Dak's Career in Perspective

[Nav22]

Dak is a mediocre quarterback, period.

However, this is his chance to finally prove otherwise. He has home field (unless he screws that up Sunday) and then he's got two home games to get to San Fran.

Until he plays well against legitimate contenders, he's still just Dak.

He doesn't even have to win against the Niners, but he has to play well. So far in truly clutch moments against THE teams, he never has.

Statistics mean absolutely nothing. They're all bloated these days because of the ridiculous rules, and Dak's are primarily garbage numbers against bad teams or in the 4th quarter of games already decided. And that goes for lots of quarterbacks.

Completely wrong and a stupid analysis.

There's no such thing as a "mediocre QB" who's an MVP candidate, 2nd in QBR, who's winning his division and who leads one of the very best offenses in football without a good run game.

 

[Nav22]

2024 and we are still trying to sell the dream that is Dak Prescott.

Right, even though NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs all rank him as one of the better QBs in football.

What's it like knowing you'd be laughed out of the room if you shared your Dak opinion with real-life NFL personnel?

I bet you'd feel like a know-nothing tool.

 

[Swagger]

Dak is a mediocre quarterback, period.

However, this is his chance to finally prove otherwise. He has home field (unless he screws that up Sunday) and then he's got two home games to get to San Fran.

Until he plays well against legitimate contenders, he's still just Dak.

He doesn't even have to win against the Niners, but he has to play well. So far in truly clutch moments against THE teams, he never has.

Statistics mean absolutely nothing. They're all bloated these days because of the ridiculous rules, and Dak's are primarily garbage numbers against bad teams or in the 4th quarter of games already decided. And that goes for lots of quarterbacks.

He won't even have to play that well to reach the Superbowl. It's clear the AFC has stronger teams - the Bills battered the Cowboys and the Ravens SMASHED and beat the blocks off the 49ers away.

The Lions are at the start of their journey - they will have stronger teams in the coming years, they aren't ready to reach the Superbowl at this juncture. The Eagles are clearly not a Superbowl team this season - I thought they would still win out but their defense sucks so badly they couldn't even hold the Cardinals to 30 points at home. Offense was fine put up 31 points but the D lost the game. The Rams have a bit about them but I don't think the defense will hold up against the elite teams which leaves the 49ers to beat.

So Prescott only has to hang with and outlast Mr Irrelevant for one game to reach a Superbowl. He was found wanting against him in the Play Offs last season so hopefully, he can do better this time around. There aren't many jobs in life where someone consistently fails, yet they are given chance after chance after chance to finally get it right with a strong supporting cast. In business you might be given another chance to run it back but Prescott is being given his third opportunity to get it right with a fair shake.

 

[Kingofholland]

Just some current trivia here....

Going into the final week, Dak leads the NFL in Total TDs-Total Turnovers (+24)
Five players are +20 or more
Prescott, Allen, Purdy, Hurts, Love
(probable MVP Jackson is +16 but has come on strong late in the season)

Dak is also only behind Purdy in Passer Rating

Here's to hoping he and the Boys top it off with a deep playoff run

Its just hard to understand Jackson being the favorite to win MVP but that seems what Vegas thinks.

When Jackson won in 2019 he led the league with 36 passing tds to 6 ints. Ran for over 1200 yards and 7 tds. So would say he earned that one.

This year he's thrown 24 passing tds which is tied for 10th most. 14th most passing yards, 5th in qb rating. 800 rushing yards and 5 tds. Rushing stats are impressive but there's also 2 QBs that rushed for 15 tds a piece.

I don't know but to me McCaffrey should be the guy, but if you're going to pick a QB Purdy or Dak aren't more deserving?

 

[glimmerman]

He is a top 10 QB. But it’s a team game. Plain and simple.. Your O-Line and run game and WRs have a lot to do with it…

 

[erod]

He won't even have to play that well to reach the Superbowl. It's clear the AFC has stronger teams - the Bills battered the Cowboys and the Ravens SMASHED and beat the blocks off the 49ers away.

The Lions are at the start of their journey - they will have stronger teams in the coming years, they aren't ready to reach the Superbowl at this juncture. The Eagles are clearly not a Superbowl team this season - I thought they would still win out but their defense sucks so badly they couldn't even hold the Cardinals to 30 points at home. Offense was fine put up 31 points but the D lost the game. The Rams have a bit about them but I don't think the defense will hold up against the elite teams which leaves the 49ers to beat.

So Prescott only has to hang with and outlast Mr Irrelevant for one game to reach a Superbowl. He was found wanting against him in the Play Offs last season so hopefully, he can do better this time around. There aren't many jobs in life where someone consistently fails, yet they are given chance after chance after chance to finally get it right with a strong supporting cast. In business you might be given another chance to run it back but Prescott is being given his third opportunity to get it right with a fair shake.

Did you miss 42-10 a couple months ago? It wasn't even that close.

And the Lions are every bit as good as we are. What pedigree do we have? Goff has played in a Super Bowl.

 

[DallasInDC]

I agree that Dak is much better QB overall than Hurts. Hurts mobility however allows him to pull some wins out that Dak would not get. All I am saying is Dak could improve greatly if he works on his speed and getting out of the pocket faster when pressure is coming and make stuff happen when we would lose otherwise. He just sits too long and drops back way too far. No excuse for 10-15 yard sacks.

Dak is pretty average *ranks 19 out of 37 from the list i used in the original post) when it comes to sacks per game (2.08) which is .59 more than the 5th ranked QB = 9 sacks more per year than the 5th ranked QB. However, in terms of yds/sck, Dak ranks 6th (6.02 yds/sack) Lamar Jackson is #1 with 5.08 yds/sack). So all in all, Dak is pretty average with the number of sacks, but he is better than most in the yards loss.

 

[DFWJC]

Its just hard to understand Jackson being the favorite to win MVP but that seems what Vegas thinks.

When Jackson won in 2019 he led the league with 36 passing tds to 6 ints. Ran for over 1200 yards and 7 tds. So would say he earned that one.

This year he's thrown 24 passing tds which is tied for 10th most. 14th most passing yards, 5th in qb rating. 800 rushing yards and 5 tds. Rushing stats are impressive but there's also 2 QBs that rushed for 15 tds a piece.

I don't know but to me McCaffrey should be the guy, but if you're going to pick a QB Purdy or Dak aren't more deserving?

The combined stat of Total TDs-Total Turnovers differential rank and just pure passer rating has predicted the MVP for almost every year since the 90s...and the last 10 in a row. It's usually directly correlatable.

Lamar has moved way up the ladder lately but only ranks a distant 3rd in that combination of stats behind Purdy and Dak.
His combined average rank is 5.5 and theirs is 2.

The bar is lower than normal this year for QBs though. There are a few that have had a good year but nobody has blown the doors off.
Like I said, Dak is a plus 24 after 16 games. That's really good. But the MVP is usually in the +30s (Mohomes +33 last year and Rodgers +36 the year before) while still having a Passer Rating often higher than these top guys.

His performances in wins on the big stage vs top-calibre teams lately have vaulted him to the top.

If jackson wins it, and appears he will. It will be the biggest outlier in at least 20 years.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

There has been a constant refrain by some on here and in the media that Dak is a below average QB. Some are starting to acknowledge that Dak is much better than that based on this year's performance, and some are still refusing to acknowledge that he is a top QB in the League (as evidenced by this exchange in the Dak is a good guy Thread):



I decided to look at how Dak over his career compared to his peers in the same time frame. I included all QBs that have played in at least 48 games (3 season minimum) from 2016 - 2023 (37 QBs included).

I used the following stats and ranked them from 1-37 and accumulated the rankings to see who had the highest rankings (lowest score):

Yds/GM | Comp % | Yds/Att | TD/Att | Int/Att | TD:INT Ratio | QB Rating | Winning % (used this for those who want to give the QB credit /blame for game wins/losses)

Across the 8 categories Dak's average ranking is 8. His highest ranking is 7th for QB rating, and his lowest ranking is 12th for Yds/GM. Dak ranks 6th overall when totaling the ranking for all 8 categories. No matter how you slice it, you cannot maintain this level of performance over 113 games compared to the entire league without being a top tier performing QB. This completely dispels the theory that Dak can't read defenses, is inaccurate, has low football IQ, can't make all of throws, etc. This shows there is a level of consistency in Daks play over the course of his career that is better than 85% of the QB during his career. The narrative that this Dak accumulates garbage stats and only plays well against the dredges of the league doesn't hold up as either when comparing across 8 seasons and having the 10th highest winning percentage.

Ranking for each of the categories:

Stats

Dak's an enigma. Sometimes, and especially recently this season, he looks amazing. Other times he's looked like a scrub, and that's especially so against the 49ers. Maybe he has a mental block about playing them. I'm honestly not sure why there's such a huge difference.

 

[RoboQB]

I think I’ll stay and keep you in check.

While you're at it, try to find ANY member saying Dak is less than average.
You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
You aren't keeping anyone in check, Paul Blart.

 

[RoboQB]

Its just hard to understand Jackson being the favorite to win MVP but that seems what Vegas thinks.

When Jackson won in 2019 he led the league with 36 passing tds to 6 ints. Ran for over 1200 yards and 7 tds. So would say he earned that one.

This year he's thrown 24 passing tds which is tied for 10th most. 14th most passing yards, 5th in qb rating. 800 rushing yards and 5 tds. Rushing stats are impressive but there's also 2 QBs that rushed for 15 tds a piece.

I don't know but to me McCaffrey should be the guy, but if you're going to pick a QB Purdy or Dak aren't more deserving?

Imagine the Ravens without Jackson.
They're a 5 to 7-win team.
With Lamar, they're the top in the NFL.

Plus, his timing is fortunate in this case:
-Dak survived the beatdown in SF and might even have locked up the award
in Buffalo, but that fell apart.
-Purdy survived the 3-game skid by crushing Philthy in a game that probably
eliminated Hurts as a candidate, at least it started his downfall.
-Jackson walked into SF and demolished them and Purdy's chances as a sole
winner.
-Any thoughts of co-MVP was eliminated when Jackson lit up Miami.

Fun fact:
As reported during the Miami vs Baltimore game, the Ravens have led
every game this year going into the final 2 minutes. Crazy!

 

[blueblood70]

I agree that Dak is much better QB overall than Hurts. Hurts mobility however allows him to pull some wins out that Dak would not get. All I am saying is Dak could improve greatly if he works on his speed and getting out of the pocket faster when pressure is coming and make stuff happen when we would lose otherwise. He just sits too long and drops back way too far. No excuse for 10-15 yard sacks.

Actually he is what he is at this point in his career he's eight years in has seven healthy years and we know who he is and now the front office will have to decide if they keep him here longer than 2024 which is his last year and we'll just have to roll with it because we have no control over anything like that.... I know we picked up Trey Lance but they might want to look at it second or third round quarterback if say pennix junior somehow falls or somebody like that's there you gotta take him gotta start looking towards the future but at the same time sort of like Green Bay has done as a recent example they went from Brett farve with Aaron Rodgers waiting and then they went from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan love we may have to sign Prescott a couple more years at the same time already have his successor in the wings...