Dak doubters

[G2]

Exactly, talent don't matter if the players don't care and the organization is in a funk. Dak is not going up against an elite QB or even an average one. Dak had never not had talent in any given year. The Cowboys have always been stack and he constantly under achieve. This year we got Parson and Diggs is a stud and this Cowboys team is beyond stack. However know one would know who he is if he on on the Eagles or the Lions or any other poverty franchise.

Tonight he did what was expected considering the Eagles are a garbage team. Anything less would be disappointing. He doesn't get any praise for doing what is expected.

This sounds suspiciously familiar.

 

[visionary]

Dak has played great this season and is playing like a top 5 QB

here’s hoping he keeps it up

 

[DallasEast]

Dak is not going up against an elite QB or even an average one.

The media, broadcast commentators and some fans enjoy injecting conversations with inaccurate 'quarterback versus quarterback' analogies. Opposing teams' quarterbacks never share the same field unless it is after the game hugging each other and exchanging jerseys.

And it is rare that the same analog is commonly used for other positions. How often is the analogy 'linebacker versus linebacker' or 'running back versus running back' used? Not as often as QB vs. QB that's for sure.

Quarterbacks face off against opposing defenses, not the other quarterback. I wish stuff about Quarterback A beating Quarterback B would finally stop.

Yeah. They do it with pitchers in baseball too. And it is hilarious to me whenever someone says kickers are dueling each other. "He beat the other kicker with his leg!" lol.

/ranting just to rant

 

[LovinItAll]

The media, broadcast commentators and some fans enjoy injecting conversations with inaccurate 'quarterback versus quarterback' analogies. Opposing teams' quarterbacks never share the same field unless it is after the game hugging each other and exchanging jerseys.

And it is rare that the same analog is commonly used for other positions. How often is the analogy 'linebacker versus linebacker' or 'running back versus running back' used? Not as often as QB vs. QB that's for sure.

Quarterbacks face off against opposing defenses, not the other quarterback. I wish stuff about Quarterback A beating Quarterback B would finally stop.

Yeah. They do it with pitchers in baseball too. And it is hilarious to me whenever someone says kickers are dueling each other. "He beat the other kicker with his leg!" lol.

/ranting just to rant

Football is the ultimate team game. It's much more accurate to say, 'The offense/defense did their job today'.

For example, an NFL offense that puts up 28+ points is supposed to win ~80% of their games. Doesn't mean you can't win with fewer points, but you're supposed to win with 28+. If your team scores 28+ and loses, the offense did their job....look elsewhere for why you lost.

Dak is - at the VERY least - a top 10 QB in the league. He can absolutely lead the right team to a SB win. Can he lead a team that surrenders 30+ most games to a SB? Off course not. No QB can.

Dak is not and has never been the problem in Dallas. Anyone that doesn't understand that Dak is the answer at QB for Dallas (or any other team) just doesn't understand the game.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Football is the ultimate team game. It's much more accurate to say, 'The offense/defense did their job today'.

For example, an NFL offense that puts up 28+ points is supposed to win ~80% of their games. Doesn't mean you can't win with fewer points, but you're supposed to win with 28+. If your team scores 28+ and loses, the offense did their job....look elsewhere for why you lost.

Dak is - at the VERY least - a top 10 QB in the league. He can absolutely lead the right team to a SB win. Can he lead a team that surrenders 30+ most games to a SB? Off course not. No QB can.

Dak is not and has never been the problem in Dallas. Anyone that doesn't understand that Dak is the answer at QB for Dallas (or any other team) just doesn't understand the game.

this 100%

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah that’s not true that it was “only trolls” who had questions about his accuracy. This Walter Football draft profile was very typical of what was being said about him by scouts. Notice that “inconsistent accuracy” is at the top of the list for flaws. I think when you garner all criticism to Dak to the “world of trolls”, not only does it kill any potentially interesting conversations fans may have about Dak, it also undermines and undercuts the hard work Dak has done to improve in areas that were questioned by scouts as a prospect.

He’s worked as hard as anyone ever has whose worn the star and we can’t let that be overshadowed by the troll wars on this board.

https://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2016dprescott.php

Are those the same people that had him ranked as a 4th or 5th round prospect? Those scouts?

I think its safe to say they were wrong.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I mentioned this in another post, but over the last 8 games he has played, Dak has been the most consistent in his mechanics (i.e. footwork) than ever before in his career. This has led to much better passes and consistent play than before. Still needs to work on pocket awareness and ball security but he has improved tremendously in his mechanics over the last 2 seasons compared to when he came into the NFL. He obviously recognized he was not where he needed to be and set out to correct his issues and has worked his tail off especially considering the injury and time to rehab. My hats off to him. It's not easy to correct some of the flaws he had in his mechanics but he has put in the effort to do it and it is paying off.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Are those the same people that had him ranked as a 4th or 5th round prospect? Those scouts?

I think its safe to say they were wrong.

Lol yes they were wrong but the point is, they weren’t trolls. They had legitimate opinions and it was frankly the consensus opinion among expert scouts and analysts. That’s why he was graded a third/fourth round prospect. Plus your position greatly diminishes Dak’s hard work. It’s a slam on Dak. Not everyone that criticizes Dak is a troll for gods sake. Just khiladi and his ilk.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

Most impressive improvement by Dak is his deep ball accuracy. We used to constantly complain about his overthrows or un-catchable deepball but they been spot on this season.

 

[RonnieT24]

Lol yes they were wrong but the point is, they weren’t trolls. They had legitimate opinions and it was frankly the consensus opinion among expert scouts and analysts. That’s why he was graded a third/fourth round prospect. Plus your position greatly diminishes Dak’s hard work. It’s a slam on Dak. Not everyone that criticizes Dak is a troll for gods sake. Just khiladi and his ilk.

Let's just cut to the chase. The main thing that caused Dak to fall to the 4th round was the DUI and the so-called "character concerns." Nobody who had watched that guy carry Mississippi State really believed that he was a mid to low round talent. Leading up to the draft Broadus called him "a better passing Tim Tebow.." Meaning Dak brought everything to the table that Tebow did in terms of leadership, physicality, running ability etc with the added ingredient of being able to make all the NFL throws .. If not for the DUI coming on the heels of the drunken incident in Pensacola Dak is very likely a late first/early second round pick. But scouts and mediots do that to ..ahem... "athletic QBs." They find any excuse they can to knock down their ranking. Even going so far as to suggest that they would do better at another position.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

When THIS guy( Orlovsky) agrees, you know Dak's playing pretty damn good ..........lol

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Let's just cut to the chase. The main thing that caused Dak to fall to the 4th round was the DUI and the so-called "character concerns." Nobody who had watched that guy carry Mississippi State really believed that he was a mid to low round talent. Leading up to the draft Broadus called him "a better passing Tim Tebow.." Meaning Dak brought everything to the table that Tebow did in terms of leadership, physicality, running ability etc with the added ingredient of being able to make all the NFL throws .. If not for the DUI coming on the heels of the drunken incident in Pensacola Dak is very likely a late first/early second round pick. But scouts and mediots do that to ..ahem... "athletic QBs." They find any excuse they can to knock down their ranking. Even going so far as to suggest that they would do better at another position.

I certainly won’t diminish the “athletic QB” critique that happens far too often. Biases exist for sure.

 

[OldJarhead]

Let's just cut to the chase. The main thing that caused Dak to fall to the 4th round was the DUI and the so-called "character concerns." Nobody who had watched that guy carry Mississippi State really believed that he was a mid to low round talent. Leading up to the draft Broadus called him "a better passing Tim Tebow.." Meaning Dak brought everything to the table that Tebow did in terms of leadership, physicality, running ability etc with the added ingredient of being able to make all the NFL throws .. If not for the DUI coming on the heels of the drunken incident in Pensacola Dak is very likely a late first/early second round pick. But scouts and mediots do that to ..ahem... "athletic QBs." They find any excuse they can to knock down their ranking. Even going so far as to suggest that they would do better at another position.

I'll be honest with you, I don't follow Miss St. and didn't know squat about any "incident". All I know is the man has trouble hitting a receiver in stride. Has ALWAYS had trouble hitting said receiver in stride. Has FOREVER had problems putting the ball in the proper place on the predominate number of passing plays. Oh he's good at the short slants, it's the other passes that are the problems. Look at the TD pass to the WIDE OPEN pretty much uncovered Schultz in the first qtr. That pass was totally underthrown and why? I didn't see the entire game (for reasons) but looking at the highlights even the long pass to Lamb looks like a bad one. It looks as if Lamb completely destroys the coverage and if the ball is thrown properly ie. further towards the back pylon away from the receiver Lamb catches that on the run for a TD easy peasy instead of having to make a jump catch in traffic.

Anyway, that has always been my only beef with Dak. He and other "athletic" QBs. They work in the NCAA, not in the NFL, not long term. Calling Dak a better passing Tebow is not really a complement. It's like saying that's is a pretty pig. It's still a pig.

 

[RonnieT24]

I'll be honest with you, I don't follow Miss St. and didn't know squat about any "incident". All I know is the man has trouble hitting a receiver in stride. Has ALWAYS had trouble hitting said receiver in stride. Has FOREVER had problems putting the ball in the proper place on the predominate number of passing plays. Oh he's good at the short slants, it's the other passes that are the problems. Look at the TD pass to the WIDE OPEN pretty much uncovered Schultz in the first qtr. That pass was totally underthrown and why? I didn't see the entire game (for reasons) but looking at the highlights even the long pass to Lamb looks like a bad one. It looks as if Lamb completely destroys the coverage and if the ball is thrown properly ie. further towards the back pylon away from the receiver Lamb catches that on the run for a TD easy peasy instead of having to make a jump catch in traffic.

Anyway, that has always been my only beef with Dak. He and other "athletic" QBs. They work in the NCAA, not in the NFL, not long term. Calling Dak a better passing Tebow is not really a complement. It's like saying that's is a pretty pig. It's still a pig.

Your observation on the throw to Lamb is quit simply inaccurate.. It was a post pattern.. The only reason the ball ended up "behind" him was that Lamb began to drift away from the safety. Now drifting away from the safety was a good thing, but the ball was thrown where it was thrown and it's the receiver's job to adjust to it. The pass traveled over 50 yards in the air... as such there was plenty of time for Lamb to run under the ball. The fact that he continued to drift sideways was on him. Dak threw the ball to the post which is where it should have been thrown. All Lamb has to do is read the flight of the ball and keep heading upfield and he runs under it for a TD. Now I know you will make up some fantasy in your mind to fault Dak for these passes, which were completed by the way, .. He's completing almost 80% of his passes this season.. So the whole "he's not a good passer" tripe rings really hollow.. But you go ahead with your narrative.. and have fun with it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lol yes they were wrong but the point is, they weren’t trolls. They had legitimate opinions and it was frankly the consensus opinion among expert scouts and analysts. That’s why he was graded a third/fourth round prospect. Plus your position greatly diminishes Dak’s hard work. It’s a slam on Dak. Not everyone that criticizes Dak is a troll for gods sake. Just khiladi and his ilk.

So now I’m slamming dak because trolls said he was inaccurate when he wasn’t?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Your observation on the throw to Lamb is quit simply inaccurate.. It was a post pattern.. The only reason the ball ended up "behind" him was that Lamb began to drift away from the safety. Now drifting away from the safety was a good thing, but the ball was thrown where it was thrown and it's the receiver's job to adjust to it. The pass traveled over 50 yards in the air... as such there was plenty of time for Lamb to run under the ball. The fact that he continued to drift sideways was on him. Dak threw the ball to the post which is where it should have been thrown. All Lamb has to do is read the flight of the ball and keep heading upfield and he runs under it for a TD. Now I know you will make up some fantasy in your mind to fault Dak for these passes, which were completed by the way, .. He's completing almost 80% of his passes this season.. So the whole "he's not a good passer" tripe rings really hollow.. But you go ahead with your narrative.. and have fun with it.

The ball was thrown a hair late and a hair under thrown. Lamb was open earlier. No harm in admitting that. Try not to be such a blind homer.

Here comes the part where you put words in my mouth and change the subject.

 

[RonWashington]

Maybe at halftime he can buy some of Jean Jones art collection with the 140 million but for anyone to come on here talk smack about # 4 ya gotta be kidding folks . You saw what Philly is throwing out as QB and Daniel Jones just fumbled his bag of groceries and WFT is having a Heineken for the foreseeable future. Cheers Ron Rivera this buds for you ….

 

[OldJarhead]

Your observation on the throw to Lamb is quit simply inaccurate.. It was a post pattern.. The only reason the ball ended up "behind" him was that Lamb began to drift away from the safety. Now drifting away from the safety was a good thing, but the ball was thrown where it was thrown and it's the receiver's job to adjust to it. The pass traveled over 50 yards in the air... as such there was plenty of time for Lamb to run under the ball. The fact that he continued to drift sideways was on him. Dak threw the ball to the post which is where it should have been thrown. All Lamb has to do is read the flight of the ball and keep heading upfield and he runs under it for a TD. Now I know you will make up some fantasy in your mind to fault Dak for these passes, which were completed by the way, .. He's completing almost 80% of his passes this season.. So the whole "he's not a good passer" tripe rings really hollow.. But you go ahead with your narrative.. and have fun with it.

As I stated, I didn't see it live, I only saw the highlights, so I'm limited in what I'm looking at. I don't have any fantasies that include #4 at all. As for the pass being a "post" and that is where is should have been, would Brady have stuck to that seeing all that open field? I really am asking a sincere question.
I don't trust Dak, never have, check that, I don't trust his arm. I think he the player would do everything he can to win a championship, I just think he is limited as a passer. My opinion.

 

[RonnieT24]

As I stated, I didn't see it live, I only saw the highlights, so I'm limited in what I'm looking at. I don't have any fantasies that include #4 at all. As for the pass being a "post" and that is where is should have been, would Brady have stuck to that seeing all that open field? I really am asking a sincere question.
I don't trust Dak, never have, check that, I don't trust his arm. I think he the player would do everything he can to win a championship, I just think he is limited as a passer. My opinion.

Brady has been in the league 22 years.. I have no illusions that Dak is at the same level as he is from a game knowledge standpoint. Dak the limited passer is completing 77.5% of his passes. #1 in the NFL in that category.. 8th in the league in passer rating.. 10th in pass TDs.. 20th in yards per game.. on and on and on.. But let all these facts get in the way of your stubbornly clinging to misguided notions about his "limitations." You run with that.. If you can watch that guy putting the ball between the numbers throw after throw and come away with "I don't trust his arm" then nothing is going to change your mind. So I won't waste another second trying..

 

[OldJarhead]

Brady has been in the league 22 years.. I have no illusions that Dak is at the same level as he is from a game knowledge standpoint. Dak the limited passer is completing 77.5% of his passes. #1 in the NFL in that category.. 8th in the league in passer rating.. 10th in pass TDs.. 20th in yards per game.. on and on and on.. But let all these facts get in the way of your stubbornly clinging to misguided notions about his "limitations." You run with that.. If you can watch that guy putting the ball between the numbers throw after throw and come away with "I don't trust his arm" then nothing is going to change your mind. So I won't waste another second trying..

Right. Gotcha.