Dak beats Herbert in accuracy challenge

[Rockport]

Dak is wonderful against bad teams and plays elite football when facing them. Those are great traits to have if the whole season will be games against teams that make up the bottom 1/3 of the league.

Dak obsessed troll.

 

[Rockport]

He is a top five poster on this board.

Agree, top 5 worst.

 

[Vtwin]

Their logic makes no sense lol….

This seems like a strange hill to die on.
Are you intentionally ignoring the facts just to maintain the position that "Dak inherited a 4 win team" and the obvious implication?

Yes. As you said, "factually it is true". That is a very lazy oversimplification, though.

Compare the rosters of the 14, 15 and 16 teams. Pay particular attention to the differences between 14 & 15, then between 15 & 16.

I think you'll begin to understand why you get called out for implying that Dak had to work with a 4-12 team.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This seems like a strange hill to die on.
Are you intentionally ignoring the facts just to maintain the position that "Dak inherited a 4 win team" and the obvious implication?

Yes. As you said, "factually it is true". That is a very lazy oversimplification, though.

Compare the rosters of the 14, 15 and 16 teams. Pay particular attention to the differences between 14 & 15, then between 15 & 16.

I think you'll begin to understand why you get called out for implying that Dak had to work with a 4-12 team.

He did have to work with a 4 win a team. A team that couldn’t win unless they had Romo…..Matt Cassell won 11 games with the Patriots. Gets to Dallas and is completely lost. You think it’s just a coincidence? That’s what having Bellicheat does for you and what having Garrett did.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You are comparing apple and oranges to trying to prove your point. Your jumping from wins and losses to stacked or not stacked. Your logic is: they had only 4 wins so they werent stacked. Thats just not true. So stop using this argument.

You remember that our starting QB (Romo) hurt his shoulder/collarbone twice and missed 12 games in 2015 ?
Romo was 3-1 when he played. Our backups were Weeden and Cassel who all lost but one game.
Dez Bryant got hurt in game one also.

We all know you cant judge the team by their record this year. It is well documented. So please stop using this as a reason the roster wasnt stacked.

Now in 2015 we drafted Byron Jones, Chaz Green (who was a good backup OG until we missused him in the Falcons game), Gregory, Wilson and Swaim.

In 2016 we drafted our RB. That was the missing part to our offense. The offense was stacked. Witten and Bryant were not at the top of their game but still very good. The downfall of Bryant came after Dak started and wasnt able to throw the back shoulder fade with what Bryant made his living of.
Our OL was considered the best or at least the second best in the NFL. We had 3 All Pros in 2015 alone at the OL. Our Punter was also all Pro. Sean Lee was making the Pro Bowl.

Our #2 and #3 WRs were Beasley (considered to be one of the best slot receivers at this time) and Williams. Together with Witten at TE that is a very good receiving corps.
Our backfield was Clayborne, Carr, Church, Byron Jones and Heath. OK Heath was bad. But the rest was very good.
Our DL and LBs were at least good.

So please dont tell me this wasnt a stacked roster.

McFadden rushed for 1k yards and didn’t even start every game. The offensive line was giving him holes. Was he Zeke? No. But to imply that Zeke is why we went from 4 wins to 12 is a stretch. A lie at that.

Corners were stacked now? Y’all will say anything lol. So if you think that unit was stacked what do you think about talent like Bosa? Or Keenen Allen? Or Ekeler?

The receivers were pedestrian. Most of them were out of the league a year or two after 2016….Beasley was a limited slot receiver. He was not considered one of the best WTH?

Answer this for me. If the team was so stacked and he inherited a championship team where were the championships?

And to imply such a lie that means you thought Dak inherited a championship head coach? Jason Garrett?

 

[Ranched]

Dak obsessed troll.

Amazing how some forgot Dak defeated both Wodgers & Worthlisberger in their house in his rookie season w/Garrett & Linehan.

 

[Swagger]

Amazing how some forgot Dak defeated both Wodgers & Worthlisberger in their house in his rookie season w/Garrett & Linehan.

Yeah he did it all on his own without Zeke being the main reason for winning both games!

 

[Vtwin]

He did have to work with a 4 win a team. A team that couldn’t win unless they had Romo…..Matt Cassell won 11 games with the Patriots. Gets to Dallas and is completely lost. You think it’s just a coincidence? That’s what having Bellicheat does for you and what having Garrett did.

Arguably the most delusional take I've ever read on this forum. Especially since all the relevant facts are easy to see.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Arguably the most delusional take I've ever read on this forum. Especially since all the relevant facts are easy to see.

Imagine thinking Garrett sucks and Bellicheat is a great coach is the most delusional thing you’ve heard. You probably can’t read to begin with if that’s the case.

 

[TwentyOne]

McFadden rushed for 1k yards and didn’t even start every game. The offensive line was giving him holes. Was he Zeke? No. But to imply that Zeke is why we went from 4 wins to 12 is a stretch. A lie at that.

In the begining talking with you i thought you were just trying to prove your opinion regardless of what reasons i gave you.
But now i really have the opinion that you are just not able to understand. And really have an reading issue.

Just for the record. I never implied that Zeke was the reason. Its really boring right now to repeat again what i tried to explain to you really slowly and with chosen words.

Our roster was stacked in 2015 and 2016. The gobal believe in 2016 was that we only needed a RB to be able to win a SB. RB was the last missing piece of the offense. That is not my opinion but the opinion of the coaching staff and our FO.
Our discussion was about a stacked roster. And 2016 was a winning season because of that stacked roster, not because of a RB.

But i will leave it here. Lost time to speak with you. Other then to diminish others you dont seem to have anything valueable to say.

 

[Shane612]

Next stop for Dak…HOF!

I hope this was sarcasm.

 

[Shane612]

and another Dak sucks thread go figure

No. It's not that.
It's Dak vs Herbert.

 

[Shane612]

When has Dak imploded under pressure? Name the games. I'll wait.

He usually starts the season okay. Then somewhere after 5-7 games he starts to fizzle out.
The fizzle is gradual enough to not call it an "implosion".

 

[Shane612]

Did you not watch the last game of the season featuring Dak and his benny hill slide to end the game because he was too afraid to throw the ball?

Oh, I forgot about that game... Silly me.
I hate it when the defense plays well enough to win, but your QB can't get over the hump.

 

[Shane612]

The point is...Recent tape proves Dak was more efficient in a QB throwing competition than Herbert.

What tape?
Just curious.
For the record, I do think Herbert has bigger upside than Prescott, but not by that much.

 

[Vtwin]

Imagine thinking Garrett sucks and Bellicheat is a great coach is the most delusional thing you’ve heard. You probably can’t read to begin with if that’s the case.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the team Dak had in 2016 was essentially the same team Romo had in 2014, which was essentially the same team that went 4-12 in 2015. Dak arguably had the best team of the three with Zeke running wild and the O- line playing at its highest level. Your assertion that Dak turned around a 4-12 team is ridiculous.

 

[America's Cowboy]

What tape?
Just curious.
For the record, I do think Herbert has bigger upside than Prescott, but not by that much.

Did you not watch both teams' QB throwing challenge? What evidence do you have to support Herbert being better than Dak?

 

[Shane612]

Did you not watch both teams' QB throwing challenge? What evidence do you have to support Herbert being better than Dak?

No. I didn't see it.
It's not that important to me.

 

[zrinkill]

I would hope so ...... Dak has been doing this a lot longer.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In the begining talking with you i thought you were just trying to prove your opinion regardless of what reasons i gave you.
But now i really have the opinion that you are just not able to understand. And really have an reading issue.

Just for the record. I never implied that Zeke was the reason. Its really boring right now to repeat again what i tried to explain to you really slowly and with chosen words.

Our roster was stacked in 2015 and 2016. The gobal believe in 2016 was that we only needed a RB to be able to win a SB. RB was the last missing piece of the offense. That is not my opinion but the opinion of the coaching staff and our FO.
Our discussion was about a stacked roster. And 2016 was a winning season because of that stacked roster, not because of a RB.

But i will leave it here. Lost time to speak with you. Other then to diminish others you dont seem to have anything valueable to say.

You keep repeating the same thing over and over again without acknowledging the team was not stacked.

You refuse to answer my question but I'll answer again....

I don't care what the global said. I don't care what the fans said. I don't care what the "experts" said.

There was nothing "championship worthy" or "stacked" about a team that only won 4 games. Yes, I'm well aware Romo got hurt. But that's no excuse to lose all your damn games. Wentz got hurt and the Eagles won a SB. But you guys....and I guess its because of this braintrust in Dallas but you guys believe that if Romo got hurt that's a viable excuse to only win 4 games or 1 without him. Its not. A "Stacked" team wins more than 4 games regardless of who gets hurt. Look around the league. No other team uses that excuse to have a won 4 win season.


I don't "diminish" others. Let's discuss what this really is. There's a fanbase on this site..and I say "fanbase" loosely , that have a issue with anyone who speaks anything positive about Dak. I did not diminish anyones opinion so not sure where you even got that from or why you're playing victim. You disagree? Fair enough. But my opinion isn't any less valuable than yours because its different. Its insulting to assume I didn't understand your very basic point. Its not that I didn't understand its that I don't agree with it. Everything you've stated has been opinion based. Nothing factual.