Dak > Wince

[StarOfGlory]

Wallace and Sproles weren't part of the Superbowl team but nice try

You said that Foles had a healthy team. That is false. You don’t have to be such a homer to admit that Foles didn’t have a healthy team. Peters, their left guard, their speed WR, and a very talented back we’re not playing. And if you want to use who played in thevSB, well, Blount wasn’t even on the team anymore. It’s not about a “nice try”; it’s about a truthful representation of what happened. Or, in the words of Col. Nathan Jessie, “You can’t handle the truth.” There is no need to denigrate what others did to make Dak look better. If you have to do that, then perhaps you are insecure about how good Dak is.

 

[Nav22]

Actually, that's not what you said. Let me run it back for you.



Uh, winning 11 games IS NOT winning more frequently than winning 24 games.



Actually, it's not MUCH better. You could argue that Dak has won MORE FREQUENTLY, but you're not going to do that because it contradicts your aforementioned argument. Even so, Dak has played more games than Wentz. Of course, he would have either a better win or worse loss record than Wentz? Duh!
Any more useless stats?



See, this is the problem with numbers and stats. You can make them prove ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO!!!
First, we're talking about Dak and Wentz first three years. Then we start comparing McNabb's and Brady's first three years (two in Brady's case).
And I make the argument that McNabb was considered the better quarterback due to the disparity of when their careers started.
Then you come back with a 2001 comparison.
You're moving all over the place.


Hmm. So you don't need to watch the tape to determine why Wentz may not be connecting on his passes? We're just supposed to take your word for it?


Oh, great. Some guy name Joseph Santoliquito says Wentz is not a clutch quarterback. And we're supposed to take his word as Gospel?



Here's where analysis is your friend.
In 2017, in the 12 games Wentz played leading the team to a 10-2 record, 7 of the 10 wins were by DOUBLE DIGITS. One (the game Wentz was injured in) was by eight, one by 3, another by 2.
So here's the $20,000 question: why do you need late game heroics when you're blowing teams out?

See, this is why statistics and numbers are so misleading. They need to be interpreted within a context.
I'll ask you this simple question: which quarterback would you want on your team:
A. A quarterback who is efficient throughout the game leading your team to a double digit victory or
B. A quarterback who stinks it up for much of the game (Tim Tebow) but delivers your team to victory in the closing minutes?



7-2 with double digits!!!!
Me likely manipulating stats.

LOL at you avoiding that dirty little truth about Wentz’s lack of a clutch gene.

He’s a loser. 2 losing seasons in 3 years.

Oh, and in that 1 winning season, his team was so stacked that the backup QB won the playoff games and Super Bowl.

Wentz is 1-5 vs teams with a winning record this year. His game vs the Saints was maybe the most pathetic performance of the entire season by any QB.

Oh, and Wentz’s backup is 2-0 vs teams with a winning record.

 

[tyke1doe]

LOL at you avoiding that dirty little truth about Wentz’s lack of a clutch gene.

Why do you need a clutch gene when you have a dominant gene?

He’s a loser. 2 losing seasons in 3 years.

A loser who put his team in a position to when a Super Bowl.

Oh, and in that 1 winning season, his team was so stacked that the backup QB won the playoff games and Super Bowl.

But he led that team for the majority of the season. Remember 10-2?

Wentz is 1-5 vs teams with a winning record this year. His game vs the Saints was maybe the most pathetic performance of the entire season by any QB.

Hmm. I think you're forgetting someone named Blake Bortles.

Oh, and Wentz’s backup is 2-0 vs teams with a winning record.

I thought this was about Wentz?

 

[Nav22]

Why do you need a clutch gene when you have a dominant gene?


A loser who put his team in a position to when a Super Bowl.


But he led that team for the majority of the season. Remember 10-2?


Hmm. I think you're forgetting someone named Blake Bortles.


I thought this was about Wentz?

Was he dominant in 2016 or this season?

Nope. 7-9 and 5-6.

He’s been a loser more seasons than he’s been a winner. Garbage.

 

[tyke1doe]

Was he dominant in 2016 or this season?

Nope. 7-9 and 5-6.

He’s been a loser more seasons than he’s been a winner. Garbage.

Interesting how you skip over the 2017 season and forget he's coming off an injury.
That's what I mean by stats and numbers. You can manipulate them to say what you want them to say.

 

[Nav22]

Interesting how you skip over the 2017 season and forget he's coming off an injury.
That's what I mean by stats and numbers. You can manipulate them to say what you want them to say.

I’m not skipping anything.

He has 1 impressive season out of 3 total.

He has 2 losing seasons... and in THIS losing season, his backup is 4-1.

Garbage.

 

[Birdgang]

You said that Foles had a healthy team. That is false. You don’t have to be such a homer to admit that Foles didn’t have a healthy team. Peters, their left guard, their speed WR, and a very talented back we’re not playing. And if you want to use who played in thevSB, well, Blount wasn’t even on the team anymore. It’s not about a “nice try”; it’s about a truthful representation of what happened. Or, in the words of Col. Nathan Jessie, “You can’t handle the truth.” There is no need to denigrate what others did to make Dak look better. If you have to do that, then perhaps you are insecure about how good Dak is.

Smith gone to FA , no Mack Hollins "inury IR" and He had no Alshon as well which people forget he didnt come back from offseason surgery until week 4 . So like Wentz had no offseason/camp/preseason. Even though Defense was hit hardest with 13 of 53 man roster toasted. The injuries to run game hurt the most no Sproles until week 10 , Ajayi played hurt until he broke and same with Clement. It has been turnstyle Not to mention New WRs he has not worked with. Hence why Ertz was a huge safety net. Team freaked when it came out looking bad first 2 weeks and rushed Carson into ugly spot. He was getting killed back there surprised he was not hurt sooner. But somehow still put up better numbers then 2017 but the D screwed over the O every chance it got. never seen so many 3rd n long / 4th n longs giving up multi times a game

I’m not skipping anything.

He has 1 impressive season out of 3 total.

He has 2 losing seasons... and in THIS losing season, his backup is 4-1.

Garbage.

Even though Dak has 32 wins and 9 more games then Carson, Dak has only beaten 8 teams with winning records " if Philly lost this year would only be 6 LOL" Wentz has beat 9 teams with winning records out of his 23 wins. BUt yes a lot like to ignore facts and try to ignore that its like comparing apples to oranges in a lot of it. Wentz and Dak both went into very different situations. 1 went into a team that its HC has been established and year prior had won the division going 12-4 but 2015 had failed to have a reliable backup to injured QB. Wentz went into a team that was gutted by Chip Kelly and was now run by 1st year ROOKIE HC Doug.




Now 2016
- both teams were doing well. Wentz was doing great until they lost Lane Johnson for 10 games. 1st year of Dougs Reign ... you cant fix it all in one year and had no replacement for Lane. BTW Wentz's play went back after his return. Even with that only 3 of the games were out of reach the rest 7 points or less dif .

-Dak set the stage on fire but it was also like a perfect storm as no major problems happened like injuries ect . Now some would say lack of tape and introduction of a beast of man Zeke will do that. As its hard to cover Zeke the WRs , Witt and Not know if QB will run. But Dak and company came back down to earth and did the Jason Garret 1 n done.



2017
-Wentz and team improved. shoe in for MVP ACL/MCL week 13 huge ....

-Dak fought his best game in week 17 just so JG could have a "w" and winning record against the equivalent of a Practice squad of Eagles including a 3rd string QB very first NFL play / start.




2018
-Wentz , no Offseason or Pre, comes back week 3 . Besides a destroyed D filled with injuries. He comes back to loss of starting RBs 3 "including FA /injury" WRs Smith , Alshon and Hollins. Replacement Wallace. Yet was on pace beside all that to have better numbers year prior where he was in the MVP race. Hurt again but still able to play , shut down for obvious reasons.

-Dak started off horrid and then picked up after getting Armai Cooper. Went on soild run to take the NFCE. Even though the DIv was decimated 1st is still first. reminds most of Commanders 2015 which was joked about here a lot.




But yes there is the facts simplified. Stats or W/L record are never really a good or even true at times, and an indicator of a players talent. As its a team game and so much goes on around it. I personally dont get why its still a huge thing . Both teams should be happy along with fans . Both have young promising QBs that have teams that are built well enough to win SB. Both have their good and bads. But both are able to win. Dak right now is looking better besides " stats" as he has yet to miss a game. IMO that's the most important and most valuable thing.

 

[Nav22]

Smith gone to FA , no Mack Hollins "inury IR" and He had no Alshon as well which people forget he didnt come back from offseason surgery until week 4 . So like Wentz had no offseason/camp/preseason. Even though Defense was hit hardest with 13 of 53 man roster toasted. The injuries to run game hurt the most no Sproles until week 10 , Ajayi played hurt until he broke and same with Clement. It has been turnstyle Not to mention New WRs he has not worked with. Hence why Ertz was a huge safety net. Team freaked when it came out looking bad first 2 weeks and rushed Carson into ugly spot. He was getting killed back there surprised he was not hurt sooner. But somehow still put up better numbers then 2017 but the D screwed over the O every chance it got. never seen so many 3rd n long / 4th n longs giving up multi times a game






Even though Dak has 32 wins and 9 more games then Carson, Dak has only beaten 8 teams with winning records " if Philly lost this year would only be 6 LOL" Wentz has beat 9 teams with winning records out of his 23 wins. BUt yes a lot like to ignore facts and try to ignore that its like comparing apples to oranges in a lot of it. Wentz and Dak both went into very different situations. 1 went into a team that its HC has been established and year prior had won the division going 12-4 but 2015 had failed to have a reliable backup to injured QB. Wentz went into a team that was gutted by Chip Kelly and was now run by 1st year ROOKIE HC Doug.




Now 2016
- both teams were doing well. Wentz was doing great until they lost Lane Johnson for 10 games. 1st year of Dougs Reign ... you cant fix it all in one year and had no replacement for Lane. BTW Wentz's play went back after his return. Even with that only 3 of the games were out of reach the rest 7 points or less dif .

-Dak set the stage on fire but it was also like a perfect storm as no major problems happened like injuries ect . Now some would say lack of tape and introduction of a beast of man Zeke will do that. As its hard to cover Zeke the WRs , Witt and Not know if QB will run. But Dak and company came back down to earth and did the Jason Garret 1 n done.



2017
-Wentz and team improved. shoe in for MVP ACL/MCL week 13 huge ....

-Dak fought his best game in week 17 just so JG could have a "w" and winning record against the equivalent of a Practice squad of Eagles including a 3rd string QB very first NFL play / start.




2018
-Wentz , no Offseason or Pre, comes back week 3 . Besides a destroyed D filled with injuries. He comes back to loss of starting RBs 3 "including FA /injury" WRs Smith , Alshon and Hollins. Replacement Wallace. Yet was on pace beside all that to have better numbers year prior where he was in the MVP race. Hurt again but still able to play , shut down for obvious reasons.

-Dak started off horrid and then picked up after getting Armai Cooper. Went on soild run to take the NFCE. Even though the DIv was decimated 1st is still first. reminds most of Commanders 2015 which was joked about here a lot.




But yes there is the facts simplified. Stats or W/L record are never really a good or even true at times, and an indicator of a players talent. As its a team game and so much goes on around it. I personally dont get why its still a huge thing . Both teams should be happy along with fans . Both have young promising QBs that have teams that are built well enough to win SB. Both have their good and bads. But both are able to win. Dak right now is looking better besides " stats" as he has yet to miss a game. IMO that's the most important and most valuable thing.

LOL Wentz is 23-17, pal. Dak’s 32-16. No amount of spin can change that.

“B-but Wentz beat 9 teams with winning records!”

What’s your point? So does that mean Wentz is complete garbage vs bad teams?

Wentz’s supporting cast with the Eagles was SO AWFUL this year that Nick Foles went 4-1 with them. Wentz went 5-6. Any more excuses?

 

[Cmac]

Let's be real...

Wince got hurt in college.

Wince hurt his knee last year.

Wince hurt his back this year.

Wince gets hurt. It's in his DNA.

Ok.....can we say Dak's passing is up & down, inconsistent, and "Wince" has a ring, regardless of playing in the Big Game?

 

[Birdgang]

LOL Wentz is 23-17, pal. Dak’s 32-16. No amount of spin can change that.

“B-but Wentz beat 9 teams with winning records!”

What’s your point? So does that mean Wentz is complete garbage vs bad teams?

Wentz’s supporting cast with the Eagles was SO AWFUL this year that Nick Foles went 4-1 with them. Wentz went 5-6. Any more excuses?

Im not going to explain elementary mathematics to you if those simple numbers confuse you. See there is also a difference between facts and excuses.

Eagles were awful ..... but what's that say about cowboys who struggled to beat said awful team. Even with a broken Wentz , I guess you must really be worried since Nick is at the helm and bears lack of playoff experience reaks upset? But Wentz does have a ring which if any of us like it or not he earned by putting his team 11-2 to get HFA. How about that goose egg against the Colts ? Even a awful Wentz beat them , worse its his ex OC now knows the team very very well.

The other fact that is hated and people love to perceive wrong . Wentz has improved each year from rookie season. Even injured with no camp/pre season did in 18. Dak however has not really been the same and has not shown improvement from rookie year. Although both Qbs proved something very telling. Wentz even with his best teammates out can win and put up improving numbers. He does not depend completely on certain players to perform. Dak has shown the opposite last year Zeke " the only Rb" missed a few games. Dak crumbled and folded like the index card that gave you a first down. This year , all we heard was Dak friendly and no need for a #1 WR . Once again showed Dak needed a Top positional player to perform, as seen after getting Cooper.

 

[Hadenough]

Would you rather have Dak or Foles?

Thats a good question! These Dak lovers will scoff at that and be insulted. I will say this, Dak had a great game against the Giants and made some really clutch throws against a JV defense. He needs to show that in the playoffs! Foles has already WON a SB ring doing that when it matters most!

 

[Hadenough]

Can we put this debate to bed once and for all?

Pay the man something fair and let's get on with acquiring some Lombardi trophies.

Linehan.... Gone
Kellen Moore... Gone
Dak..... Much improved afterwards

#beastmode

Didnt Wentz have the highest conversion rate on 3rd and 7+ last year. It was like 70%. Dak has gotten better but he hasnt show elite ability against top teams like Wentz did last year. Dak has yet to show that he can pick apart a good defense. Thats just not in his DNA!
Wentz has that capability but his struggles have been injuries and trying to get back to his normal level of play. He had a crummy year and missed at least 6 games and still threw more TD passes than Dak.
This debate isnt even a debate until Dak gets better!!

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Im not going to explain elementary mathematics to you if those simple numbers confuse you. See there is also a difference between facts and excuses.

Eagles were awful ..... but what's that say about cowboys who struggled to beat said awful team. Even with a broken Wentz , I guess you must really be worried since Nick is at the helm and bears lack of playoff experience reaks upset? But Wentz does have a ring which if any of us like it or not he earned by putting his team 11-2 to get HFA. How about that goose egg against the Colts ? Even a awful Wentz beat them , worse its his ex OC now knows the team very very well.

The other fact that is hated and people love to perceive wrong . Wentz has improved each year from rookie season. Even injured with no camp/pre season did in 18. Dak however has not really been the same and has not shown improvement from rookie year. Although both Qbs proved something very telling. Wentz even with his best teammates out can win and put up improving numbers. He does not depend completely on certain players to perform. Dak has shown the opposite last year Zeke " the only Rb" missed a few games. Dak crumbled and folded like the index card that gave you a first down. This year , all we heard was Dak friendly and no need for a #1 WR . Once again showed Dak needed a Top positional player to perform, as seen after getting Cooper.

Here you are flip flopping again. In one post you give all these reasons why Wentz has a losing record this season, because of all these injuries his team had. Then turn around and say he can win without his best players.

Meanwhile you say Dak can't win without his stars but fail to mention Dak has a winning record without Zeke and Tyron. Look what Dak did against the Giants, without Zeke and 3 starters on the OL out and another starter going down during the game.

Keep failing and having a double standard, it just makes you look foolish.

 

[shabazz]

The debate will be one step closer to being decided Saturday. The eye test in a big game against a solid defense will tell us if he’s able to step up in a huge game

If he rises to the occasion it will be easy to see and acknowledged. Wilson has come through beautifully in big games so one has no further to look right across the field

I have no agenda other than realism. If Dakota rises to the occasion I will be the first to acknowledge it but let’s just get one thing out the way. 170 passing and 55 %. Completion percentage ain’t getting it done. I need to see 3rd down conversions and an improved red zone offense. The Hawks stopping the run and doubling Cooper will not be an excuse. We shall see and judge

 

[Birdgang]

Here you are flip flopping again. In one post you give all these reasons why Wentz has a losing record this season, because of all these injuries his team had. Then turn around and say he can win without his best players.

Meanwhile you say Dak can't win without his stars but fail to mention Dak has a winning record without Zeke and Tyron. Look what Dak did against the Giants, without Zeke and 3 starters on the OL out and another starter going down during the game.

Keep failing and having a double standard, it just makes you look foolish.

Lots of hate huh .... Show me where I said anything but facts? There is no flip-flopping its just you wish to take one part of a reply from different posts to try and fit your agenda. I bet you didnt even check on what I said before, but you go brother stick to ur gunz. But hey you know Im used to playing games like these. My kids try the same thing when they don't agree or get what they want ... yet they are young and learned from there mother.

 

[DcFootball4]

What about all the people on here who keep saying that a quarterback can improve on here? Nobody is thinking that Foles may have improved and finally blossomed while under the Eagles? I don't think think just anybody can win Superbowl MVP against the best run organization in this Era.

I don’t hold nfl awards at much nowadays, Brady won Super Bowl mvp also when Butler won it for them.

 

[Birdgang]

I don’t hold nfl awards at much nowadays, Brady won Super Bowl mvp also when Butler won it for them.

Its always been geared heavy to favor the QB , reminds me of ROY a few years back /

 

[Fwed]

You make me chuckle. Thank you.

LOL You, a few homers on this site, and Dak's mom...the only people who would rather have Dak over Wentz.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

LOL You, a few homers on this site, and Dak's mom...the only people who would rather have Dak over Wentz.

Wentz is trash, bro. Damaged goods at this point. Come to grips with it and then migrate back over to www.phillytrash.com

 

[Bleu Star]

LOL You, a few homers on this site, and Dak's mom...the only people who would rather have Dak over Wentz.

Wince. Get it right.