Dak beats Herbert in accuracy challenge

[TheMarathonContinues]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the team Dak had in 2016 was essentially the same team Romo had in 2014, which was essentially the same team that went 4-12 in 2015. Dak arguably had the best team of the three with Zeke running wild and the O- line playing at its highest level. Your assertion that Dak turned around a 4-12 team is ridiculous.

I said he took over a 4 win team. I didn't say he turned around a 4 win team. He took over it. He deserves the same credit you are attempting to give Herbert. There's nothing different. If you think the Cowboys were "stacked" and QB friendly then I don't get how you can't think the same about the Chargers with KEenen Allen who's widely considered the best route runner in the league. Dak didn't have anyone close to that his rookie year as a receiver.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No. I didn't see it.
It's not that important to me.

Ok, so don't be spreading lies. It's not cool, especially against the franchise QB of your supposed team.

 

[Shane612]

Ok, so don't be spreading lies. It's not cool, especially against the franchise QB of your supposed team.

I've never believed Dak was ever a franchises QB. NEVER!

 

[America's Cowboy]

I've never believed Dak was ever a franchises QB. NEVER!

 

[Vtwin]

I said he took over a 4 win team. I didn't say he turned around a 4 win team. He took over it. He deserves the same credit you are attempting to give Herbert. There's nothing different. If you think the Cowboys were "stacked" and QB friendly then I don't get how you can't think the same about the Chargers with KEenen Allen who's widely considered the best route runner in the league. Dak didn't have anyone close to that his rookie year as a receiver.

Lol
I never said a thing about Herbert, or the Chargers. I never used the weird "stacked". Maybe it's you who needs to learn how to read?

Dak took over a team that had what most considered the best o-line in the league, arguably the best running back in the league and the same group of receivers that had been part of one of the must prolific offenses in the league. Dak came into an absolute best case scenario for a rookie QB. Your regular attempts to puff Dak up by saying, "Dak took over a 4 win team" are ridiculous. Dak took over a playoff team with a very good offense in place, which was derailed by injuries the previous season.

Like I said, strange hill to die on....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol
I never said a thing about Herbert, or the Chargers. I never used the weird "stacked". Maybe it's you who needs to learn how to read?

Dak took over a team that had what most considered the best o-line in the league, arguably the best running back in the league and the same group of receivers that had been part of one of the must prolific offenses in the league. Dak came into an absolute best case scenario for a rookie QB. Your regular attempts to puff Dak up by saying, "Dak took over a 4 win team" are ridiculous. Dak took over a playoff team with a very good offense in place, which was derailed by injuries the previous season.

Like I said, strange hill to die on....

Dak took over a 4 win team. Show me where he didn’t and I’ll concede it. You can’t….if Cowboys were a championship ready team than so was Herbert….yeah I thought it was you who I was debating with but is the other poster. You butted into a conversation that had nothing to do with you which is typical.

 

[Vtwin]

Dak took over a 4 win team. Show me where he didn’t and I’ll concede it. You can’t….if Cowboys were a championship ready team than so was Herbert….yeah I thought it was you who I was debating with but is the other poster. You butted into a conversation that had nothing to do with you which is typical.

You and I have been around on this before. You regularly reference Dak taking over a 4 win team as evidence that he had started on a bad team when in fact he had one of the best offensive rosters in the league. A championship caliber offense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You and I have been around on this before. You regularly reference Dak taking over a 4 win team as evidence that he had started on a bad team when in fact he had one of the best offensive rosters in the league. A championship caliber offense.

No Jason Garrett lead team is championship worthy.

His "Championship weapons" included:
Zeke - Great young back at the time. Solid pass blocker and runner. A QB's dream.
Witten - He was so great he retired a season later.
Dez - he also was so great that he too got forced into retirement essentially.
Cole Beasley - limited and undersized receiver. Solid guy but a dime a dozen slot receiver in the vein of Amendola, etc.
Brice Butler - So great that he too would shortly retire.
Terrence Williams - So great that yes......he would RETIRE shortly after.

Where are the championship weapons?

 

[Tarheelcowboy]

Well, Herbert is voted higher in the top 100! dak 44 and Herbert 40 ! So the people that play against them disagree that Dak is better!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I've never believed Dak was ever a franchises QB. NEVER!

well, there are a lot of franchise QBs. doesn't mean they are good. but, what you probably meant, he is not elite....perhaps in your mind he is average....but he is a franchise QB, the contract and money say so.....almost 2/3 of the league is got one of those guys.

 

[Vtwin]

No Jason Garrett lead team is championship worthy.

His "Championship weapons" included:
Zeke - Great young back at the time. Solid pass blocker and runner. A QB's dream.
Witten - He was so great he retired a season later.
Dez - he also was so great that he too got forced into retirement essentially.
Cole Beasley - limited and undersized receiver. Solid guy but a dime a dozen slot receiver in the vein of Amendola, etc.
Brice Butler - So great that he too would shortly retire.
Terrence Williams - So great that yes......he would RETIRE shortly after.

Where are the championship weapons?

Ranked 5th overall. 2nd in rushing. Essentially the same roster as the 12 win 2014 team but with even better o-line production and an even more explosive running game.

As usual, you are obfuscating in a desperate attempt to be right. You find anything you think you can use in a response, take it out of context, then obsess on it while ignoring every other tree in the forest. In this case you are stuck on the word "championship". Both the 2014 team and the 2016 team finished with their offenses in the top 5. Fact. You can argue whether that makes them championship potential offenses all you want. It doesn't change the fact that both offenses were right up there with the best in the league. In spite of this, you keep on using the aberrational year of 2015, to keep implying that the offense Dak took over was a bad offense because of the team record. while ignoring every single factor that went in to that aberrational 4-12 record.

Dak walked into a very, very good situation for a rookie QB to start in. The Cowboys were considered SB contenders right up until Romo went down, because of the offense. Defense was the question mark which many thought would hold them back but it was pretty much universally thought that the offense was legit, and a top contender.

Turns out, that thinking was correct. The offense was so good that a rookie QB could come in and the team would finish with 13 wins with the rookie QB finishing 30th in pass attempts.

Seems pretty foolish to stick to your mantra of, Dak took over a bad team, but it's your hill. Die on it if you wish.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ranked 5th overall. 2nd in rushing. Essentially the same roster as the 12 win 2014 team but with even better o-line production and an even more explosive running game.

As usual, you are obfuscating in a desperate attempt to be right. You find anything you think you can use in a response, take it out of context, then obsess on it while ignoring every other tree in the forest. In this case you are stuck on the word "championship". Both the 2014 team and the 2016 team finished with their offenses in the top 5. Fact. You can argue whether that makes them championship potential offenses all you want. It doesn't change the fact that both offenses were right up there with the best in the league. In spite of this, you keep on using the aberrational year of 2015, to keep implying that the offense Dak took over was a bad offense because of the team record. while ignoring every single factor that went in to that aberrational 4-12 record.

Dak walked into a very, very good situation for a rookie QB to start in. The Cowboys were considered SB contenders right up until Romo went down, because of the offense. Defense was the question mark which many thought would hold them back but it was pretty much universally thought that the offense was legit, and a top contender.

Turns out, that thinking was correct. The offense was so good that a rookie QB could come in and the team would finish with 13 wins with the rookie QB finishing 30th in pass attempts.

Seems pretty foolish to stick to your mantra of, Dak took over a bad team, but it's your hill. Die on it if you wish.

Was the team good in 2015? Yes or no?

 

[Vtwin]

Was the team good in 2015? Yes or no?

This is your problem. You oversimplify to try and make a point while ignoring the many relative details. That question can not be adequately answered with a simple yes or no. It's essentially the same thing as judging a player solely on year end, or career stats.

The same team that won 12 games in 2014, suffered key injuries, and lost a step in the running game with the departure of Murray after his 1st team all-pro year.


The 2015 team was the same team as the (good) 2014 team that suffered to many setbacks to overcome. You don't remember most of the mediots, going into 2016, talking high expectations for the Cowboys with a healthy team and a young stud at RB? You are the only person I can think of that clings to this foolishness of "Dak took over a bad team".

Imagine thinking a rookie QB came in and lead a bad team to a 13 win season while throwing less passes than 29 other teams did. lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This is your problem. You oversimplify to try and make a point while ignoring the many relative details. That question can not be adequately answered with a simple yes or no. It's essentially the same thing as judging a player solely on year end, or career stats.

The same team that won 12 games in 2014, suffered key injuries, and lost a step in the running game with the departure of Murray after his 1st team all-pro year.


The 2015 team was the same team as the (good) 2014 team that suffered to many setbacks to overcome. You don't remember most of the mediots, going into 2016, talking high expectations for the Cowboys with a healthy team and a young stud at RB? You are the only person I can think of that clings to this foolishness of "Dak took over a bad team".

Imagine thinking a rookie QB came in and lead a bad team to a 13 win season while throwing less passes than 29 other teams did. lol

Was the team good in 2015? Why won’t you answer the question? Did they not win one game when Romo went down? That ain’t a championship team…..

 

[Vtwin]

Was the team good in 2015? Why won’t you answer the question? Did they not win one game when Romo went down? That ain’t a championship team…..

I did answer the question. You literally quoted the answer. Apparently you didn't comprehend it or else you wouldn't keep asking the same question over and over.

Dak didn't take over the same injured and depleted team that won 4 games. He took over a healthy team with a bolstered running game and the best o-line some say the Cowboys have ever fielded.

Do you not remember all the talk of SB potential surrounding the Cowboys going into the 2016 season, prior to Romo's injury? That was based on the big picture. The run in 2014. The acknowledgment of the legitimate reasons for the falloff in 2015 and the acknowledgement of the improvements made. You don't remember any of that?

In 2016 Dak had the best version of the great o-line group we had from 2014-2019. He had the best RB in his best season of that same era. He had the same weapons as the 12 win 2014 team did. Hell, he even had a statistically good run defense backing him up.

Ultimately the defense, especially the pass defense, would be the weak link but in every other aspect the 2016 team Dak had was the best team from 2014-2018. After that it gets more debatable because the o-line started to weaken but the receiving group improved.

But yea, you have to ignore a heck of a lot of factors and facts to come to the conclusion that Dak started his career on a legit 4-12 level bad team.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I did answer the question. You literally quoted the answer. Apparently you didn't comprehend it or else you wouldn't keep asking the same question over and over.

Dak didn't take over the same injured and depleted team that won 4 games. He took over a healthy team with a bolstered running game and the best o-line some say the Cowboys have ever fielded.

Do you not remember all the talk of SB potential surrounding the Cowboys going into the 2016 season, prior to Romo's injury? That was based on the big picture. The run in 2014. The acknowledgment of the legitimate reasons for the falloff in 2015 and the acknowledgement of the improvements made. You don't remember any of that?

In 2016 Dak had the best version of the great o-line group we had from 2014-2019. He had the best RB in his best season of that same era. He had the same weapons as the 12 win 2014 team did. Hell, he even had a statistically good run defense backing him up.

Ultimately the defense, especially the pass defense, would be the weak link but in every other aspect the 2016 team Dak had was the best team from 2014-2018. After that it gets more debatable because the o-line started to weaken but the receiving group improved.

But yea, you have to ignore a heck of a lot of factors and facts to come to the conclusion that Dak started his career on a legit 4-12 level bad team.

I’m not reading all of that ****….

 

[Vtwin]

I’m not reading all of that ****….

Truth hurts, eh son?
lolololol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Truth hurts, eh son?
lolololol

I don’t know because I didn’t read that **** lol. Not reading paragraphs from a poster like you lol.

 

[Vtwin]

I don’t know because I didn’t read that **** lol. Not reading paragraphs from a poster like you lol.

That's why you are what you are.

Although, we all know you did spend the ten seconds on reading it, and the real reason why you are taking this tact.

lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's why you are what you are.

Although, we all know you did spend the ten seconds on reading it, and the real reason why you are taking this tact.

lol

I swear I didn’t read that post. I’m not proud of that lol….not gloating I just refuse to read a post that long of you regurgitating the same thing you’ve said for the past 3 posts. It’s almost like you copy and paste your posts. I know what to expect.