News: Dak Prescott may need more help for Super Bowl season

[diefree666]

Points is sometimes a misleading stat; just like total yards; we won several very close games last year; we could have lost each of them. And when it really mattered in the playoff game we came out flat and got behind and the D could not make the stop when it most needed to.

So the homers blindly predicting Dak will improve need to face the reality that he had a magical season last year; the very best QBs in the history of the game only have years like that now and then. He could very well PLAY BETTER and have significantly worse stats.

Just like the D will need time to jell with the new backfield.

And to be blunt each of those teams mentioned had a better (and in at least one case hugely better) HC.

 

[CCBoy]

Points is sometimes a misleading stat; just like total yards; we won several very close games last year; we could have lost each of them. And when it really mattered in the playoff game we came out flat and got behind and the D could not make the stop when it most needed to.

So the homers blindly predicting Dak will improve need to face the reality that he had a magical season last year; the very best QBs in the history of the game only have years like that now and then. He could very well PLAY BETTER and have significantly worse stats.

Just like the D will need time to jell with the new backfield.

And to be blunt each of those teams mentioned had a better (and in at least one case hugely better) HC.

How many passes were affected by in your face pressure, for Dak last season? Think that improves?

As to defense, points don't cover all considerations...but being able to stay ahead, does. Combine the strong run defense and limiting opponents scoring, while scoring, does present a tool.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

If that is all one see's is a perpetual pendulum...why bother to stay around?

Better yet, keep a pendulum of negativity in your plain sight...not ours.

I didn't read DFWJC post as negative. Don't know where that assumption came from.

 

[jwooten15]

Take a stance then, how good do you think this defense ends up by the end of regular season...without using an imaginary dart board for effect?

....oh, and don't throw out a worse than the past SEVEN years as a corner stone.

I'm trying to understand what you're trying to get at.

If you think the defense is already at a championship level, then what is it that allows you to project how good they'll be NEXT year "without using an imaginary dart board for effect?" To predict future performance, is by its very nature, a GUESS. You can not have firm footing on a guess.

You have no basis to tangibly know this group will be as good/better than we have been in years past. So don't come at people wanting "proof" of an opinion when you have no proof of your own.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Well have to see how our d is in the redzone this season compared to last years d. Last year, #1 redzone d on the road, and I think around the middle of the pack at home. We have some great versatility in this d that's for sure. A lot of depth. Can't wait to see the rookies along with Jaylon Smith and Tapper. Gonna be fun.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm trying to understand what you're trying to get at.

If you think the defense is already at a championship level, then what is it that allows you to project how good they'll be NEXT year "without using an imaginary dart board for effect?" To predict future performance, is by its very nature, a GUESS. You can not have firm footing on a guess.

You have no basis to tangibly know if this group will be as good/better than we have been in years past. So don't come at people wanting "proof" of an opinion when you have no proof of your own.

No Sir, some Dallas information on thread, has been added already...and not addressed, that does approach category.


2013 Seattle Seahawks: #1 defense points against, #4 rushing offense

2005 Pittsburgh Steelers: #3 defense points against, #5 rushing offense

2001 New England Patriots: #6 defense points against, #13 rushing offense

1999 St. Louis Rams: #4 defense points against, #5 rushing offense...


Defense points against...1-6, with a Super Bowl.

Now what is missing when applying that very same standard for Dallas, last season...Discussion?

 

[jwooten15]

No Sir, some Dallas information on thread, has been added already...and not addressed, that does approach category.


2013 Seattle Seahawks: #1 defense points against, #4 rushing offense

2005 Pittsburgh Steelers: #3 defense points against, #5 rushing offense

2001 New England Patriots: #6 defense points against, #13 rushing offense

1999 St. Louis Rams: #4 defense points against, #5 rushing offense...


Defense points against...1-6, with a Super Bowl.

Now what is missing when applying that very same standard for Dallas, last season...Discussion?

If you're going to live in the past and blindly assume the 2017 Cowboys defense be #5 in scoring defense ONLY because that is what the 2016 did, then we have absolutely nothing else to discuss.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

So the homers blindly predicting Dak will improve need to face the reality that he had a magical season last year; the very best QBs in the history of the game only have years like that now and then. He could very well PLAY BETTER and have significantly worse stats.

The statistics in this thread beg to differ and aren't coming from homers. But you keep after that strawman.

 

[CCBoy]

If you're going to live in the past and blindly assume the 2017 Cowboys defense be #5 in scoring defense ONLY because that is what the 2016 did, then we have absolutely nothing else to discuss.

No, if YOU don't wish to discuss elements...then bug out.

 

[Trouty]

Sounds good CC.

pretty sure any sane person reading this thread would be wondering what on earth your beef was.
cheers anyway.

I certainly am. LOL

 

[CCBoy]

I didn't read DFWJC post as negative. Don't know where that assumption came from.

You have defined your statements for discussion...not a problem.

 

[CCBoy]

If you're going to live in the past and blindly assume the 2017 Cowboys defense be #5 in scoring defense ONLY because that is what the 2016 did, then we have absolutely nothing else to discuss.

No, that is a point to develop discussion from...as it is still valid imput on the realm of possible for this year's team...and an improvement with new secondary players, healthy return of last year's defensive linemen, and both Smith and Tapper being available come game day...now imply that is meandering in the land of Oz.

 

[jwooten15]

My reaction to this whole thread.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Here are the facts.

Dak had the second highest passer rating in a players first 16 games.
The rest of the top 5 all went to the Super Bowl the following season.
Four second year QBs have won a Super Bowl.
All four have had strong running games and defenses that didn't give up too many points.
Dallas had a strong running game.
Dallas had a defense that didn't give up too many points.

None of this means Dallas will win the Super Bowl. What it does mean is that people certain of regression are ignoring the historical trend of players who have enjoyed similar early success. It also means that it's not being a homer to think that he has a good shot at building on that success , if you're following statistical trends.

 

[tyke1doe]

The Rams defense wasn't all that. The offense carried that team.

 

[rags747]

Same story last 7 years or so. The defense has to be way better to consider a SB run.
For awhile it was both the oline and defense.
More recently, obviously, it's just the defense.
They're young and hungry, and the FO is putting more emphasis there. Maybe the D can make the jump soon.

Seems more like 15-20yrs, pre Parcells days even

 

[haleyrules]

Careful, you might be accused of being negative and asked to leave because you stated fact about defenses the last 5 years.
I agree with you that the future looks brighter now on D--at least hopeful--than it has in recent years. At least moving in the right direction.
That should be considered a positive.

That post was very positive and accurate. The Cowboys are a year or two away. But, they are getting closer and closer. Find a leader for that defense and watch out.

 

[ghst187]

We'd have seven rings by now going for eight if garrett was worth anything.
Game management, finding/exploitingmismatches, and having players ready to play seem to be bigger issues holding us back over our defensive deficiencies.

 

[MileyDancer]

A couple stats I find interesting is that in 2016, we had the 5th ranked scoring defense in the league. .

Damn, really? I literally can't think of a single time we scored on defense. But, I've also slept (and drank) since then.

 

[JoeKing]

Dak did all he could to win a SB last year. That comeback to go into OT in the playoffs was a thing of beauty. Defense needs to step up.