Dak > Dez

[Diehardblues]

This actually holds water for me: A Cowboys executive told me on Monday morning: “Yeah, it’s fair to say that. Obviously, everything we do around here has to add to the foundation of our franchise guy. We have to give Dak the best opportunity to grow. We will.”

I can see them thinking that way, and I sort of agree with it. There was a disconnect between Dez' and Dak's games.

Except this also suggests they might also overdraft a WR this month, too, for the same reason. That would suck.

Yep. This is Dakotas team now.

We will sink or swim with him.

And I expect us to probably go more on offense early in draft now which was hoping defense would be focus .. at least early.

 

[kskboys]

The QB is the most important position on the team, so yeah, this is blatantly obvious.

 

[G2]

Just like TO and his group of WR's, Dez and his group of WR's, the next group will go through the same cycle.

Hopefully we don't get another drama queen mental diva. I think the staff will consider that.

 

[superonyx]

I imagine - and I admit I'm speculating - that the coaching staff wanted to get the ball to Dez more because he had the greatest big play ability of the receivers, and maybe partially to appease Dez. My belief from watching Dak in 2016, is that his strength is in making the quick decision to get the ball to the open man, and not in waiting for a better opportunity. When he does that he seems to end up forcing things rather than take the sure thing.

My fear is that our struggles last year came from teams playing defense against us the way the Vikings and Giants did the previous year. Teams played a very aggressive style where they jammed everything close and made Dak read downfield ect. Remember how the giants made Dak look twice his rookie year?
I dont blame our struggles on either Dez or Dak and instead on a coaching staff that has not shown the ability to gameplan and scheme to beat this type of defensive scheme.
With Romo you have a football wizard that could change the play at the LOS and snap the ball with 1 second left and make teams pay for wherever they were loading up. We can't expect Dak or anyone to be able to do what Romo did with this offense.
If you notice we never have guys running open. We never have that pass where you wonder where the defender is. Every yard is contested. Every completion is in traffic. I believe this is because we dont have an innovative offensive scheme that creates mismatches and puts guys in the position to succeed.

 

[OmerV]

My fear is that our struggles last year came from teams playing defense against us the way the Vikings and Giants did the previous year. Teams played a very aggressive style where they jammed everything close and made Dak read downfield ect. Remember how the giants made Dak look twice his rookie year?
I dont blame our struggles on either Dez or Dak and instead on a coaching staff that has not shown the ability to gameplan and scheme to beat this type of defensive scheme.
With Romo you have a football wizard that could change the play at the LOS and snap the ball with 1 second left and make teams pay for wherever they were loading up. We can't expect Dak or anyone to be able to do what Romo did with this offense.
If you notice we never have guys running open. We never have that pass where you wonder where the defender is. Every yard is contested. Every completion is in traffic. I believe this is because we dont have an innovative offensive scheme that creates mismatches and puts guys in the position to succeed.

I don't at all think forcing the ball to Dez was the only issue with the offense last year, and you are right that even with the great rookie season Dak had, there were a few defenses that he struggled with - and the whole team struggled with. Other teams adjust to the Cowboys offense, so the Cowboys offense has to adjust as well.

 

[Captain-Crash]

this is what I seen and believe. They gave Dak too much responsibility last year. He has a hard time reading defense but they gave him the ability to change the plays at will. 2016 they just gave him the play and he ran it. He had better protection too which didn't cause him to glitch out in the pocket like 2017. So what I seen was he was getting fooled on defense and panic when he got pressure causing passes to sail and be throw badly. can these issues be fixed, maybe but we don't have an OC or HC with the ability to game plan to help him. So since Moore is going to be his QB coach, he can read the defense for him and tell him what to expect. I guess Rush didn't have the ability last year to read the defense for Dak.

 

[OmerV]

this is what I seen and believe. They gave Dak too much responsibility last year. He has a hard time reading defense but they gave him the ability to change the plays at will. 2016 they just gave him the play and he ran it. He had better protection too which didn't cause him to glitch out in the pocket like 2017. So what I seen was he was getting fooled on defense and panic when he got pressure causing passes to sail and be throw badly. can these issues be fixed, maybe but we don't have an OC or HC with the ability to game plan to help him. So since Moore is going to be his QB coach, he can read the defense for him and tell him what to expect. I guess Rush didn't have the ability last year to read the defense for Dak.

How does someone on the sideline read the defense for the QB in the game?

 

[America's Cowboy]

That is easy to say when he is entering year 3 of 4 year contract if he shows no growth or the returns on making the roster more comfortable for him do not pan out what do they do in year 4.

Dak will improve, so guaranteed he is here to stay. If the roster moves made to feel Dak more comfortable don't pan out, other moves will ensue. Very simple. Be prepared to see Dak stick around for a long time.

 

[817Gill]

Some feel part of the problem last year was Dak feeling pressure to involve Dez, as opposed to his rookie season that started with Dez injured where he focused only on getting the ball to the open man. I don't know if this is a completely valid point of view, but I did feel we tried to force the ball to Dez more last year.

We definitely tried to force feed dez last year. How many sideline outburst about targets did we see in 2016? Dez has always been a strong personality who used passion and athleticism to will his way to success. But under Tony Romo, dez was a rookie/young player and he was brought along by a veteran in romo who had relative success in the league. Romo was always able to get a handle on Dez and calm him down, he could also put the ball exactly where it had to be for Dez to make a play. If you look at Dez’s top 10 touchdown from NFL.com he was guarded 9/10 passes, Tony would just put it on a platter for him in a way only 3 or 4 qbs could do. Now with Dez being the vet and Dak being a young fourth rounder, Dez felt as though he was the leader and needed the offense to flow through him. Too bad he couldn’t see the writing on the wall that we were becoming a run first team and that he needed to perfect his technique in order to be open for a rhythm passer like Dak. Instead he tried to force what used to work and if you don’t adapt you’re done.

 

[birdwells1]

Any franchise would be stupid to pick an aging/limited/highly priced/infantile WR over an up and coming 2nd year QB who has flashed like Dak has if it came down to it.. It's a no brainer, don't care what anyone says. Always build around the QB....whatever he needs! Now it is limited time wise, not saying forever but he gets 3 years minimum after that SENSATIONAL Rookie season. The Jags are still rolling with Bortles and many teams have no QB future right now.

I agree but the problem with me is that I'm not convinced that Dak is a franchise qb. A franchise qb makes people around him better, they don't need pro bowlers at every position to be successful and right now I feel that Dak does. This is the year to prove himself, if we run Zeke into the ground and only throw when we need to then that doesn't prove anything to me.

 

[jrumann59]

And I wonder how anyone would feel if he got released and said he loves everyone in Dallas and understood the team had a tough decision to make. Or how would they feel if he has another season where he leads the team in yardage? Or I wonder how anyone would feel if Hurns puts up a 1,000 yard, 10 TD season? Or I wonder ......

Anyone can make up any future scenario they want, but it is not an argument in the present.

Now let's talk about the present. Before getting released Dez was talking about how much he loved being a Cowboy and he was predicting big things for the team, and after getting cut he is talking about how bad it was. Maybe he was hiding his true feelings before hoping it would help him keep his job and paycheck, or maybe it's sour grapes now. People can take it how they want.

Except Beasley has

Dak will improve, so guaranteed he is here to stay. If the roster moves made to feel Dak more comfortable don't pan out, other moves will ensue. Very simple. Be prepared to see Dak stick around for a long time.

The question is how much improvement does he need to make. He needs to become a passer, unless this defense become the Legion of Boom II he needs to be less young Russell Wilson and more Young Romo

 

[OmerV]

Except Beasley has

The question is how much improvement does he need to make. He needs to become a passer, unless this defense become the Legion of Boom II he needs to be less young Russell Wilson and more Young Romo

Beasley has what?

 

[OmerV]

We definitely tried to force feed dez last year. How many sideline outburst about targets did we see in 2016? Dez has always been a strong personality who used passion and athleticism to will his way to success. But under Tony Romo, dez was a rookie/young player and he was brought along by a veteran in romo who had relative success in the league. Romo was always able to get a handle on Dez and calm him down, he could also put the ball exactly where it had to be for Dez to make a play. If you look at Dez’s top 10 touchdown from NFL.com he was guarded 9/10 passes, Tony would just put it on a platter for him in a way only 3 or 4 qbs could do. Now with Dez being the vet and Dak being a young fourth rounder, Dez felt as though he was the leader and needed the offense to flow through him. Too bad he couldn’t see the writing on the wall that we were becoming a run first team and that he needed to perfect his technique in order to be open for a rhythm passer like Dak. Instead he tried to force what used to work and if you don’t adapt you’re done.

I understand that Dez needed to be a leader, but the offense can't flow through a receiver. It's still on the QB to distribute the ball in the most efficient and effective way possible, and as a leader Dez needed to understand that. I'm not sure he didn't understand it truthfully, but Dez is an emotional guy, and sometimes emotions cloud the judgment.

 

[817Gill]

I understand that Dez needed to be a leader, but the offense can't flow through a receiver. It's still on the QB to distribute the ball in the most efficient and effective way possible, and as a leader Dez needed to understand that. I'm not sure he didn't understand it truthfully, but Dez is an emotional guy, and sometimes emotions cloud the judgment.

Exactly. That’s why he had to go. That and the receiver wall usually starts around 30. Better a year too early than a year too late.

 

[GreenMean69]

another Dez thread

Yep. This is Dakotas team now.

We will sink or swim with him.

And I expect us to probably go more on offense early in draft now which was hoping defense would be focus .. at least early.

You mean Raynes team Its funny Ive only dated two strippers in my life . Thier stage names were Rayne and Dakota

 

[Bleu Star]

This actually holds water for me: A Cowboys executive told me on Monday morning: “Yeah, it’s fair to say that. Obviously, everything we do around here has to add to the foundation of our franchise guy. We have to give Dak the best opportunity to grow. We will.”

I can see them thinking that way, and I sort of agree with it. There was a disconnect between Dez' and Dak's games.

Except this also suggests they might also overdraft a WR this month, too, for the same reason. That would suck.

Lol. I already told y'all. WR is going to be a top priority. It was going to be a top priority weeks ago when I mentioned it and that hasn't changed. I feel it's going to be between Sutton, Ridley(who is moving down), and Moore(who is moving up).

 

[HungryLion]

I agree but the problem with me is that I'm not convinced that Dak is a franchise qb. A franchise qb makes people around him better, they don't need pro bowlers at every position to be successful and right now I feel that Dak does. This is the year to prove himself, if we run Zeke into the ground and only throw when we need to then that doesn't prove anything to me.

I have an honest question.

How many second year QB’s.... make everyone around them better? Even the ones who go on to be franchise QB’s.

 

[birdwells1]

I have an honest question.

How many second year QB’s.... make everyone around them better? Even the ones who go on to be franchise QB’s.

I'll give him that but I need to see him progress as a passer, to me he doesn't see the field good and miss a lot of opportunities. Right now he's not comfortable throwing to the outside wrs and in this offense he's going to need to do that.

 

[kskboys]

another Dez thread



You mean Raynes team Its funny Ive only dated two strippers in my life . Thier stage names were Rayne and Dakota

How long did u date 'em for, like 30 minutes?

 

[GreenMean69]

How long did u date 'em for, like 30 minutes?

would of been the smart thing hahah . But sadly no One of them was over a year. I made the mistake of crapping where you eat. Hard to not mess around with the help when you are working with them all the time. My Uncle owns a bar in Philly Dangerous Curves. When I first got home from the Marines I worked for him for extra cash at the door . THose girls are a special kind of crazy .