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BoysfanfromNY said:
So now the defensive staff determines player acquisitions?

If so, its the same staff that had stiffs like nick hayden start for us for years, because they didnt value the 1-tech position.

And now, 2nd round picks arent big investments???
2nd round picks should be immediate starters. Where would this defense be, if Randy Gregory wasnt a bust and played to his potential?

You obviously dont understand the draft if you think 2nd round picks arent significant.

Lastly, you made @Pessimist_cowboy point when you mentioned the resources spent on the offense. This team isnt as good at scouting defensive talent as it is offensive, hence why most of our best players are on offense...
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You're looking at it backwards. The reason $86 million is paid for offensive players on this team as opposed to only 44 mil on defense? That's not bad scouting on defense. That's coaches placing an emphasis on offense. It's not because defensive scouts did a lousy job scouting and that's just the way things ended up.
 
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I merged all the Dallas cuts so far into the OP. There is also a Dal section in the stickied thread.
 
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SeanLee50 said:
Ross Cockrell ... 29th ranked corner last year. Logged 1000 plus snaps at corner. Adds more fire power to the Giants

You can say who to Bene. He won't be around long and is garbage
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Ross Cockrell is the guy who helped the Cowboys beat the Steelers last year by grabbing Witten's face mask on the final drive. Hopefully he provides the same firepower to the Giants.
 

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drawandstrike said:
You're looking at it backwards. The reason $86 million is paid for offensive players on this team as opposed to only 44 mil on defense? That's not bad scouting on defense. That's coaches placing an emphasis on offense. It's not because defensive scouts did a lousy job scouting and that's just the way things ended up.
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I'd have to disagree on that one. 86 million on offense went to good to great offensive players we drafted. 44 million on defense shows you we didn't hit on as many of those defensive players. how much money would've been invested if we hit on claiborne, gregory, or lawrence or even matt johnson lol?
 
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drawandstrike said:
You're looking at it backwards. The reason $86 million is paid for offensive players on this team as opposed to only 44 mil on defense? That's not bad scouting on defense. That's coaches placing an emphasis on offense. It's not because defensive scouts did a lousy job scouting and that's just the way things ended up.
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Thats just not true.

During the "McClay" era
2014-When Martin was drafted, we were taking Shazier until Pittsburgh took him first. It worked out for us being that Zack is the best OL in the league. We then traded up for DLaw next round.

2015-We took Byron Jones. Jury is still out on him, but he is overrated by this fan base. Lack of turnovers and was routinely beat by TEs last year. This will be a big year for him. We took R. Gregory next round.

2016-We took Zeke over Ramsey. Couldnt go wrong with either pick, but they chose Zeke due to instant impact, and they were right. We took Jaylon 2nd round.

2017-We took Taco first round, chido second round, and lewis third round.

That to me is hardly indicative of an emphasis on offense. While its too early to tell how Taco will end up, the offensive talent in the early rounds is superior to the defensive talent we have taken.
 
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drawandstrike said:
It's like people think the team was 13-3 last year based just on the offense. Not so.
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No matter the Time Of Possession, both teams get pretty much an equal amount of possessions to make things of them.
That should count, when considering O vs D. If both teams only get 4 times to score on O... the one that scores more efficiently amongst those opportunities is generally the winner, barring TO's.
This team won that battle way more often than not. But, it is true- When you get to the playoffs...
Good enough is not good enough anymore.

This team needs more talent on the D, and I'm including this year.
 
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BoysfanfromNY said:
Thats just not true.

During the "McClay" era
2014-When Martin was drafted, we were taking Shazier until Pittsburgh took him first. It worked out for us being that Zack is the best OL in the league. We then traded up for DLaw next round.

2015-We took Byron Jones. Jury is still out on him, but he is overrated by this fan base. Lack of turnovers and was routinely beat by TEs last year. This will be a big year for him. We took R. Gregory next round.

2016-We took Zeke over Ramsey. Couldnt go wrong with either pick, but they chose Zeke due to instant impact, and they were right. We took Jaylon 2nd round.

2017-We took Taco first round, chido second round, and lewis third round.

That to me is hardly indicative of an emphasis on offense. While its too early to tell how Taco will end up, the offensive talent in the early rounds is superior to the defensive talent we have taken.
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The shakedown on where the $ goes on this team was established by drafts long before McClay was put in charge. You're looking at too narrow a time frame of just 3 seasons.

The way the $ breaks down on offense vs. defense is based on how many players get the big initial contracts on their being drafted vs those who perform & get the big 2nd/3rd contracts.

On offense we have plenty of 1st round picks pulling in top dollar. And several players who clearly outperformed their draft position & are going to have to be paid huge 2nd contracts, such as Dak.

On defense we have 2 1st rounders in Taco & Byron Jones still on the team. MoC is gone. We stocked our O with top draft picks. Bryant, Martin, Elliott, Smith, Frederick, and that unit has players on it like Witten, a sure 1st ballot HOF.

That the defense has nothing comparable to that is not the SCOUTS fault. Scouts make recommendations, the coaches & the GM make the picks. And like it or not, there has been until 2014 more of a commitment to offense than defense in our drafting.

Under McClay they've tried to change the emphasis to defense, but it'll take some time for the defense to catch up.
 
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drawandstrike said:
The shakedown on where the $ goes on this team was established by drafts long before McClay was put in charge. You're looking at too narrow a time frame of just 3 seasons.

The way the $ breaks down on offense vs. defense is based on how many players get the big initial contracts on their being drafted vs those who perform & get the big 2nd/3rd contracts.

On offense we have plenty of 1st round picks pulling in top dollar. And several players who clearly outperformed their draft position & are going to have to be paid huge 2nd contracts, such as Dak.

On defense we have 2 1st rounders in Taco & Byron Jones still on the team. MoC is gone. We stocked our O with top draft picks. Bryant, Martin, Elliott, Smith, Frederick, and that unit has players on it like Witten, a sure 1st ballot HOF.

That the defense has nothing comparable to that is not the SCOUTS fault. Scouts make recommendations, the coaches & the GM make the picks. And like it or not, there has been until 2014 more of a commitment to offense than defense in our drafting.

Under McClay they've tried to change the emphasis to defense, but it'll take some time for the defense to catch up.
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I dont know if youve been following the intial argument, but it was based on scouting during "McClays tenure". In my initial post in this thread, I brought up the Brandon Carr deal, Mo Claiborne trade, Tyrone Crawford deal etc.

And youre moving the goal posts. You said the coaches are placing an emphasis on offense, and that just isnt true.


In 2014, we had 9 draft picks. 7 of them were used on defense.

In 2015, we had 8 draft picks. 5 of them were used on defense.

In 2016, we had 9 draft picks. 5 of them were used on defense.

In 2017, we had we had 9 draft picks. 7 of them were used on defense. (3 of the defensive players were released today)

The money invested in the offense is because we hit on those picks, rather than more emphasis. Only starter on our offense that we got via free agency was Cooper and hes the weakest link. Imagine how much money Claiborne would be making if he lived up to his draft status.

On defense, we brought in guys like Hardy and Thornton due to our inability to find players at those positions in the draft.
 
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Manwiththeplan said:
So is this more or less the roster?

QB: Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush
RB: Ezekiel Elliott, Darren McFadden, Alfred Morris, Rod Smith
FB: Keith Smith
WR: Dez Bryant, Brice Butler, Noah Brown
WR: Terrence Williams, Cole Beasley, Ryan Switzer
TE: Jason Witten, Geoff Swaim, James Hanna, Rico Gathers
LT: Tyron Smith, Chaz Green
LG: Jonathan Cooper
C: Travis Frederick, Joe Looney
RG: Zack Martin
RT: La’el Collins, Byron Bell

RDE: Demarcus Lawrence, Benson Mayowa, Charles Tapper
DT: Maliek Collins
DT: Cederic Thorton, Stephen Paea
LDE: Tyrone Crawford, Taco Charlton
WLB: Sean Lee, Justin Durant
MLB: Jaylon Smith, Anthony Hitchens, Mark Nzeocha
SLB: Damien Wilson, Kyle Wilber
CB: Orlando Scandrick, Chidobe Awuzie, Bene Benwikere
CB: Nolan Carrol, Anthony Brown, Jourdan Lewis
FS: Byron Jones, Xavier Woods
SS: Jeff Heath, Kavon Frazier

K: Dan Bailey
P: Chris Jones
LS: L.P. Ladouceur

SUS: Damontre Moore, David Irving, Randy Gregory
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I would've replace that new CB with Lewis Neal but the Fo doesn't agree
 
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Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
I would've replace that new CB with Lewis Neal but the Fo doesn't agree
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Problem is we could be short on corners. Carroll is likely to be suspended, Lewis has and still is hurt. So that leaves us with Scandrick, Brown, Chido. That's pretty thin come game day. I'm sure they will make a move, post what is happening to Carroll and when Lewis gets healthy.
 
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