Dak getting outside the pocket

[goshan]

There’s a big difference in planned rollouts versus Dak deciding to leave the pocket to buy more time. Rogers, Romo, etc are examples of QBs that, on their own, decide(d) to leave the pocket and improvise. That’s probably what Dak needs to become, it hasn’t been him that much so far.

 

[Ranching]

It made all of the difference in the world yesterday and provided big plays through the air for our offense.

Why did it take until week 17 of the season for him to finally start doing this?

Extending plays and improvising outside of the scheme clearly could take him to another level but all year we have seen him sit in the pocket and take sacks.

! maybe we need to play with y
Four backup OLinemen more often! Lol

 

[KMY_Amber]

It made all of the difference in the world yesterday and provided big plays through the air for our offense.

Why did it take until week 17 of the season for him to finally start doing this?

Extending plays and improvising outside of the scheme clearly could take him to another level but all year we have seen him sit in the pocket and take sacks.

As with anything, it's great when it works. Romo was great at this, but as we saw throughout his career, if you're counting on winning games because your QB needs to make a lot of "off schedule" plays, most times things won't go your way, especially in the playoffs.

So, if we're counting on Dak's escapability (as opposed to just calling good plays, and then Dak making the right reads from within the pocket), bad things will happen...like sacks, sack-fumbles, eventual injuries, etc.

I know we like to think that QBs can develop a good "feel" for the pocket, but in reality, they don't have eyes in the backs of their head/helmet, so ultimately most QBs are taught to step up, and take off when the pocket starts to collapse. But it's all a gamble...unless you're super quick like the Ravens QB who can escape quickly.

Careful what you wish for...

Those amazing plays will put Romo in the Ring of Honor, but only produced 2 playoff victories in 10 seasons. Thus, I'll pass on counting on Dak's escapability....and still think they should focus on Dak reading the defense better pre-snap, so he can make the proper read quickly, and get rid of the ball.

 

[glimmerman]

There’s a big difference in planned rollouts versus Dak deciding to leave the pocket to buy more time. Rogers, Romo, etc are examples of QBs that, on their own, decide(d) to leave the pocket and improvise. That’s probably what Dak needs to become, it hasn’t been him that much so far.

He is about a second to slow right now. By the time he tries the pressure has gotten to him. At least once or twice a game I am screaming at him to scramble but he don’t seem to be able to hear me. I guess it’s the crowd noise. Lol.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Whatever the case, as Jerry likes to say, the coaches need to “empty their bucket” as far as game planning everything Dak does well and working off of that. Not sure you can employ a plain-Jane game plan and expect much success Saturday night.

 

[JJHLH1]

Dak legs are a huge weapon, either running or throwing on the run. Puts even more pressure on the opposing defense.

 

[CATCH17]

As with anything, it's great when it works. Romo was great at this, but as we saw throughout his career, if you're counting on winning games because your QB needs to make a lot of "off schedule" plays, most times things won't go your way, especially in the playoffs.

So, if we're counting on Dak's escapability (as opposed to just calling good plays, and then Dak making the right reads from within the pocket), bad things will happen...like sacks, sack-fumbles, eventual injuries, etc.

I know we like to think that QBs can develop a good "feel" for the pocket, but in reality, they don't have eyes in the backs of their head/helmet, so ultimately most QBs are taught to step up, and take off when the pocket starts to collapse. But it's all a gamble...unless you're super quick like the Ravens QB who can escape quickly.

Careful what you wish for...

Those amazing plays will put Romo in the Ring of Honor, but only produced 2 playoff victories in 10 seasons. Thus, I'll pass on counting on Dak's escapability....and still think they should focus on Dak reading the defense better pre-snap, so he can make the proper read quickly, and get rid of the ball.

Dak is a running QB. He needs to play mobile and get out of the pocket.

Dak sitting in the pocket is his weakness.

 

[KMY_Amber]

Dak is a running QB. He needs to play mobile and get out of the pocket.

Dak sitting in the pocket is his weakness.

If they're not designed rollouts, I don't want him playing like Jackson, one read and then takeoff. He's not that style of QB. He's more like Steve McNair used to be, than Russell Wilson. Scramble when necessary, to set up throws downfield...but in most cases, trust this awesome o-line that we all praise week after week.

 

[glimmerman]

Dak is a running QB. He needs to play mobile and get out of the pocket.

Dak sitting in the pocket is his weakness.

But yet the staff has him hanging in the pocket. I know he needs to learn to throw from the pocket but if you want to win games as he learns then they have to let him be him. Yesterday was a prime example. He scrambles and has some roll out plays called but I don’t think I saw him run a RPO play.

 

[Future]

Absolutely no reason why coaches do not roll out Dak both right or left a few times per game. Dak can see pressure much better and process his targets better. He also seems more willing to throw balls away instead of taking sacks. When in pocket he feels obligated to keep WAITING for someone come open......then sacked.. yuck!

They do. The problem is that when you roll out, you only have half the field to read, so it's pretty easy to defend.

 

[KMY_Amber]

But yet the staff has him hanging in the pocket. I know he needs to learn to throw from the pocket but if you want to win games as he learns then they have to let him be him. Yesterday was a prime example. He scrambles and has some roll out plays called but I don’t think I saw him run a RPO play.

But I'm all for more RPOs, and way more RPO Play Action passes....hec, we should run these RPO PA passes at least 10 times/game....they will almost always work, because Zeke will suck everybody in, leaving the outside WRs 1-on-1 for easy slants or outs, or whatever. I just don't know why they make this harder than it should be....with Zeke, damn near every pass should be a play action, which will get the TEs open more too. And if they stop reacting to the fake, take note...and then just run the ball.

 

[Chrispierce]

He played like he did in 2016,and I think it’s because he was playing loose and not overly focused within the confines of the system. Romo was like that too. Escaping pressure and rolling out to make a big play. I think that’s something Dak has to find on his own way on,a more comfortable balance to play in which just takes time.

 

[Kaiser]

If they're not designed rollouts, I don't want him playing like Jackson, one read and then takeoff. He's not that style of QB. He's more like Steve McNair used to be, than Russell Wilson. Scramble when necessary, to set up throws downfield...but in most cases, trust this awesome o-line that we all praise week after week.

Totally agree. That is what made the 2016 so dominant, they controlled the game running but when they passed Dak would have 5 seconds in the pocket to go through his reads. This year its 3 seconds at best and Dak rushes when that happens.

 

[lwehlers]

Point well taken and next year will be different with a new OC. But for the moment Linehan is a conservative OC and Dak is a conservative QB so they are going to stay with the run game that the team is built around.

The more I think about it, it was the right move to play Dak yesterday. You absolutely had to rest Tyron and Martin and did need to give Zeke time off. So you were going to have to pass anyway, the smart move was to play Dak and work on game reps with his secondary targets like Gallup, Beasley and Jarwin. Those three got 16 catches out of 20 targets, that is very helpful as you go into the playoffs.

we can still be a run the ball control offense and call more rollout passes to help the oline and get receivers open but garrett and linehan still believe that Prescott is a pocket passer when he has always been better passing on the move.

 

[Kaiser]

we can still be a run the ball control offense and call more rollout passes to help the oline and get receivers open but garrett and linehan still believe that Prescott is a pocket passer when he has always been better passing on the move.

Totally agree, with so many backup OL in the game they should have more rollouts and not less. Not so much in this game because it was meaningless in the standings, but that has been one my beefs with Linehan all year.

 

[zenmastersauce]

I think the coaching staff has a lot to do with why he sits in the pocket so long. Asking him to make 3rd & 4th reads but that will speed up with experience. Some pass plays also have extended routes that just take way too long to develop. This doesn’t help when you have a guard that gets blown out at the point of attack the first half of the year (Williams) and then an injured line late in the year. Scheme plays a big part. Agreed 100%, Dak is not a traditional pocket passer.

This. I swear we can see this and I will bet that they tell him to stay in the pocket. It takes away part of his game and hurts him more when plays take so long to develop

 

[BleedinBlue]

he was more aggressive and out of the pocket sooner , his spin move was quicker and more decisive,

 

[btcutter]

They do. The problem is that when you roll out, you only have half the field to read, so it's pretty easy to defend.

True but it speeds up his reads and makes him get rid of the ball to avoid sacks. You just need to do this few times per game to give him confidence.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

RPOs man ... Dak needs to be what he believes he can be , & make the RPOs .

He shouldn't get distracted by the noise from the media .

 

[JohnBoy]

I heard a lot more "kill-kill-kill" from Dak this game, so I gather he was overriding the OC play call more. Seemed to work pretty well, but against the Giants in a trash game. If our defense didn't give up 35 pts this game could've been a blow-out...