we have seen some of the best have soem bad luck at times and it its what it is.
 

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what was the Stafford SB year, 17 INTs how was that ratio..go back and find Troys yearly, not great look at his career 165 tds 144 ints howd that be, do the numbers hows that ratio??,, Pmanning and Farve almost always had very high INT ratio..your point???, Elis won few sbs not being perfect.

we all see the dang Nts and half are not on him, hes experiencing some bad luck with poor routes, PIs not called, him being hit, chased from the pocket, throwing on the run etc etc etc sometimes you have year like this , this isnt usual dak, 37 tds to 10 ints last year..like i said i watch the games like everyone else and almost half have been dumb luck with many reason not dak forcing balls a lot, I like him being more aggressive and trying to make bigger plays.. yes hes ben more aggressive this year but don't bring that tired azz troll type stats and say what it should be and clean it up..the knock on dak used to be he waited too long for Wrs to be college open and held the ball too long and now hes attempted to throw to spots get rid of it faster, throw soem into converges to allow wr to make pays and its not worked out few times.

sometimes this happens unlucky bounces, no call on Pis that cause an INT, being run into, arm hit while throwing,. top at the line , wr run routes poorly and allows a DB to cut under passes , etc etc

not making excuses those are facts. we all watch all the games and see the breakdowns and i see half those not being on dak,.,.they are hung on him but there are reasons for them not just being reckless with the ball.

Let calm down on daks INT when we have seen some of the best have soem bad luck at times and it its what it is.
Stafford's ratio was very good last year. 41 TDs and 17 ints....a +24....near the top in the league. A whopping +30 including the playoffs. That November was ugly at the time though...imo.

But for 2021 Stafford, more importantly, he was the only QB in the NFL history to go the entire regular season and playoffs without a single 4th quarter interception. He did have one dropped in a playoff...lol.
He had the highest 4th quarter rating and ratio in the league...by far.

As for Dak, I'm not overly concerned. Throwing tons of pick is not really his MO, as he has historically been risk averse and a throw when he sees it passer.
He might not have another 2 pick game the rest of the year, including playoffs.
He is better than his stats show this year...imo.
 
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No...he would not remotely be torn to shreads if he had 31 TDs and 9 ints
Come on, that's great in any book
14 and 9 on the other hand......less than half as good.

fwiw, I think Dak will end up just fine….maybe 23 and 12
The Jags have a horrendous pass D, so that would be a great place to start a roll
right, 23-12 a very common troy Aikman stat,, Dak missed games, being run heavy many games. Just a slightly off year but lie you said his contribution to this offense form being true passing threat vs Rush since hes returned isn't showing up in his personal stats, we are improved far more than those numbers will play out.. its helped the run game, opened up the play book, and gets other pay calls a more successful outcome.
 

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right, 23-12 a very common troy Aikman stat,, Dak missed games, being run heavy many games. Just a slightly off year but lie you said his contribution to this offense form being true passing threat vs Rush since hes returned isn't showing up in his personal stats, we are improved far more than those numbers will play out.. its helped the run game, opened up the play book, and gets other pay calls a more successful outcome.
Aikman played in a different era when defenses could be a lot more handsy. If a defensive back touches a receiver then a flag could be thrown these days. It's not really accurate and fair to compare the stats of quarterbacks from 30 years ago with the current pass happy and offensively friendly league in my opinion.

I remember you previously laughed at my post when I commented that I would rather have Hurts on a rookie contract (we could have drafted him in the 2nd round over Diggs) than Prescott on $40 million a year. Would you still want Prescott?
 

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Hurts (13 games)
22 TDs
10 rushing TD
3 Interceptions

Prescott (8 games)
14 TDs
1 rushing TD
9 Interceptions
 

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right, 23-12 a very common troy Aikman stat,, Dak missed games, being run heavy many games. Just a slightly off year but lie you said his contribution to this offense form being true passing threat vs Rush since hes returned isn't showing up in his personal stats, we are improved far more than those numbers will play out.. its helped the run game, opened up the play book, and gets other pay calls a more successful outcome.
Just to be clear....23-12 in 1995 is light years better than 23-12 in 2022.
And yeah, I know that you know this, but just clarifying.

Completely and totally unrelated.
If you want to compare QBs from a different era with different rules and offensive designs, then compare them to their peers in the same years or era.
Again, I realize that you are savvy enough to know this.
 

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Real Cowboys fans watched the whole game and not just the last 2 mins like some of you Dallas Prescott fans seemed to do Sunday.

Whoa! Kind of rude to call out how fans watch games.

Did you want to be engaged in some kind of competition on dissecting all-22 or providing live commentary to the plays to prove fandom?

You may have your opinion. But sort of a bit of an over reach to claim others aren't "real" fans.
 

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It is a change in the coaching approach. They've commented multiple times in interviews about scoring mode TDs. Kellen Moore said a solution to redzone issues is to score before you get into the redzone.

This season in general has had an obvious more aggressive approach. It came from studying past seasons and from analytics.

In earlier years Dak was very conservative in the 1st half. He was only become aggressive if they were behind in the 2nd half.

Statistically the INTs have flipped. They're now in the first half but were primarily in the 2nd half in earlier years.

CeeDee is still a work in progress with regards to route running, especially option routes.

In the Romo/Dez days they abandoned option routes for Dez because he never mastered them. He never mastered route running in general. Romo would just run around waiting for Dez to get slightly open and then throw up a jump ball.

Romo somewhat emulated the Staubach style.

Dak emulates the Aikman style which requires structured route running. It why Dez was a bad fit with Dak but Cooper was a good fit.

OBJ and TY Hilton are quality route runners which is why the Cowboys were interested in them.

I don't know how to add multiple likes, but this is clearly what I have been seeing this year to date.

A change in philosophy, and a challenge to Dak to dig into a different set of tools - the timing based game.
 

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He has regressed this season. Continuing the downward trend from the 2nd half of last season. His career trajectory is extremely concerning.
Yet he has not coming off broken hand LMAO.. right regressed you mean aided in first half was Rush bottom 10 offense, since hes been back 7-1 and top 5 offense..stats don't matter remember????

i thought his big stats from years past are all padding he stats(even though our defense forced a wide open 30+ point to win type situations) and only winning matters. when rush was playing i remember saying no ugly wins win by point that's the goal , to win.. Daks a 14point blown 4tyh qtr lead the defense choked form being undefeated since his return and only 2 losses on the season..

wow, such regression at 10-3 we are in big trouble. a 98 yard near perfect GW drive is just down right Jag like. its team game BUD also add in things out of his control like ppr routes, PIs not called, tipped passes, questionable play calls, OL shaky especially pass blocking, fumbled punt, and defense actually regressed as well from that 6-game stretch early in the year. I mean No sacks and not much championship like d last game. or the GB game, bears game, and other in game leaking D. sure all dak.

TEAM GAME, 10-3 Moving on.
 

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Yet he has not coming off broken hand LMAO.. right regressed you mean aided in first half was Rush bottom 10 offense, since hes been back 7-1 and top 5 offense..stats don't matter remember????

i thought his big stats from years past are all padding he stats(even though our defense forced a wide open 30+ point to win type situations) and only winning matters. when rush was playing i remember saying no ugly wins win by point that's the goal , to win.. Daks a 14point blown 4tyh qtr lead the defense choked form being undefeated since his return and only 2 losses on the season..

wow, such regression at 10-3 we are in big trouble. a 98 yard near perfect GW drive is just down right Jag like. its team game BUD also add in things out of his control like ppr routes, PIs not called, tipped passes, questionable play calls, OL shaky especially pass blocking, fumbled punt, and defense actually regressed as well from that 6-game stretch early in the year. I mean No sacks and not much championship like d last game. or the GB game, bears game, and other in game leaking D. sure all dak.

TEAM GAME, 10-3 Moving on.
He has regressed this season; anyone denying that is blind to reality
BUT let me guess: ALL those picks ARE SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT, RIGHT?
something is different this season and its not a good one
Dak has up to this point in his career been very good at keeping his Int numbers down.

By the way just in case you did not notice you got owned about Stafford
 

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Those wondering about where fault lies with picks may want to keep this simple rule of thumb in mind

Over time (maybe not in just one game, but over time) dropped picks by defenders usually balance out with picks thrown that maybe were not the QBs fault.
 
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