Dak > Wince

KJJ said:
Seriously the last two seasons have been a nightmare for Wentz. He plays most of the season putting the Eagles in position only to get injured and have Foles take over for the home stretch and playoffs. What a great gig Foles has, just stands around all season on the sidelines then gets to take over in the money games.
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C’mon anyone who has a heart has to feel for Wentz. While Foles was receiving accolades for winning the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP, the only notoriety Wentz has received the past year is for his resemblance to Prince Harry. How sad is that! :laugh:
 
tyke1doe said:
The problem with such analysis is that there's simply too much context being left out in order to adequately interpret the numbers.
There are other factors such as:
1. How did the quarterbacks play in the game.
2. What was the margin of victory?
3. Who was playing in the game on both sides?
4. Were their major injuries on either side that would have affected the outcome of the game?
5. What was the coaching strategy?
6. How did other players perform?

etc.

We simply look at numbers and say, "See, Dak's record is 32-16 with 8 of 32 teams with winning records." Okay, but let's examine those games. For example, let's look at the New Orleans game. Is anyone who saw that game attributing Dak with winning that game for us or being the primary factor in that win? Or is it the defense that kept a Saints offense average 40 points a game to 10?

There are just too many variables to consider.
But have at it.
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thats my point. People get hung up on this stupid GWD stat and go nuts. WHen there is too much to factor in and is not even close to being soley on one person let alone just Offense . Because GWDs also count if a FG is made .... lets say a very bad flag gets thrown and it then puts the GWD team into FG range and boom .... Dak get another GWD to his stats. Just like it does not count for winning double digits. But thats why I brought up the 8 of 32 to show examples of it being crap.
 
Birdgang said:
thats my point. People get hung up on this stupid GWD stat and go nuts. WHen there is too much to factor in and is not even close to being soley on one person let alone just Offense . Because GWDs also count if a FG is made .... lets say a very bad flag gets thrown and it then puts the GWD team into FG range and boom .... Dak get another GWD to his stats. Just like it does not count for winning double digits. But thats why I brought up the 8 of 32 to show examples of it being crap.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I generally don't make such comparisons. Stats are good in context, but observation also counts for something.
I loved me some Tim Tebow and what he stands for. I loved his last minute comebacks. He was a leader among men. Hard working. Determined. His intangibles were GREATER than Dak's.
But he was an AWFUL quarterback first-through-third quarters. And everyone who had eyes to see knew it. But that didn't stop his ardent supporters from arguing on his behalf.
Similarly, the same can be said about Dak.
And I was one of his biggest supporters in his rookie year. I think if he had progressed from his first year, we would be 14-2 right now at the worst. He's still a bus driver. And, no, I'm not convinced by his last-minute victories. From my perspective, those were games we should have been winning by double digits negating the need for last-minute heroics.
Nevertheless, I like his grit and determination. I hope he gets better. But I can't lie. I'm hoping somehow, someway we can get our hands on Tua.
 
Birdgang said:
thats my point. People get hung up on this stupid GWD stat and go nuts. WHen there is too much to factor in and is not even close to being soley on one person let alone just Offense . Because GWDs also count if a FG is made .... lets say a very bad flag gets thrown and it then puts the GWD team into FG range and boom .... Dak get another GWD to his stats. Just like it does not count for winning double digits. But thats why I brought up the 8 of 32 to show examples of it being crap.
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when the same player/team keeps getting them though there is something to it. there are players that hardly ever get them as well. wentz being one of them. foles slots right in and already has more than wentz for the season.
 
zeroburrito said:
when the same player/team keeps getting them though there is something to it. there are players that hardly ever get them as well. wentz being one of them. foles slots right in and already has more than wentz for the season.
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yes they are keeping games close and not winning by double digits .... Dak for example only 8 of his 32 wins came from teams with a winning record. So tells me that he is struggling with bad/mediocre teams . To add onto that , he only has 7 GWD TDs so the other 7 games either a FG did it or someone else.
 
tyke1doe said:
Fair enough. Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I generally don't make such comparisons. Stats are good in context, but observation also counts for something.
I loved me some Tim Tebow and what he stands for. I loved his last minute comebacks. He was a leader among men. Hard working. Determined. His intangibles were GREATER than Dak's.
But he was an AWFUL quarterback first-through-third quarters. And everyone who had eyes to see knew it. But that didn't stop his ardent supporters from arguing on his behalf.
Similarly, the same can be said about Dak.
And I was one of his biggest supporters in his rookie year. I think if he had progressed from his first year, we would be 14-2 right now at the worst. He's still a bus driver. And, no, I'm not convinced by his last-minute victories. From my perspective, those were games we should have been winning by double digits negating the need for last-minute heroics.
Nevertheless, I like his grit and determination. I hope he gets better. But I can't lie. I'm hoping somehow, someway we can get our hands on Tua.
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thats the other thing with the last minute GWD , game is close enough to have easily gone the other way. I know Dak has a Horseshoe up his butt because Ive never seen fumbles bounce right back into someones hands this year like Dak has. As an example since he is always brought up . Wentz in his rookie year lost by 7 points or less in all but 3 of those games. This year as well only man handled by Saints ..... but the GWD does not show Defense that falls apart late given up 3rd n Longs / 4ths . Wentz has never been shut out and he has also been able to lead his team down the filed to score at least 1 TD every game since 2016
 
Birdgang said:
thats the other thing with the last minute GWD , game is close enough to have easily gone the other way. I know Dak has a Horseshoe up his butt because Ive never seen fumbles bounce right back into someones hands this year like Dak has. As an example since he is always brought up . Wentz in his rookie year lost by 7 points or less in all but 3 of those games. This year as well only man handled by Saints ..... but the GWD does not show Defense that falls apart late given up 3rd n Longs / 4ths . Wentz has never been shut out and he has also been able to lead his team down the filed to score at least 1 TD every game since 2016
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You are full of it. Wentz failed to score a TD once this year and 4 times his rookie year.
 
Irvin88_4life said:
You are full of it. Wentz failed to score a TD once this year and 4 times his rookie year.
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Maybe you could read a bit better .... I didnt say Wentz scored a TD or threw one . I said he lead his team downfield to score a TD you know like a RB
 
Birdgang said:
Maybe you could read a bit better .... I didnt say Wentz scored a TD or threw one . I said he lead his team downfield to score a TD you know like a RB
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So you mean his teammates did the work and you are giving him the credit...... Got you
 
Irvin88_4life said:
So you mean his teammates did the work and you are giving him the credit...... Got you
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nice try but notice yet again the words written. He led his "TEAM" which would mean that he did his job and got his "TEAM" in a position to score . I could understand if I used different words or maybe used some BS stat to pump him up .... like Game winning drives and just gave credit to him , that would sound more like " HE" did alone and not the "TEAM"
 
Birdgang said:
nice try but notice yet again the words written. He led his "TEAM" which would mean that he did his job and got his "TEAM" in a position to score . I could understand if I used different words or maybe used some BS stat to pump him up .... like Game winning drives and just gave credit to him , that would sound more like " HE" did alone and not the "TEAM"
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So you want to give credit to Wentz for his teammates scoring but not give Dak credit for leading his teammates to score in game winning situations.

You ain't nothing but a flip flopping joke just to push your Dak hate agenda. Can't nobody take you serious when you can't stay on one side of the debate. Either the QB gets credit for leading his team down the field to score or he doesn't. Just because you like Wentz and dislike Dak you can't move goal post.
 
Irvin88_4life said:
So you want to give credit to Wentz for his teammates scoring but not give Dak credit for leading his teammates to score in game winning situations.

You ain't nothing but a flip flopping joke just to push your Dak hate agenda. Can't nobody take you serious when you can't stay on one side of the debate. Either the QB gets credit for leading his team down the field to score or he doesn't. Just because you like Wentz and dislike Dak you can't move goal post.
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Ignorance is bliss ya? Maybe read my OP then you would understand the context which actually you, in fact, are trying to twist to your own god knows what. I like how when using team turns into singular in your mind. Should I name every single player on the team while talking about drives ? But lets stay on topic .... GWDs is a stupid stat people use to try and boost perception or worth of a player. It takes a TEAM to get GWD hell sometimes even the other team or refs can do the work for you to get that stat. BTW show me one of my only 50 posts where I have Dak hate ..... I actually have mostly praise. So once again FAIL
 
KJJ said:
C’mon anyone who has a heart has to feel for Wentz. While Foles was receiving accolades for winning the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP, the only notoriety Wentz has received the past year is for his resemblance to Prince Harry. How sad is that! :laugh:
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lol... Wince is a fraud.
 
Irvin88_4life said:
So you want to give credit to Wentz for his teammates scoring but not give Dak credit for leading his teammates to score in game winning situations.

You ain't nothing but a flip flopping joke just to push your Dak hate agenda. Can't nobody take you serious when you can't stay on one side of the debate. Either the QB gets credit for leading his team down the field to score or he doesn't. Just because you like Wentz and dislike Dak you can't move goal post.
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No double standard there at all.. :popcorn:
 
KJJ said:
Wouldn’t go that far he’s got a lot of talent. He just can’t stay healthy.
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He needs to learn to protect himself better and realize he is not in the FSC anymore. I would be more concerned about bone strength then his freak hit ACL. Although in todays world they both can be fixed with min problems.

Bleu Star said:
Ok.....



Wince is a Sean Lee clone...

Better?
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He is not their yet but dam close. Lee is a beast though and needs to be on staff. Get him going as a LB coach which he already does and move on up. He is as well a beast , his body has just taken too much abuse and never healed right imo
 
Bleu Star said:
Ok.....

Wince is a Sean Lee clone...

Better?
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I would go with RG3. Both were number two overall picks who showed great potential early until the injuries. Both QBs don’t seem to know how to protect themselves when on the move. They take a lot of big shots.
 
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