Dak's Pocket Presence

[Risen Star]

What pocket presence?

 

[Risen Star]

that would be a better QB coach to work with him on his footwork, drops, etc. not an OC

Yes, that's it. He just needs to be coached on these things. He's never been up to this point.

 

[CouchCoach]

Romo went to a 1-AA school and sat on the bench for 2.5 years before he ever saw the field. And my point is he gambled way too much early on, its a bad comparison to say 3rd year Dak Prescott should be making line adjustments like 12th year Tony Romo.

QB's read D's by their 3rd year or they get replaced. And I didn't mean Romo was good at it early on, he got played by DC's a lot.

Dak should realize when they're bringing the pressure and have a better plan than standing there and holding the ball. It's a beast that feeds on itself. The sacks get them in longer down and distance and that's exactly what this offense doesn't need because he's not good at 3rd and long.

I've said it all along, Dak should be using his legs more but not making contact as he did last night. Running upright at the 2nd level can ruin his health. Dak's legs got him on the Heisman list, he needs to use them more and maybe he gets the DC's to back off a little.

 

[Clove]

Sometimes theres just a whole bunch of bug guys surrounding him wether that be his own OL or opposing DL that dont give him anywhere to go. More then a few times on them 7 sacks guys were on top of his shortly after the snap because of protection breakdown.

Now he does have times where he just cant take a snap, but when he's in the pocket he cant just throw it away. Theres a yellow flag the refs are holding that will go flying.

Absolutely right. And one of those fumbles, the one they recovered, his own man prevented him from actually throwing the ball so he tried to pull it back. We ( at least ) need the middle to be well protected so he can step up.

 

[FTWayne]

Dak has always had pocket awareness issues. It states it pretty clear in his scouting reports. SMH

 

[Clove]

I mean, you saw what pressure can do to a QB last night, DREW BREES. You get pressure in a guys face, then a bunch of idiots sitting on their couch thinks you can just throw the ball anyways.

 

[Clove]

Ask Romo about "modifying the game". He played behind worse OL's than this one and he either had to improvise or get hammered.

Romo was 6 years in when he was given full immunity to do as please. Dak is 2.7 years in.

 

[Bobhaze]

that would be a better QB coach to work with him on his footwork, drops, etc. not an OC

Not necessarily. Ask Troy Aikman. He credits the Cowboys early 90s OC Norv Turner with coaching his drop back skills more than anyone.

The QB coach of course helps, but it’s usually the OC that determines the design of a play and how he wants his QB to execute. I’ve never seen a great OC not being involved with teaching his QBs how he wants footwork and drop backs done.

 

[davidariust24]

Dak is 6'2" and he doesn't have exceptionally tall receivers and some of these strip sacks look like he's unaware they're even close until they're right on top of him. He's trying to stay ready to throw and therefore doesn't have good ball security and the worst part is the D's know it.

So, how about a deeper drop to give him better field sight and awareness of the rush. To his credit, he is staying focused downfield and trying to make a play but that affects his pocket presence and he does not have that 6th sense some QB's have when the pocket is getting ready to collapse.

They need to do something because now that is game plan 1 for the D because they see how he's exposed on film.

The other thing they can do is a moving pocket, the OL seems athletic enough to do that.

Last night, 7 sacks and 2 fumbles as a result, not going to win many games against good teams with that stat.

I really feel like Dak is going through a transition on which he is trying to become a better pocket passer vs a roll out west coast offense type of passer. With that he is going to take some sacks it's either sacks or interceptions. You have to take a pick. He wants to be a stand and deliver qb, I love it. I wish he would have went through this last year in his second season like a lot of QBs do, but its here now and he is going to be better for it next season. He is starting to throw top tier qb throws from the pocket as well as keeping his abilities that are naturally ingrained in him such as throwing on the move. He is putting the pieces together. I see it. What amari cooper has done is he has opened the windows for Dak to exercise his abilities and to know what he can do and how to get better. Now guys like michael Gallup, who will be a stud, can be utilized to help the offense. Cole Beasley may get pushed out, we don't know. Dak is becoming the QB we know we can win with. He will never be a drew brees or aaron Rodgers but he can become say a Tony Romo. I mean he could develop and be able to get 30+ passing TDs and 3500 plus yards but he will also run for 300-400 yards and 5 -8 rushing TDs. With Zeke running I'll take that. If we get a Tightend that can take Wittens role look out. With Dak , Zeke, Amari an up coming Gallup on offense and Dlaw, LVE , J.Smith, B. Jones and co on defense, the window is open to win a superbowl for at least this and the next two seasons. We have the talent this season. Dak has grown. That is undeniable. His run for that first down was awesome. With every win I see Dak growing more and more into the qb of the future. If we make the playoffs, I think cowboys fans will change their tune and.be happy to have him. He w ok ne be great but he can be very good

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not necessarily. Ask Troy Aikman. He credits the Cowboys early 90s OC Norv Turner with coaching his drop back skills more than anyone.

The QB coach of course helps, but it’s usually the OC that determines the design of a play and how he wants his QB to execute. I’ve never seen a great OC not being involved with teaching his QBs how he wants footwork and drop backs done.

I am not saying the OC isn't involved but a lot of the repetition and work and feedback comes from QB coach.....his footwork, his throwing, etc are all about repetition and becoming second nature....some of the other stuff in regards to using his eyes, moving around the pocket, etc.....are OC and QB coach...it usually takes the village. so perhaps Aikman credit him but the QB coach probably worked with him...can't imagine OC having enough time to do all of that.

 

[Bobhaze]

I am not saying the OC isn't involved but a lot of the repetition and work and feedback comes from QB coach.....his footwork, his throwing, etc are all about repetition and becoming second nature....some of the other stuff in regards to using his eyes, moving around the pocket, etc.....are OC and QB coach...it usually takes the village. so perhaps Aikman credit him but the QB coach probably worked with him...can't imagine OC having enough time to do all of that.

Sure, but it was Norv Turner who fixed Aikman’s problems. Because Norv was the OC AND QB coach. There was no other QBs coach.

 

[Nav22]

Strip sacks are not better than picks because of the location on the field, most of the time.

That’s debatable since the offense could still recover the fumble, but they’re both bad.

I wasn’t trying to imply that Dak fumbling is better than Dak throwing picks.

 

[nate dizzle]

People can blame the line all they want, and they weren't great last night with the injuries, but the fact that even before this game Dak was third worst in the league in time to throw and first in getting sacked is not a coincidence.

 

[HungryLion]

If Dak could jusr be consistent with his footwork. It would fix so many issues.

More consistent accuracy.
Less sacks.
Less chance for fumbles.

 

[Runwildboys]

Romo went to a 1-AA school and sat on the bench for 2.5 years before he ever saw the field. And my point is he gambled way too much early on, its a bad comparison to say 3rd year Dak Prescott should be making line adjustments like 12th year Tony Romo.

If you're gonna compare him to Romo, shouldn't you compare him to Romo in his third year as a starter?

 

[Runwildboys]

I mean, you saw what pressure can do to a QB last night, DREW BREES. You get pressure in a guys face, then a bunch of idiots sitting on their couch thinks you can just throw the ball anyways.

We had more pressure on Brees, but only two sacks.

 

[slick325]

Some of the worst I've ever seen tbh. The way he panics almost makes it look like he is "shell shocked" and I mean the military definition. He reacts to footsteps or the sight of pressure OR on the polar opposite end, at times he can't even "feel" pressure which leads to a lack of ball security at times.

 

[Zman5]

How about starting with calling more play action? That should instantly improve his passing game.

 

[cnuball21]

Dak is 6'2" and he doesn't have exceptionally tall receivers and some of these strip sacks look like he's unaware they're even close until they're right on top of him. He's trying to stay ready to throw and therefore doesn't have good ball security and the worst part is the D's know it.

So, how about a deeper drop to give him better field sight and awareness of the rush. To his credit, he is staying focused downfield and trying to make a play but that affects his pocket presence and he does not have that 6th sense some QB's have when the pocket is getting ready to collapse.

They need to do something because now that is game plan 1 for the D because they see how he's exposed on film.

The other thing they can do is a moving pocket, the OL seems athletic enough to do that.

Last night, 7 sacks and 2 fumbles as a result, not going to win many games against good teams with that stat.

Daks size and drops have nothing to do with his problems.

It’s all about awareness. He doesn’t see the field and his pocket presence is poor. I don’t think he understands the concept of throw the ball away.

 

[Kaiser]

If you're gonna compare him to Romo, shouldn't you compare him to Romo in his third year as a starter?

The post I was replying to said that Dak (in his third year) should be making the kind of adjustments at the snap that Romo did in his prime, who was in the league 12 years. My point is that Romo wasn't Romo at the same point in their careers, he had to gain experience over many years to get to the point the poster is referencing. It took Romo years to get there, Dak will too but it will take time and fans should keep that perspective.

You can't say "Dak with three years in the league should be the player that Romo was with ten years in the league", when Romo wasn't even at the level Dak is now when he was three years into his NFL career.