Dak good and bad

[waldoputty]

after the draft, I viewed Dak as a good backup and may be a running quarterback.
did not really think of him as a pocket passer.
his PS stats were padded by short range passes.

when i went back to look at his game 1 passes, most were short but more mid range passes than in PS.
in the last minute, most mid range throws were accurate.

we have already learned a lot about Dak in terms of poise, accuracy, pocket passer, running, ability to elude pass rush.
poise - excellent, he simply has it. will throw ball away which is something Romo still has not learned!
short range accuracy - very good
mid range accuracy - ok
long range accuracy - not good but very few attempts and none of the fade variety
pocket passer - ok as far as I can tell, and much better than expected
running - good, but he may want to do a little more of that to loosen the defense
ability to elude pass rush - excellent - escaped quiet a few pass rushers

mentally he is pretty good, more experience in reading defenses should help.
the biggest concern is his ability to hit narrow windows and the vertical game.
i would say his ability to elude the rush and his running ability do mitigate these 2 concerns.
it buys more time for receivers to get more open.
it helps soften the defense having to account for the QB running and running well.

all in all, pretty good.
there is a good chance he will be top 15 QB this year.
there is a good chance he is a top 10 QB next year.

 

[perrykemp]

I love the potential I see in Dak and generally speaking I am very optimistic for his future.

Having said that, I don't think he'll ever be a Tom Brady / Aaron Rodgers kind of pin-point super-accurate thrower down the field. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see frozen ropes from the guy.

That's not to say he can't be a top 10 QB by being more of a Russell Wilson type of QB. I think he can be.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

after the draft, I viewed Dak as a good backup and may be a running quarterback.
did not really think of him as a pocket passer.
his PS stats were padded by short range passes.

when i went back to look at his game 1 passes, most were short but more mid range passes than in PS.
in the last minute, most mid range throws were accurate.

we have already learned a lot about Dak in terms of poise, accuracy, pocket passer, running, ability to elusive pass rush.
poise - excellent, he simply has it. will throw ball away which is something Romo still has not learned!
short range accuracy - very good
mid range accuracy - ok
long range accuracy - not good but very few attempts and none of the fade variety
pocket passer - ok as far as I can tell, and much better than expected
running - good, but he may want to do a little more of that to loosen the defense
ability to elusive pass rush - excellent - escaped quiet a few pass rushers

mentally he is pretty good, more experience in reading defenses should help.
the biggest concern is his ability to hit narrow windows and the vertical game.
i would say his ability to elude the rush and his running ability do mitigate these 2 concerns.
it buys more time for receivers to get more open.
it helps soften the defense having to account for the QB running and running well.

all in all, pretty good.
there is a good chance he will be top 15 QB this year.
there is a good chance he is a top 10 QB next year.

I agree with most of this and I hope the Top 15 and Top 10 stuff comes true. We could use a blessing around these parts.

 

[bayeslife]

I love the potential I see in Dak and generally speaking I am very optimistic for his future.

Having said that, I don't think he'll ever be a Tom Brady / Aaron Rodgers kind of pin-point super-accurate thrower down the field. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see frozen ropes from the guy.

That's not to say he can't be a top 10 QB by being more of a Russell Wilson type of QB. I think he can be.

Plays he can't make in a tight window he'll make up for with his legs

 

[CATCH17]

Yesterday Dak was in game manager mode.. He really wasn't going to make a play.

The game came down to 50/50 chances to Dez in the reDzone.. We couldn't convert and it resulted into not scoring touchdowns.


All things considered he played really well for a rookie but you'd like to see him be more of a playmaker.

 

[jazzcat22]

His WR's didn't help his long passes with those drops. Those should have been TD's. Not what you expect for a top 5 WR supposedly.
Overall good assessment though.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yesterday Dak was in game manager mode.. He really wasn't going to make a play.

The game came down to 50/50 chances to Dez in the reDzone.. We couldn't convert and it resulted into not scoring touchdowns.


All things considered he played really well for a rookie but you'd like to see him be more of a playmaker.

Same old thing, get to the redzone and settle for FG's and not get the TD's. Only one from Zeke's run.
This will not cut it, if they want to win the division.

 

[waldoputty]

I love the potential I see in Dak and generally speaking I am very optimistic for his future.

Having said that, I don't think he'll ever be a Tom Brady / Aaron Rodgers kind of pin-point super-accurate thrower down the field. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see frozen ropes from the guy.

That's not to say he can't be a top 10 QB by being more of a Russell Wilson type of QB. I think he can be.

I dont think he is the pin-point Brady/Rodgers type either.
He does not have to be.
His ability to elude the rush and running ability allows him to buy time and distract DBs.

as far as his ceiling, I would say a less-physically gifted Cam that is more poised and may make better decisions.
i dont think he should run 15 times a game like Cam, but much more than the 2 rushes yesterday
nothing more distracting for DBs than a tough QB that MAY scramble rolling in your direction.

Game planning needs to take advantage of his strengths by having more roll outs / scrambling.
Particularly with an inexperienced QB in the RED ZONE!

 

[kevm3]

We should have let him loose to make mistakes ala Siemian, but he'll be 'managed' and turned into a Weeden/Cassell type until Romo gets back.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

His short range accuracy was not good

 

[Boyzmamacita]

We should have let him loose to make mistakes ala Siemian, but he'll be 'managed' and turned into a Weeden/Cassell type until Romo gets back.

Our defense is the problem. We know they give up points so we have to keep them off the field with ball control and that means "managing" the offense. Early on, Dak did an excellent job of taking what the defense gave him. If we had executed, we would've been up 14-0 before the Giants even got going. But perhaps that's too much to ask for.

 

[waldoputty]

His short range accuracy was not good

in the first half, his accuracy was like in the PS.
in the second half, his accuracy suffered when Giants adjusted and we had to throw a lot.
when any QB have to throw from behind, completion % goes down.

we have to adjust to the defense.
we did not play to his strengths... more rollouts and scrambling...

 

[waldoputty]

We should have let him loose to make mistakes ala Siemian, but he'll be 'managed' and turned into a Weeden/Cassell type until Romo gets back.

Well, Weeden/Cassell became a big problem when teams could game plan to stop the short stuff.
They did not have Dak's mobility and escapability.
In the next 3 games, we will learn whether cowboys can adapt and Dak can be more of a threat.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I love the potential I see in Dak and generally speaking I am very optimistic for his future.

Having said that, I don't think he'll ever be a Tom Brady / Aaron Rodgers kind of pin-point super-accurate thrower down the field. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see frozen ropes from the guy.

That's not to say he can't be a top 10 QB by being more of a Russell Wilson type of QB. I think he can be.

I agree. He appears to be a leader and has ice in his veins. That's good. You can't teach that. But he also might be limited as a passer. His ceiling may be low in that area. Like you said, I see him being a Super Bowl winning QB with an elite D and some pieces on offense. I don't see him carrying a team on his own like we've relied on Romo to do for the past 10 years.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Well, Weeden/Cassell became a big problem when teams could game plan to stop the short stuff.
They did not have Dak's mobility and escapability.
In the next 3 games, we will learn whether cowboys can adapt and Dak can be more of a threat.

Yep. He reminded me of Weeden with wheels. Contrary to popular belief, Weeden wasn't awful last year. He was what you wanted in a backup - someone who can drive the bus and not make stupid turnovers. A backup like that can go .500 with a very good team around him. He can also go .100 with the Dallas Cowboys around him. Dak was that yesterday. Plus he could run. He didn't do a very good job of using his running ability to keep the defense on its toes. We had a QB who could run, talented RBs and an elite O-line, and we still couldn't take advantage in the passing game when the defense completely sold out against the run.

 

[noshame]

The guy had a couple touchdowns dropped.
then with almost no time on the clock got us into scoring position and was let down by a brainless Wonder

I'd call it a pretty good first day

 

[waldoputty]

I agree. He appears to be a leader and has ice in his veins. That's good. You can't teach that. But he also might be limited as a passer. His ceiling may be low in that area. Like you said, I see him being a Super Bowl winning QB with an elite D and some pieces on offense. I don't see him carrying a team on his own like we've relied on Romo to do for the past 10 years.

Romo is capable of carrying us by repeatedly playing Houdini.
However, that same style and mentality of play may be what leads to the major mistakes.
Whether we like it or not, Romo's body may be done.

Dak may be limited as a passer in terms of long range/tight window passing.
Also the elusiveness may compensate by buying time.
His ability to rollout and scrame may distract DBs to get receivers more spacing.
Like others said, I think he could be similar to Russell Wilson.
It seems Wilson's passing has been improving over the years.
Dak also seemed to have taken a big step every year with his passing.
Just compare his junior year to his senior year.
And this year becoming a pocket passer, when we were not sure how long and IF he becomes a pocket passer.

 

[Tabascocat]

He needs to use his legs (should say be allowed to) for a better chance at success. A whole another dimension of his game was not utilized. He is not accurate enough right now to be a pocket passer, let him be able to knock out some 5-15 yard runs. That will weaken up the defense quite a bit.

If our coaches give him the Weeden, et al gameplan, it will be a long season and many will be calling for his head by week 10.

He has the poise to turn into a pretty good QB, let him try and learn instead of handcuff him. Now that there is some tape on him, we will learn a lot about his game starting next week vs the Skunks. Incorporate more play-action, slants and post routes and let him shine.

 

[waldoputty]

He needs to use his legs (should say be allowed to) for a better chance at success. A whole another dimension of his game was not utilized. He is not accurate enough right now to be a pocket passer, let him be able to knock out some 5-15 yard runs. That will weaken up the defense quite a bit.

If our coaches give him the Weeden, et al gameplan, it will be a long season and many will be calling for his head by week 10.

He has the poise to turn into a pretty good QB, let him try and learn instead of handcuff him. Now that there is some tape on him, we will learn a lot about his game starting next week vs the Skunks. Incorporate more play-action, slants and post routes and let him shine.

in another thread, it was suggested a 4 wideout formation that would open up the running game.
that sounds great to me.
dump the FB and play the spread formation.

even if they single cover the 4 wr, that leaves 7 defenders against our OL, Zeke/morris and a QB that is a threat to run.
no more 8 in the box.
if the D wants to blitz, then they are going to single cover all 4 WR with no safety???
if they keep at least 1 safety, then no more 7 in the box

 

[waldoputty]

Went back and looked at some of the running plays.
It seems Zeke had more success when we were NOT in the 12 formation with 2 TEs.
Does anyone else see this?

I think we do that for running, but it seems we need to draw defenders away.
We may also do that to protect Romo.
But we dont have Romo in there right now...