Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

[kskboys]

I found it frustrating looking at the Jets and Browns game on Thursday. Both teams had rookie QBs who are further along on the "process" than Dak.

I'm beginning to wonder if the development Dak is another decade long Jason Garrett "process" that never gets there.

The first and the third picks in the entire draft are more developed than a raw 4th rounder? No way.

 

[kskboys]

My point was we had three in 2016. Having 1.5 All-Pros on the line is better than what 90% of the QBs in the league have on their O-lines.

As far as RPOs, any system that is pedicated on your opponent playing undisciplined defense is not a system at all. It won't work on good teams and is not a good foundation for a playoff contender. Yeah, it can ocasionally be done if you have an elite defense that generates turnovers and you get really lucky on offense.

Read option tools can be effective, if a QB can play in the pocket too. Look at Aaron Rodgers. The guy is deadly from the pocket but even scarier when he improvises. That is the kind of QB Dak should aspire to become. He doesn't have Rodger's arm talent, but if he can prove that he can consistently making winning throws from the pocket, he will be playing more like Rodgers than Cam Newton. That is the kind of development we need from Dak.

BTW, the only time a QB running an RPO system won a Super Bowl, that QB had an elite, ball hawking Defense. Now that QB has become a pocket passer. He'd be even better if he had Dak's 1.5 All-Pros on the O-Line and Zeke.

Counting all pro's on the OL is a poor way to evaluate an OL.

 

[Blackthorn]

I don't think Landon Collins has deep cover responsibility on the long touchdown. The FS rotates over into a cover 1 shell. I think Collins is either a spy on the play (Dak or Zeke) or he has short-intermediate zone responsibility. In which case, he's still in perfect position.

Earlier in the week Collins made the statement that Dak would have to beat him. This showed the Giants did not respect Dak. These plays were designed perfect for Dak to capitalize on Landon Collins over pursuing the run and forgetting that he has coverage responsibilities. When Dak went in a throwing position on the televised version I heard all of the linemen scream pass. That is when Collins turns his head and realized he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

To set the record straight, Dak did beat Landon Collins, checkmate.

 

[kskboys]

You saw something in San Darnold? The dude was terrible.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/bo...9/21/jets-sam-darnold-not-inspiring-fear/amp/

Nah, he was OK for a rook. Not terrible, not great.

 

[Cap12]

Counting all pro's on the OL is a poor way to evaluate an OL.

True, but it is a start. Lines have to be cohesive and this line hasn't played enough together to get to that point yet. The fact that it contains a couple perenial All-Pros does show potential more than how it has played thus far. The line the Cowboys have at the moment is probably middle of the pack. It still has the potential to be a lot better. Look what we did to Cam in the second half.

 

[Reid1boys]

Dak is part of the 'Garrett Era' --- his career will likely be ended by bad coaching, & JG will throw him under the bus; and if need be Kellen Moore as well .

Good thing bad coaching didn’t make Romo be a ****** pocket passer.

I always find it amusing that ever good qb has great coaching, and every crappy qb has ****** coaching...... yeah, right, that’s how it works.

I’d argue the reverse... every good qb makes the head coach and o coordinator look like geniuses. Need an example.... look at the great George seifert this. I could give you many , many more, but it would fal on deaf ears.

 

[Cap12]

Not a system buddy, its a couple of plays that keeps the defense guessing. This helps Zeke as much as it helps Dak. You are wasting your time if you want Rogers. Its never going to happen. The romo haters said the same dumb stuff. Rogers doesnt win it all every year does he?

No, but like with Romo, it isn't usually Rodgers' fault when they do lose. As far as "system vs. plays" A system is something that is based on plays. If on practically every snap, you tell Dak to make a quick read, hand it off or run it, that is your system. If you incorporate those plays into something more complex like Linehan tried to do in Carolina, then that would be better than doing it as frequently as they did against the Giants. Good defenses that play their responsibilites can easily limt the effectiveness of RPO.

 

[Aviano90]

Good thing bad coaching didn’t make Romo be a ****** pocket passer.

I always find it amusing that ever good qb has great coaching, and every crappy qb has ****** coaching...... yeah, right, that’s how it works.

I’d argue the reverse... every good qb makes the head coach and o coordinator look like geniuses. Need an example.... look at the great George seifert this. I could give you many , many more, but it would fal on deaf ears.

If we could finally get Garrett a good QB he might not suck.

 

[kskboys]

Good thing bad coaching didn’t make Romo be a ****** pocket passer.

I always find it amusing that ever good qb has great coaching, and every crappy qb has ****** coaching...... yeah, right, that’s how it works.

I’d argue the reverse... every good qb makes the head coach and o coordinator look like geniuses. Need an example.... look at the great George seifert this. I could give you many , many more, but it would fal on deaf ears.

Yup.

 

[kskboys]

asily
No, but like with Romo, it isn't usually Rodgers' fault when they do lose. As far as "system vs. plays" A system is something that is based on plays. If on practically every snap, you tell Dak to make a quick read, hand it off or run it, that is your system. If you incorporate those plays into something more complex like Linehan tried to do in Carolina, then that would be better than doing it as frequently as they did against the Giants. Good defenses that play their responsibilites can easily limt the effectiveness of RPO.

Rodgers is good, no doubt, but I think you might be overrating him a bit. He's laid a lot of playoff clunkers.

 

[G2]

Me too. Better talent across the line and Zeke was way better than Barber and Felix combined. Beasley was a better possession receiver than guys like Ogletree and Hurd etc. I still believe that 2016 had the best talent.

I mean that's one example of a team, but what about a HOF Owens and Witten? I have a hard time believing they weren't enough.
Or, how about Murray having the best season a Dallas RB has ever had? Ever. Maybe if Romo made better late season decisions we would have had more postseason success.

 

[G2]

No, but like with Romo, it isn't usually Rodgers' fault when they do lose.

You may have missed a handful of things being Romo's fault.

 

[Little Jr]

Dak does a lot of things right. I just don't think his arm abilities are going to get much better than this.

And I don't think your posting and commenting abilities will get much better than this. But there is always hope for you, pulling for you buddy just like I'm sure you're pulling for Dak to improve.

 

[Vtwin]

To be fair, Erod's comments are about the topic of the thread.

The guys commenting about Erod and not the topic are the ones who come across as "triggered" and as having an "agenda".

It's almost as if they can't bare too read an opinion different than their own.

 

[G2]

I love Dak. Greatest dude on the team. Just not an NFL arm talent. Is that so hard to understand?

He's a quality backup. I don't see it getting better. Period.

Ok cool, so you're done, right? That's all you really ever say, so why keep repeating the same things?

 

[RJ_MacReady]

To be fair, Erod's comments are about the topic of the thread.

The guys commenting about Erod and not the topic are the ones who come across as "triggered" and as having an "agenda".

It's almost as if they can't bare too read an opinion different than their own.

Or maybe some other posters are just plain fed up with him poo-poo’ing every single Dak thread? It’s just a thought.

 

[Vtwin]

Or maybe some other posters are just plain fed up with him poo-poo’ing every single Dak thread? It’s just a thought.

So you agree. They are triggered and have an agenda.

I find dissenting opinions which are at least on topic far better than personal attacks which have nothing to do with the Cowboys or football.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

So you agree. They are triggered and have an agenda.

Negative.

 

[Rockport]

Romo was close to done. You don't think I know that?

I miss good quarterbacking, no matter who it is. That's the issue. This is hard to watch.

You really need to look a little deeper into stuff.

You need to look at yourself.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Dak finally completes a pass downfield and he's a chess master?

Too bad after the first 3 plays, he looked pretty putrid. 160 yards passing doesn't beat anyone good.