Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield have the same number of playoff wins

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Staubacher said:
None of those guys have played as long in the NFL or have a worse won-loss record in the playoffs. He stands alone for his suckage
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That is true, and my comments weren't defending Dak's record. That said, Jackson has been in the league for 6 seasons, won an MVP (regular season award), played under one of the best HC's and for one of the best organizations. But playoff record is 1-3.
Herbert is essentially a .500 'regular season' QB for his career to date.
Tua enjoyed more success after gaining Hill, and with Waddle, Mostert, etc.
Lawrence & the Jags seemingly regressed.
 
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Ok so what? Baker Mayfield was the number 1 overall draft pick and he's on his 4th team. He should have way more than Dak and he shouldn't be on his FOURTH TEAM in SIX YEARS!
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Baker Mayfield shows why a lot of highly touted young QBs struggle when they enter the league.. they go to crap teams, behind crap OLines with crap coaches.

I know Flacco lost.. but even him throwing the ball like he did at 39 years literally coming off the couch.. talent is what it is. Talent doesn't disappear.

That is why I am keen to see what Lance can do. there is a reason why he was highly rated.. I know that he hasn't shown any of that at NFL level but Cooper Rush showed that you don't have to be great to look very good at Dallas.

Mayfield is a prime example of why we simply can not continue with Dak.. no more excuses.. Dak just does not have what it takes to win meaningful games.. he doesn't have the arm and he doesn't have the accuracy or game smarts to make up for not having the arm. I'd much prefer Baker and I said that when he was available for cheap a few years back.

Same could be said for Stafford and Goff.. Carr.. there have been a HEAP of options available but the Dak blindness has kept us mired in this purgatory. There are probably 25 other QBs that could have won a SB with the Cowboys squad this year and Dak couldn't even get through the wildcard round.
 
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zeke21 said:
Baker Mayfield shows why a lot of highly touted young QBs struggle when they enter the league.. they go to crap teams, behind crap OLines with crap coaches.

I know Flacco lost.. but even him throwing the ball like he did at 39 years literally coming off the couch.. talent is what it is. Talent doesn't disappear.

That is why I am keen to see what Lance can do. there is a reason why he was highly rated.. I know that he hasn't shown any of that at NFL level but Cooper Rush showed that you don't have to be great to look very good at Dallas.

Mayfield is a prime example of why we simply can not continue with Dak.. no more excuses.. Dak just does not have what it takes to win meaningful games.. he doesn't have the arm and he doesn't have the accuracy or game smarts to make up for not having the arm. I'd much prefer Baker and I said that when he was available for cheap a few years back.

Same could be said for Stafford and Goff.. Carr.. there have been a HEAP of options available but the Dak blindness has kept us mired in this purgatory. There are probably 25 other QBs that could have won a SB with the Cowboys squad this year and Dak couldn't even get through the wildcard round.
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Cowboys squad could not sniff a Super Bowl with any qb besides Patrick and Burrow. Stop drinking the kool aide. The roster is mediocre at best.
 
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WillieBeamen said:
Baker is 2-1 with a 7:1 td to int ratio as well


He also won with Bowles as his head coach. Nobody in their right mind thinks Bowles is a better head coach than McCarthy do they?
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Lol, probably not a good time to ask if anyone is a better head coach than McCarthy.
 
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zeke21 said:
Baker Mayfield shows why a lot of highly touted young QBs struggle when they enter the league.. they go to crap teams, behind crap OLines with crap coaches.

I know Flacco lost.. but even him throwing the ball like he did at 39 years literally coming off the couch.. talent is what it is. Talent doesn't disappear.

That is why I am keen to see what Lance can do. there is a reason why he was highly rated.. I know that he hasn't shown any of that at NFL level but Cooper Rush showed that you don't have to be great to look very good at Dallas.

Mayfield is a prime example of why we simply can not continue with Dak.. no more excuses.. Dak just does not have what it takes to win meaningful games.. he doesn't have the arm and he doesn't have the accuracy or game smarts to make up for not having the arm. I'd much prefer Baker and I said that when he was available for cheap a few years back.

Same could be said for Stafford and Goff.. Carr.. there have been a HEAP of options available but the Dak blindness has kept us mired in this purgatory. There are probably 25 other QBs that could have won a SB with the Cowboys squad this year and Dak couldn't even get through the wildcard round.
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I agree with everything you said, especially about Lance and young QBs. But I do disagree with the last paragraph. Our run defense is not good to win in the playoffs.

We have 2 independent problems. 1. Dak is not a playoff caliber QB. He just can’t do it mentally. It’s a mental block or something. 2. Our run defense is non existent. What I don’t understand is how our organization continues to struggle with run defense. It’s been a problem for 20 years now.

But moving forward I’m really excited to see what Lance can do. He was drafted high for a reason. I’m hoping a change in scenery and coaching propels him. One thing about Lance that still stands out to me is a comment Trent Williams made. He said Lance will be a star in the league and he was upset to see him go. So was Steve Young. That’s pretty encouraging.
 
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Good for B. Mayfield.. He's always been fun to watch, especially when he was @ OU; Don't forget that he was the the #1 Overall draft pick in 2018 by the Cleveland Browns. He also won the coveted Heisman Trophy in 2017.** So, he is a highly decorated and talented QB.. Not sure what the heck happened to him in Cleveland, Carolina & L.A. Rams, but their loss is the Bucs gain.** An argument can be made that Mayfield should have far more playoff wins than Dak, because he is far more talented.. But football is the ultimate TEAM game, and you're only as good as the scheme / coaching you have and more importantly the players beside you.
 
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zerofill said:
I've liked Baker since day 1 in the NFL. He is way more likeable than Dak. I always felt like the Dak you see is fake **.
Also think Baker actually loves the game. Most of our players just compete for who can get the biggest contract, championships only matter in Madden.
Baker will give you everything he has. Even when it isn't enough, you know the kid tried.
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100% on the bold. He's a fraud. Both as a player and also as this "great guy" image everyone feels compelled to constantly talk about.

"Dak's a great guy, just not sure about his as a QB"
"Dak's a great teammate and leader, but just wonder about his ability to come through in the crunch"

News flash people--if you feel compelled to start a legit performance related criticism of someone with deference to his alleged great qualities as a human, maybe you're forcing it too much.

Dak's about Dak. Always has been, always will be, and we're going to see that coming up in his contract negotiations. Bank it.
 
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mardwin said:
Dak is the Jason Garrett of QBs
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BoysForLife said:
And Mayfield has spent half his career in Cleveland for Pete's sake
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And the Rams and played under multiple different offenses. This FO has baby-sat Dak. This is happening on a regular basis that the 2016 Dak story needs to die completely, especially considering the circumstances he walked into. There has been no QB in the league that has had the favorable circumstances that Dak has had to succeed. There is no more an era that is QB-friendly than this era.

Thinking it is a disaster for us letting Dak walk in this modern era is foolish.
 
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There has always been some hype around Dak. He was awful the first half of the season and McCoy literally called him *** on live TV and said the offense was dumbed down for him and he only reads half the field, which was true. He was getting trashed by everybody and suddenly it’s like the networks were told to go soft on him.

The offense stagnated again, people were once again saying he beats up on bad teams, until they beat up on the garbage Commanders and the MVP chants started happening again.

Then the playoffs happen which everybody said was the defining indicator at the beginning of the season, the regular season wins mean nothing, and Dak once again proved McCoy right.

The same type of aura was around Dak in 2020, though he completely sucked and all his points were garbage time stats with 7 TOs in 4 games. People tried to justify him that season based on DaNucci. But nobody was saying that Cooper Rush was 5-1.
 
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