Dak is just a regular season stat QB nothing more

[SteveTheCowboy]

I'm not moving anything. I asked you a question. Simple question. You are the one that's moving the goalposts bud. Dallas just beat the Eagles. They also beat the Chiefs, who have been PERENNIAL champions of their conference of late, even when they don't win the Superbowl. Seven straight title games. They are legit anytime Mahomes is at the helm.

Maybe the damn team is tired after playing three games in 18 days. Maybe both tackles suddenly forgot how to block. Maybe special teams decided to allow Detroit an avg start on their own 43 yard line ALL NIGHT. Turnovers...Lamb out...and a back end that's improving but it is not quite ready for prime time.

Did you really think that Dallas in its current condition would go 8-0 over its last eight games??? Did you really think that the defense was Superbowl caliber even after the trades???

Newsflash for ya...of the last 20 Superbowl winners...NONE OF THEM went 8-0 in the last eight regular season games. Only THREE managed to win seven of eight:

2016 Patriots...7-1
2019 Chiefs...7-1
2024 Eagles...7-1

Only the 2007 Patriots were perfect in their last 8 regular season games. But they lost the Superbowl that year.

None of that has anything to do with what I said.

I guessed i missed your "simple question". Can you please refresh me?

 

[Dorsett33]

Dak will forever be known as the stats regular season QB

When it matters against good teams and the playoffs he’s a total dud

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If you think that, you don't really watch the game and with that analysis, 90% of QBs in the league are the same....Josh Allen, Lamarr Jackson, Love, etc. And let's not go back to Marino, Fouts, Moon, Jim Kelly, VIck. I guess they are all regular season stat QBs cause they never won a SB. Any person that thinks that ONLY the QB is the one that wins playoff games and SBs....definitely don't know the game of football

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[nhcowboysfan]

Just an observation to consider regarding Dak, and an issue I have with him. Maybe stop yammering about how your team is going to light up the Lions prior to the game only to put up 9 points at halftime.

 

[blueblood70]

If you think that, you don't really watch the game and with that analysis, 90% of QBs in the league are the same....Josh Allen, Lamarr Jackson, Love, etc. And let's not go back to Marino, Fouts, Moon, Jim Kelly, VIck. I guess they are all regular season stat QBs cause they never won a SB. Any person that thinks that ONLY the QB is the one that wins playoff games and SBs....definitely don't know the game of football

/facts

ILL Try and to keep this short I'll just use one example jim Mcmahon the Chicago Bears that defense that run game those lines the trenches the coaching Staffs if you put him on any other team a current team right now in the modern NFL like the Browns or the Jets so when I don't offer that kind of team concept this dude is basically, Taysom Hill.. Just pick any name that thought they can play quarterback in the NFL and really just were tough guys that turned out they weren't very good quarterbacks..

Lots of defenses and some of these great teams carried quarterbacks the run game to defense some of these great defenses like the Ravens and Bears have given up less than 13 points on average for the entire year the playoffs and the Super Bowl literally asked the offense just don't screw it up..

If anybody thinks that Romo or Prescott couldn't excel and even be better in those environments they're not really paying attention, you're correct...

 

[morat1959]

Dak and Romo remind me of the guy in the pool room you see practicing all the time and he’s a great shot and can beat a lot of people but the minute you start playing for money he chokes. Something about the pressure in big games gets to them. Now don’t get me wrong! Everyone has a choking point. Some people’s it’s higher than others. Some people thrive under pressure. But that is where pedigree comes in. Yes I know the rest of the team must help out but it’s just like team of surgeons. The doctor actually doing the surgery needs his team but if he fails himself the surgery is botched.

What’s your game of choice? I actually ran a pool hall for the owner in my late teens. Loved playing snooker for 4-5 hours. Drop back to the regular tables for a couple hours and then it’s off to the bar room tables that night to rack up some money playing 9 ball. The balls looked like basketballs and the pockets looked like a basketball hoop.

 

[GINeric]

Dak tends to play very well against division opponents. So well he basically throttles them. Dak wins a lot of division games.

So you're going on record saying the Cowboys never won any games outside of the division because of Dak in 10 years?

Hmmm......

 

[Hadenough]

What’s your game of choice? I actually ran a pool hall for the owner in my late teens. Loved playing snooker for 4-5 hours. Drop back to the regular tables for a couple hours and then it’s off to the bar room tables that night to rack up some money playing 9 ball. The balls looked like basketballs and the pockets looked like a basketball hoop.

Those snooker tables have some seriously tight pockets. I always knew the guy working the counter so I could get that free table time. For me when I was younger nine ball was my game. I wasted a lot of years in pool halls but it sure was fun at the time. Yeah those seedy bars had a lot 9 ball action.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If you think that, you don't really watch the game and with that analysis, 90% of QBs in the league are the same....Josh Allen, Lamarr Jackson, Love, etc. And let's not go back to Marino, Fouts, Moon, Jim Kelly, VIck. I guess they are all regular season stat QBs cause they never won a SB. Any person that thinks that ONLY the QB is the one that wins playoff games and SBs....definitely don't know the game of football

/facts

The problem with your take is those other QB you listed? Actually haveplayoff wins, stats, and at least super bowl appearances. FAR more than Dak.

 

[Dorsett33]

ILL Try and to keep this short I'll just use one example jim Mcmahon the Chicago Bears that defense that run game those lines the trenches the coaching Staffs if you put him on any other team a current team right now in the modern NFL like the Browns or the Jets so when I don't offer that kind of team concept this dude is basically, Taysom Hill.. Just pick any name that thought they can play quarterback in the NFL and really just were tough guys that turned out they weren't very good quarterbacks..

Lots of defenses and some of these great teams carried quarterbacks the run game to defense some of these great defenses like the Ravens and Bears have given up less than 13 points on average for the entire year the playoffs and the Super Bowl literally asked the offense just don't screw it up..

If anybody thinks that Romo or Prescott couldn't excel and even be better in those environments they're not really paying attention, you're correct...

The point is....it's a TEAM game. Not a QB only game. Not a DEFENSE only game. It takes the ENTIRE team to play their role with chemistry

 

[Dorsett33]

The problem with your take is those other QB you listed? Actually haveplayoff wins, stats, and at least super bowl appearances. FAR more than Dak.

So...is playoff wins the goal? I mean...I thought the goal was SBs? Is it not? If we won every playoff game but the SB, you'd be ok with that? I wouldn't

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So...is playoff wins the goal? I mean...I thought the goal was SBs? Is it not? If we won every playoff game but the SB, you'd be ok with that? I wouldn't

Of course a super bowl is the goal. I never said otherwise and that wasn't what you were saying.

Classic goal post moving. Somebody makes a sound objection (sustained) to your point, then you say "but what about this other thing?"

As if just wanting to argue, and win...on the internet.

 

[blueblood70]

The point is....it's a TEAM game. Not a QB only game. Not a DEFENSE only game. It takes the ENTIRE team to play their role with chemistry

Right and if you have enough holes in that team it doesn't take much for you to lose when you're playing the better talent in the bigger games and in the playoffs you literally are playing against teams you can't afford to not show up that put that day and play your best and it only takes A handful That's what's been happening there's about five or 6 plays you can go back in some of these games they weren't blocked well they didn't run well didn't have time to throw the ball nobody's open way too many penalties anybody remember the 14 penalty game against the 49ers yeah the one Prescott's getting blamed for because he had a couple early turnovers you know early turnovers like Matthew Stafford had in the Super Bowl but nobody worried about because they won the game the defense made the stops you know those big holes Talk about the defense in those lower scoring San Francisco games Trayvon Diggs supposed to be Mr Interception drop one that hit him in the hands didn't try to make contact with Kittles on that one play we can go back all day and talk about why we didn't win but to me the quarterbacks at the very bottom of the list in these losses...

 

[blueblood70]

So...is playoff wins the goal? I mean...I thought the goal was SBs? Is it not? If we won every playoff game but the SB, you'd be ok with that? I wouldn't

Yes ,yes, and, yes, All the above and some of it, part of it ,yeah II happy getting to the playoffs..

Will I be fully satisfied, no, but it sure is better than the alternative, you are thinking it's better to come up short and have better draft picks is not the way most of us think.

It's OK, if you want to feel that way, but that's a ridiculous condition to put on a team, that you won't be happy unless they win a Super Bowl ,The goal may be a Super Bow,l but the steps in between, are how you get to the Super Bowl, and you got to take those steps if you fall short, you fall short, that doesn't mean you abandon your team..

Big difference, between total happiness, and just being content, a little satisfied, that's OK, because I'd rather be more satisfied than less satisfied, you get my point?

I think you do because ,I think you'd rather have a disastrous season every year, and be so far from the playoffs, that we get so much good talent, that you think is a blueprint because they're automatically going to do their job ,and show up, and make our team better, right?? because the draft is so perfect, free agency so perfect ,every year you think they're going to improve, just by being active with lost of money and high draft picks..

But no, that's not true,

it's nice if you have your front office make an effort and if you do a good job in the offseason, you have a better chance, but then you see some of these better teams from last year, most of them are suffering the same as we are right now, The Chiefs might not be satisfied they lost the Super Bowl last yea,r but I'm betting they take that again, over what's going on right now, but it does happen and who saw this coming, not many people except those that saw the really close wins last year...

So, I get it If that's the way some of y'all feel then that's the way you feel but I prefer to be in the winning record category and hope to make the playoffs versus the alternative.

I say that because teams like Cleveland, the Jets, a handful of other teams have done everything they possibly could including moved to different states ,start over all over again, fire just about A dozen coaches, 10 GMs, change ownership, have 65 1st round picks and they still have not figured it out they still have not improved at all in a decade or more.

So, losing every year to get better draft picks and firing everybody all the time and restarting, I've seen that not work too many times...

Technically there is no blueprint, even some of the teams like the Eagles right now, are struggling even though Howie Rosemann not doing anything different this year, than he has in years past, and they're having problems.....

Only being one and a half games up in a division that looks like you should have ran away from it, against the Cowboys team that was supposed to be completely done, I'd hardly call that blueprint of being all in, and aggressive, working.

I can see both sides of the debate, but I'm going to sit here and say to answer your question is yes ,I'd be more satisfied if they win 10 wins this year, regardless if they go to the playoffs, or not ,and if they got to the playoffs even better even if it's one and done it's better than the alternative...

 

[Dorsett33]

Of course a super bowl is the goal. I never said otherwise and that wasn't what you were saying.

Classic goal post moving. Somebody makes a sound objection (sustained) to your point, then you say "but what about this other thing?"

As if just wanting to argue, and win...on the internet.

Ha! Nooo...the topic is Dak is just a regular season QB. You said he doesn't win playoff games. I said...playoff wins isn't the goal. SBs are. How is that goal post moving? Lmao! If playoff wins is all you're looking for, be a Josh Allen fan. Or be a Lamarr Jackson fan...lol

 

[blueblood70]

Ha! Nooo...the topic is Dak is just a regular season QB. You said he doesn't win playoff games. I said...playoff wins isn't the goal. SBs are. How is that goal post moving? Lmao! If playoff wins is all you're looking for, be a Josh Allen fan. Or be a Lamarr Jackson fan...lol

I don't know if Lamar Jackson is a good example 3-5 And by the way I know stats don't matter but he has a far worse stat line than Prescott That shows you that Prescott has played well enough to win in a lot of those games and we lost because of other factors defense and what not I mean if you look at Lamar Jackson and a lot of those losses in the playoffs he was horrible...

So you could have picked someone else but yes we understand where you're coming from even if we don't agree with it... JA is 7-6 But yeah at least there's some good stats and a winning record...

 

[Dorsett33]

Right and if you have enough holes in that team it doesn't take much for you to lose when you're playing the better talent in the bigger games and in the playoffs you literally are playing against teams you can't afford to not show up that put that day and play your best and it only takes A handful That's what's been happening there's about five or 6 plays you can go back in some of these games they weren't blocked well they didn't run well didn't have time to throw the ball nobody's open way too many penalties anybody remember the 14 penalty game against the 49ers yeah the one Prescott's getting blamed for because he had a couple early turnovers you know early turnovers like Matthew Stafford had in the Super Bowl but nobody worried about because they won the game the defense made the stops you know those big holes Talk about the defense in those lower scoring San Francisco games Trayvon Diggs supposed to be Mr Interception drop one that hit him in the hands didn't try to make contact with Kittles on that one play we can go back all day and talk about why we didn't win but to me the quarterbacks at the very bottom of the list in these losses...

Exactly! But too many thinks it's just the QB that loses...lol. I'm saying what you're saying

 

[Dorsett33]

I don't know if Lamar Jackson is a good example 3-5 And by the way I know stats don't matter but he has a far worse stat line than Prescott That shows you that Prescott has played well enough to win in a lot of those games and we lost because of other factors defense and what not I mean if you look at Lamar Jackson and a lot of those losses in the playoffs he was horrible...

So you could have picked someone else but yes we understand where you're coming from even if we don't agree with it... JA is 7-6 But yeah at least there's some good stats and a winning record...

I get what you're saying. But if a QB had a 7-12 playoff record but won 2 SBs, he'd be a hero. I can careless what a playoff record is, at the end of the day SBs is the goal. But I feel ya.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ha! Nooo...the topic is Dak is just a regular season QB. You said he doesn't win playoff games. I said...playoff wins isn't the goal. SBs are. How is that goal post moving? Lmao! If playoff wins is all you're looking for, be a Josh Allen fan. Or be a Lamarr Jackson fan...lol

I never said "playoff wins is the goal".

I said "he does't win playoff games". And it's not all his fault either.

You're new at this internet thing, aren't you? Some people won't put up with you chnaging what they said, arguing it, then proclaiming yourself the winner. But if that is what you need to do to survive...nobody can stop you. Just point it out when you do it as all they can do.

Oh...it's beside my point, BUT...get this!...you have to win playoff games to even get to the super bowl. That's WEIRD huh?

 

[Dorsett33]

I never said "playoff wins is the goal".

I said "he does't win playoff games". And it's not all his fault either.

You're new at this internet thing, aren't you? Some people won't put up with you chnaging what they said, arguing it, then proclaiming yourself the winner. But if that is what you need to do to survive...nobody can stop you. Just point it out when you do it as all they can do.

Oh...it's beside my point, BUT...get this!...you have to win playoff games to even get to the super bowl. That's WEIRD huh?

It's not a win or loss thing. YOU said he doesn't win playoff games. I SAID SBs is the goal. I know you didn't say it was the goal. I said it was NOT the goal since you said he doesn't win playoff wins. Reading comprehension is fundamental. Don't get mad cause of what you said and I expounded on it. Lol

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It's not a win or loss thing. YOU said he doesn't win playoff games. I SAID SBs is the goal. I know you didn't say it was the goal. I said it was NOT the goal since you said he doesn't win playoff wins. Reading comprehension is fundamental. Don't get mad cause of what you said and I expounded on it. Lol

Lol...dude. read what you wrote and tell me ghat makes sense. Its gobbledegook babble.

I'm not mad at what i said. You "expounded" on it then argued about it.
So you changed what I said and claim your victory?

How about you NOT "expound" and just go on what I said instead ?