Dak isn’t Russell Wilson

Dre11

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There are plenty of meaningless stats that are kept.

Completion %
Basically anything about total yardage
Total tackles
Total TOP
Post-snap Penalties

Also, the irony of consistently calling someone dumb and then struggling to put together English sentences isn't lost on me.

You say they are meaningless stats, it doesn't fit your dumb narrative.
 

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You say they are meaningless stats, it doesn't fit your dumb narrative.
What narrative is that?

That Dak struggles to throw the ball with any consistency down the field? That because of that, this offense struggles? Yea, I'm really out on a limb and need to reference total tackles to prove it lol.
 

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This seems to be the go to comparison for media pundits for whatever reason when talking down to Dak. I assume it’s bevause both are athletic, scrambling black QBs initially perceived as a product of good teams. The inevitable conclusion of the comparison is that it turns out Wilson was much better than everyone thought (as he is now universally considered elite) but Dak is not at that level and doesn’t have the potential to. Indeed, I wager less than 10% of this board believes Dak can ever be what Russell Wilson currently is.

Well, let’s a take a look. A comparison of each player’s first 45 starts.

Dak:
30-15 W/L record
10,122 yards
225 YPG
66.1 completion %
7.5 YPA
11.2 YPC
62 passing TDs
24 INTs
942 rushing yards
17 rushing TDs
25 fumbles
95.8 QBR

Russ:
33-12 W/L record
9,375 yards
208 YPG
63.4 completion %
7.8 YPA
12.5 YPC
66 passing TDs
24 INTs
1,589 rushing yards
11 rushing TDs
31 fumbles
97.4 QBR

Pretty similar overall. Now I know what you’ll say, “But Russ got better every year”. Well, except he didn’t. His third year (2014) was arguably the WORST year of his career, where he had 14 fumbles, was sacked 45 times, had his lowest QB rating to that point and only had a total of 26 TDs running and passing.

Just food for thought


?....Russ has been in the league a heck of a lot longer than Dak…So in my opinion , yes Dak still has potential!..and Dak would have never thrown that crappy interception like Russ did last night...lol...so there!:cool:
 

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Dak isn't Russell, that's true nor does he need to be. Russell is a different kind of QB, IMO. He's a Utility type QB that is part RB while Dak is a Blood/Guts type QB that may not do it pretty but does what it takes to get the desired result. As we saw in the last Eagles game, Dak played ugly for 3 quarters and then seemed to flip a switch in the 4th qtr and OT and became elite. I know it drives his critics crazy because he doesn't maintain that elite level of play all game but despite their demands for perfection, he consistently delivers wins... sometimes ugly but wins none the less.
 

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What narrative is that?

That Dak struggles to throw the ball with any consistency down the field? That because of that, this offense struggles? Yea, I'm really out on a limb and need to reference total tackles to prove it lol.

As I said dumb narrative, this offense struggles because of untimely penalties,shaky OL play, AND some inconsistencies by Dak.
 

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This seems to be the go to comparison for media pundits for whatever reason when talking down to Dak. I assume it’s bevause both are athletic, scrambling black QBs initially perceived as a product of good teams. The inevitable conclusion of the comparison is that it turns out Wilson was much better than everyone thought (as he is now universally considered elite) but Dak is not at that level and doesn’t have the potential to. Indeed, I wager less than 10% of this board believes Dak can ever be what Russell Wilson currently is.

Well, let’s a take a look. A comparison of each player’s first 45 starts.

Dak:
30-15 W/L record
10,122 yards
225 YPG
66.1 completion %
7.5 YPA
11.2 YPC
62 passing TDs
24 INTs
942 rushing yards
17 rushing TDs
25 fumbles
95.8 QBR


Russ:
33-12 W/L record
9,375 yards
208 YPG
63.4 completion %
7.8 YPA
12.5 YPC
66 passing TDs
24 INTs
1,589 rushing yards
11 rushing TDs
31 fumbles
97.4 QBR

Pretty similar overall. Now I know what you’ll say, “But Russ got better every year”. Well, except he didn’t. His third year (2014) was arguably the WORST year of his career, where he had 14 fumbles, was sacked 45 times, had his lowest QB rating to that point and only had a total of 26 TDs running and passing.

Just food for thought

Despite the fact that Dak is on a similar trajectory to Wilson, and no he isn't RW, there are similarities. Both had outstanding RB's when they started. Wilson's play was actually dialed back after a realization that as a rookie he was asked to do too much. Lean on Beast mode, why not. Same as Dak leans on Zeke. Wilson took more on his shoulders as he played more ball. Dak never had that opportunity because he was thrust straight into the starting job. Wilson was actually called "bus driver" his first two years and I've read that about Dak many times on here. Drive this bus to the SB Dak!

Very good comparisons and yes on different teams and different coaches, but still valid. Will Dak continue on the Wilson trajectory? Depends on the players around him and coaching. We can only hope the bus doesn't blow a tire
 

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I waiting a couple more years to see how Prescott develops.
 

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Good post. Dak has flaws for sure and much work is needed to improve several aspects of his game. But he’s 25 and the amount of hate and stupid comments he gets on these boards is amazing. I appreciated Romo when he was being ripped back in the day, then he’s gone and half the people that hated him suddenly think he’s a hall of famer who could do no wrong. When it comes to being a Cowboys QB, you can’t win even when you win.

Also a good post
 

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Russ has had unarguably the better defense.

Dak has been unarguably on the better offense.

Russ is CARRYING his team the last 2 to 3 years with one of the worst offensive lines in football and a sporting cast on offense that has existed of Doug Baldwin as a top level player (and Doug has been hobbled this year).

If you put Dak in Seattle this year he'd be a bottom 5 performer. And that's the difference.
 

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Russ has had unarguably the better defense.

Dak has been unarguably on the better offense.

Russ is CARRYING his team the last 2 to 3 years with one of the worst offensive lines in football and a sporting cast on offense that has existed of Doug Baldwin as a top level player (and Doug has been hobbled this year).

If you put Dak in Seattle this year he'd be a bottom 5 performer. And that's the difference.

You give our O-line far too much credit IMO Makto. Our 2016 O-line was lights out. Our 2018 line are yet to turn the lights on or they're using a dimmer switch. Don't know enough about the Seattle O-line to debate that one. And Wilson has a coupe of fast WR's in Lockett and DJ Moore
 

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Russ has had unarguably the better defense.

Dak has been unarguably on the better offense.

Russ is CARRYING his team the last 2 to 3 years with one of the worst offensive lines in football and a sporting cast on offense that has existed of Doug Baldwin as a top level player (and Doug has been hobbled this year).

If you put Dak in Seattle this year he'd be a bottom 5 performer. And that's the difference.

Ifs butts candy and nuts... never works
 

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You give our O-line far too much credit IMO Makto. Our 2016 O-line was lights out. Our 2018 line are yet to turn the lights on or they're using a dimmer switch. Don't know enough about the Seattle O-line to debate that one. And Wilson has a coupe of fast WR's in Lockett and DJ Moore

What would Dak have done with the worst offensive line in all of football in 2016 and the 5th worst offensive line in 2017?

And who would argue that Dak had inferior offensive skill players on aggregate those 2 years than Seattle?

Dak vs. Russ is an awful comparison. Also Russ probably gets re-upped this offseason and becomes owner of the richest QB contract in NFL history when it is signed. Does anyone believe Dak will ever hold that distinction?

PFF 2016 Offensive line Ranking:

Dallas - 1
Seattle - 32

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-from-the-2017-nfl-season

PFF 2017 Offensive line Ranking:

Dallas - 4
Seattle - 27

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season
 

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Russ has had unarguably the better defense.

Dak has been unarguably on the better offense.

Russ is CARRYING his team the last 2 to 3 years with one of the worst offensive lines in football and a sporting cast on offense that has existed of Doug Baldwin as a top level player (and Doug has been hobbled this year).

If you put Dak in Seattle this year he'd be a bottom 5 performer. And that's the difference.

Dak would have better coaching in Seattle.
 

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This seems to be the go to comparison for media pundits for whatever reason when talking down to Dak. I assume it’s bevause both are athletic, scrambling black QBs initially perceived as a product of good teams. The inevitable conclusion of the comparison is that it turns out Wilson was much better than everyone thought (as he is now universally considered elite) but Dak is not at that level and doesn’t have the potential to. Indeed, I wager less than 10% of this board believes Dak can ever be what Russell Wilson currently is.

Well, let’s a take a look. A comparison of each player’s first 45 starts.

Dak:
30-15 W/L record
10,122 yards
225 YPG
66.1 completion %
7.5 YPA
11.2 YPC
62 passing TDs
24 INTs
942 rushing yards
17 rushing TDs
25 fumbles
95.8 QBR

Russ:
33-12 W/L record
9,375 yards
208 YPG
63.4 completion %
7.8 YPA
12.5 YPC
66 passing TDs
24 INTs
1,589 rushing yards
11 rushing TDs
31 fumbles
97.4 QBR

Pretty similar overall. Now I know what you’ll say, “But Russ got better every year”. Well, except he didn’t. His third year (2014) was arguably the WORST year of his career, where he had 14 fumbles, was sacked 45 times, had his lowest QB rating to that point and only had a total of 26 TDs running and passing.

Just food for thought

Dak will never be Wilson. Not in his Wildest dreams.
 

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Russ has had unarguably the better defense.

Dak has been unarguably on the better offense.

Russ is CARRYING his team the last 2 to 3 years with one of the worst offensive lines in football and a sporting cast on offense that has existed of Doug Baldwin as a top level player (and Doug has been hobbled this year).

If you put Dak in Seattle this year he'd be a bottom 5 performer. And that's the difference.

The OP was comparing their first 45 career games. Everything you just stated about Russell happened after his 45th game.
 
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