Dak's Career in Perspective

[Ranching]

Dak is good and even great at fundamental QB play, he is just not that QB that can on his own, make the difference in close games. Mahomes, Jackson, Hurts are that guy due to their mobility when they are healthy. Dak just sits in the pocket to much and losses a ton of yards getting sacked back there. He has become a bit more mobile like his 2016 year with Moore departure but he still needs to step it up and get out of the pocket faster. He just not that great under pressure. His attempt to spin out of sacks always fail, he should just run rather than spin around.

Idiocy! Probably a choir boy.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

There has been a constant refrain by some on here and in the media that Dak is a below average QB. Some are starting to acknowledge that Dak is much better than that based on this year's performance, and some are still refusing to acknowledge that he is a top QB in the League (as evidenced by this exchange in the Dak is a good guy Thread):



I decided to look at how Dak over his career compared to his peers in the same time frame. I included all QBs that have played in at least 48 games (3 season minimum) from 2016 - 2023 (37 QBs included).

I used the following stats and ranked them from 1-37 and accumulated the rankings to see who had the highest rankings (lowest score):

Yds/GM | Comp % | Yds/Att | TD/Att | Int/Att | TD:INT Ratio | QB Rating | Winning % (used this for those who want to give the QB credit /blame for game wins/losses)

Across the 8 categories Dak's average ranking is 8. His highest ranking is 7th for QB rating, and his lowest ranking is 12th for Yds/GM. Dak ranks 6th overall when totaling the ranking for all 8 categories. No matter how you slice it, you cannot maintain this level of performance over 113 games compared to the entire league without being a top tier performing QB. This completely dispels the theory that Dak can't read defenses, is inaccurate, has low football IQ, can't make all of throws, etc. This shows there is a level of consistency in Daks play over the course of his career that is better than 85% of the QB during his career. The narrative that this Dak accumulates garbage stats and only plays well against the dredges of the league doesn't hold up as either when comparing across 8 seasons and having the 10th highest winning percentage.

Ranking for each of the categories:

Stats

Has survived and excelled at beating and stat-padding teams that were below .500 mostly at home with a very weak NFC East since his tenor.
Has only 2 playoff wins and is known for choking under pressure against good defenses esp away games.
Needs mostly the lead in most games or the defense to keep the other offense under 20 points or it's a loss.
Will face one dog team at home in the playoffs and who knows it might be 2 if Philly manages to come down to Dallas.
Winning in SF is doubtful but will be considered a success win or lose by the goofballs who run our team and will receive an extension guaranteeing another 5 years of non-glory for the Star.

 

[lwehlers]

Dak is a mediocre quarterback, period.

However, this is his chance to finally prove otherwise. He has home field (unless he screws that up Sunday) and then he's got two home games to get to San Fran.

Until he plays well against legitimate contenders, he's still just Dak.

He doesn't even have to win against the Niners, but he has to play well. So far in truly clutch moments against THE teams, he never has.

Statistics mean absolutely nothing. They're all bloated these days because of the ridiculous rules, and Dak's are primarily garbage numbers against bad teams or in the 4th quarter of games already decided. And that goes for lots of quarterbacks.

i dont think that dak is mediocre he is above average. my problem is he does not lift his team like mahomes and jackson and wins big games when his team is counting on him. tony romo had the same problem.

 

[Whyjerry]

There has been a constant refrain by some on here and in the media that Dak is a below average QB. Some are starting to acknowledge that Dak is much better than that based on this year's performance, and some are still refusing to acknowledge that he is a top QB in the League (as evidenced by this exchange in the Dak is a good guy Thread):



I decided to look at how Dak over his career compared to his peers in the same time frame. I included all QBs that have played in at least 48 games (3 season minimum) from 2016 - 2023 (37 QBs included).

I used the following stats and ranked them from 1-37 and accumulated the rankings to see who had the highest rankings (lowest score):

Yds/GM | Comp % | Yds/Att | TD/Att | Int/Att | TD:INT Ratio | QB Rating | Winning % (used this for those who want to give the QB credit /blame for game wins/losses)

Across the 8 categories Dak's average ranking is 8. His highest ranking is 7th for QB rating, and his lowest ranking is 12th for Yds/GM. Dak ranks 6th overall when totaling the ranking for all 8 categories. No matter how you slice it, you cannot maintain this level of performance over 113 games compared to the entire league without being a top tier performing QB. This completely dispels the theory that Dak can't read defenses, is inaccurate, has low football IQ, can't make all of throws, etc. This shows there is a level of consistency in Daks play over the course of his career that is better than 85% of the QB during his career. The narrative that this Dak accumulates garbage stats and only plays well against the dredges of the league doesn't hold up as either when comparing across 8 seasons and having the 10th highest winning percentage.

Ranking for each of the categories:

Stats

Well look at this. Science!!!

Anyone not overcome with anti Dak bias knows Dak is a good QB. He even has flashes with being a great QB. Unfortunately it has become a story of Dak doing it in a big game. Historically he has come up short in those but the man has some time. He will be judged on his ability to perform in the playoffs. The only way to win over the haters is to win it all. Even then I think some will still complain. I think Dak is a solid QB. He is an amazing steal as a 4th rounder.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

2024 and some people are trying to create their own reality that Dak is not a good QB capable of winning a SB.

How about we lower the bar. I don't think he can even get to a championship game let alone win one.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is good and even great at fundamental QB play, he is just not that QB that can on his own, make the difference in close games. Mahomes, Jackson, Hurts are that guy due to their mobility when they are healthy. Dak just sits in the pocket to much and losses a ton of yards getting sacked back there. He has become a bit more mobile like his 2016 year with Moore departure but he still needs to step it up and get out of the pocket faster. He just not that great under pressure. His attempt to spin out of sacks always fail, he should just run rather than spin around.

You'd best change your avatar pic. You definitely aren't smart enough to use a pic of Grogu.

 

[DFWJC]

Interesting stuff. At least mostly includes same-era guys.

Fwiw, those starting their careers a lot earlier than the current group probably should have some kind of time adjustment.
Even if it just uses their median year as the adjustment...so Dak's median year is about 2020. Brees and Brady 's median year, for example, was more like 2010 or 2011. Huge difference.
As everyone knows, QB ratings in 2010 not the same as QB rating in 2023....can probably add 8-10 points.
Btw, that also applies, in reverse, for the newer guys like Stroud. His median year is ..2023...lol

But your point is made. he is in a respectable group stats-wise.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Dak is good and even great at fundamental QB play, he is just not that QB that can on his own, make the difference in close games. Mahomes, Jackson, Hurts are that guy due to their mobility when they are healthy.

Jalen Hurts? Really? Dude failed to pass for even 200 yards in like 8 games this season.

 

[RoboQB]

Hmm.
I don't recall anyone claiming Dak was ever below average.
There are 32 teams. To say that would be to rank him 17th or worse.
Nobody here has done that.

I remember saying most sane pundits had him in the 8-10 ranking
and a "Tad" showed up calling me all kinds of names for ranking him
so low. This was around mid-season.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I would rather talk about this after the playoffs. Is his play right now really that much different than any other year since 2016? With the exception of 2020, no, it's not that much different. I still want to see him step up in the playoffs, and for most of his career he hasn't done well in these games.

Yep, all this talk about Dak this and Dak that....just for the attempt to puff up their chests ain't hacking it. Let's see again how he does in the playoffs and that will determine my opinion. Not on some stuff we've see before and ultimately failed. I'll give him his due then. To me right now, he is just another average QB who has not taken his team deep in the playoffs. It is not terrible to be that, just not the franchise difference maker some here make him out to be....the $60m dollar man.

 

[Rockport]

There has been a constant refrain by some on here and in the media that Dak is a below average QB. Some are starting to acknowledge that Dak is much better than that based on this year's performance, and some are still refusing to acknowledge that he is a top QB in the League (as evidenced by this exchange in the Dak is a good guy Thread):



I decided to look at how Dak over his career compared to his peers in the same time frame. I included all QBs that have played in at least 48 games (3 season minimum) from 2016 - 2023 (37 QBs included).

I used the following stats and ranked them from 1-37 and accumulated the rankings to see who had the highest rankings (lowest score):

Yds/GM | Comp % | Yds/Att | TD/Att | Int/Att | TD:INT Ratio | QB Rating | Winning % (used this for those who want to give the QB credit /blame for game wins/losses)

Across the 8 categories Dak's average ranking is 8. His highest ranking is 7th for QB rating, and his lowest ranking is 12th for Yds/GM. Dak ranks 6th overall when totaling the ranking for all 8 categories. No matter how you slice it, you cannot maintain this level of performance over 113 games compared to the entire league without being a top tier performing QB. This completely dispels the theory that Dak can't read defenses, is inaccurate, has low football IQ, can't make all of throws, etc. This shows there is a level of consistency in Daks play over the course of his career that is better than 85% of the QB during his career. The narrative that this Dak accumulates garbage stats and only plays well against the dredges of the league doesn't hold up as either when comparing across 8 seasons and having the 10th highest winning percentage.

Ranking for each of the categories:

Stats

Great post and thanks for going to all the work. Some of us have been saying this for years. Nice to see the proof.

 

[Rockport]

Hmm.
I don't recall anyone claiming Dak was ever below average.
There are 32 teams. To say that would be to rank him 17th or worse.
Nobody here has done that.

I remember saying most sane pundits had him in the 8-10 ranking
and a "Tad" showed up calling me all kinds of names for ranking him
so low. This was around mid-season.

Taking all stats into consideration, he’s the #1 QB in the NFL right now. Not #8. And you’ve been saying Dak‘s trash for years. It’s funny how all the slugs are trying to slime their way back onto the Dak bandwagon.

 

[FanofJerry]

I would rather talk about this after the playoffs. Is his play right now really that much different than any other year since 2016? With the exception of 2020, no, it's not that much different. I still want to see him step up in the playoffs, and for most of his career he hasn't done well in these games.

Define what Dak has to do in a playoff game loss for you to say he is good?

I think you want to latch on to playoff failure and no super bowls as a way to release hate.

Define it.

Asking QB's to win games on their own when there are 3 phases to the game and coaching that matter too...its beyond childish. Asking a QB to beat playoff schemes and good defenses on the regular or to play flawlessly or they are categorized as an average player not worth their contract...its past lazy. Its trash villain speak...its not making anyone better or making progress quicker....its just putting trash into the world/universe.

Define what Dak has to do in a team game for you to sound reasonable? Oh wait...your not allowed to be reasonable.

 

[RoboQB]

Taking all stats into consideration, he’s the #1 QB in the NFL right now. Not #8. And you’ve been saying Dak‘s trash for years. It’s funny how all the slugs are trying to slime their way back onto the Dak bandwagon.

First off, I don't like you.
Secondly, I've never called anyone "trash" ever, in my life.
Thirdly, my post indicates the time frame was roughly mid-season.
The context was the claim of calling Dak "below average".

Now, kindly, go away.

 

[Rockport]

First off, I don't like you.
Secondly, I've never called anyone "trash" ever, in my life.
Thirdly, my post indicates the time frame was roughly mid-season.
The context was the claim of calling Dak "below average".

Now, kindly, go away.

Come on man, you know you’ve been on Dak’s *** for years. Whether you said the word trash or not is irrelevant.

 

[RoboQB]

Come on man, you know you’ve been on Dak’s *** for years. Whether you said the word trash or not is irrelevant.

Proof? Source?
I'm part of the very large group stating anything less than an NFCCG
appearance is a disappointment and considered failure.

So, again, for the 2nd time, go away.

 

[RonnieT24]

2-4 in the playoffs. Dak said in his own words that quarterbacks are measured in post season wins and losses. I agree 100% with him!

He's correct.. Problem is QBs don't line up 1 on 1 against the other team's QB. Dak recognizing this bogus measurement doesn't make it right.

 

[Rockport]

Proof? Source?
I'm part of the very large group stating anything less than an NFCCG
appearance is a disappointment and considered failure.

So, again, for the 2nd time, go away.

I think I’ll stay and keep you in check.

 

[perrykemp]

Taking all stats into consideration, he’s the #1 QB in the NFL right now. Not #8. And you’ve been saying Dak‘s trash for years. It’s funny how all the slugs are trying to slime their way back onto the Dak bandwagon

I am a Dak supporter, but I just don't see how you back up this up.

Purdy has both a better QBR and QB rating than Dak. In fact ESPN's QBR was designed to take 'all" stats into account, not just passing, and not just an overly simplistic view of just Passing TDs, Ints, and Yards.

 

[Rockport]

I am a Dak supporter, but I just don't see how you back up this up.

Purdy has a better QBR and QB rating than Dak. In fact ESPN's QBR was designed to take 'all" stats into account, not just passing, and not just an overly simplistic view of just Passing TDs, Ints, and Yards.

He’s got a lot more weapons and a great defense. Dak has no running game, is constantly under pressure and a suspect defense yet they’re 11-5.