Dallas Cowboys’ Kelvin Joseph is a person of interest in Dallas murder investigation

[Kingofholland]

One thing this post illuminates is that not only are people here armchair quarterbacks, coaches and GMs.. but apparently a lot of you are armchair lawyers too. This case will play out and take care of itself.. I'm on to the draft.

You have to be to survive these rants . Legal system should play out before Cowboys make a move, but we have to accept Joseph may not be here to play and have to plan as if he's not. Regardless someone who drives around with a buddy who murders someone, keeps it underwraps for weeks and goes about their business probably deserves whatever is coming.

 

[kskboys]

I think that's my biggest frustration with this organization right now. We haven't won in 25+ years but we have been the team to enable, give 2nd chances, draft injured players, etc. And we have no Super Bowls to show for it. So we have a lot of embarrassing moments on and off the field by knuckleheads and no winning to show for it. If Jerry wants to win get guys that are focused on football and not rehabilitation projects. Jerry is always looking for a steal. Well that's great in rounds 4-7. In rounds 1-3 get the stable player.

I'm not sure about the suspension part. If we don't cut him or let's say the league suspends him for a year I would be in favor of Jerry putting some money into mental health care and security for KJ. He needs it. But if he's not suspended then I want him cut and be someone else's problem. That may sound contradicting. When we had PacMan we had security around him 24/7 and eventually PacMan got into a fight with his security and his availability for next game was in question. If Jerry wants to play god/therapist/father figure/buddy with these players then do it with players we are not counting on week in and week out. Players we need on game day Jerry has to be the boss and hurt their feelings as an employer. Just my opinion. But I'm frustrated that these players let us down on game day or not being available to play and we lose and keep losing year in and year out. Frustrating.

More like go volunteer at a troubled youth camp and leave the NFL out of it!!!

 

[Acceptablename]

Just went to the store and i ran into one of my players from about 20 years ago....he hugged me and cried for about 10 minutes... honestly, I don't even remember his name, bit it made my day.....to think that I had that much influence on a kids life....wow

That had to be special

 

[Corso]

Man youre crazy. Go get a nice beach spot and chill.

Wife and I are looking into Costa Rica.
We're young, yet very much retirement ready and wanting to just go do things.
I have good friends and she has family there.

 

[Dodger12]

Were you in the room when kj was questioned? You seem to think kj answering questions is all it took to save his rear end.i think you are WAY off. They are going to look at the facts that entire night. If they could prove for a fact kj knew the guy was shot and died, they wouldn't be letting him just walk. And as of now, nothing says he's gonna walk. Too early to draw conclusions.

Not sure where you're coming up with these scenarios since I said nothing of the sort. I simply responded to this comment (and bolded that part for emphasis) and thought you were incorrect with your reasoning.

So Ill say again, the legal argument his lawyer will make is that he did not observe anyone getting shot.

I also never said KJ was going to walk after answering questions. On the contrary, I stated KJ may have to plead guilty to a crime (lesser offense) before trail....if there's a trial.

I'd be willing to bet the police did not have the two defendants positively identified but knew who KJ was based on his bling necklace and his local celebrity status. KJ helped positively identify the two defendants which is why they were arrested shortly after KJ's interview. His lawyer's tact at this point is to make the best deal possible for KJ's cooperation, not make the claim that KJ didn't know/observe anyone getting shot.

 

[Acceptablename]

Wife and I are looking into Costa Rica.
We're young, yet very much retirement ready and wanting to just go do things.
I have good friends and she has family there.

It’s the good life if you can

 

[Hennessy_King]

Wife and I are looking into Costa Rica.
We're young, yet very much retirement ready and wanting to just go do things.
I have good friends and she has family there.

Never been but heard great things. Thats what im tryin to do when i get these kids up out the house. Go enjoy it we only get one run at this life thing

 

[nobody]

Im sorry but if the young man did not commit a crime he should be able to still make a living. He should not be able to play football because ppl he hung out with a man who shot somebody? I hung out with people in my early 20s that committed crimes should my job fire me now?

Who's preventing him from working? Football requires reliability and because it's so public, a certain standard of behavior. If you're going to hang out with thugs and murderers and risk behavior that will get you suspended and unavailable to play, then yes, you risk getting cut. It's not hard to understand. Nobody has a right to play football in the NFL. Cutting him from the team for conduct is not preventing him from earning a living. That's a stupid argument.

Not only did he get in a fight, he rode in a vehicle where there's no way he didn't know someone fired shots from a vehicle in someone's direction. He kept quiet about it. Whether he knew someone was murdered or not, those are facts. You don't fire a gun at someone without some kind of intent.

So he was cognizant of that at the minimum and it can get worse from there. He's not some innocent bystander. He made his bed. He DID commit a crime by failing to report a crime. Playing football as a career is not a right. Get that argument out of there.

 

[plymkr]

More like go volunteer at a troubled youth camp and leave the NFL out of it!!!

Completely agree!! We're a football team, not a clinic.

 

[Kingofholland]

Im sorry but if the young man did not commit a crime he should be able to still make a living. He should not be able to play football because ppl he hung out with a man who shot somebody? I hung out with people in my early 20s that committed crimes should my job fire me now?

Did your friends murder somewhere where you were accessory and you covered it up for weeks? Probably a little different than petty crimes.

 

[nobody]

can you show me the exact law that requires you to file a police report?

Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 38.171. Failure to Report Felony

 

[Hennessy_King]

Who's preventing him from working? Football requires reliability and because it's so public, a certain standard of behavior. If you're going to hang out with thugs and murderers and risk behavior that will get you suspended and unavailable to play, then yes, you risk getting cut. It's not hard to understand. Nobody has a right to play football in the NFL. Cutting him from the team for conduct is not preventing him from earning a living. That's a stupid argument.

Not only did he get in a fight, he rode in a vehicle where there's no way he didn't know someone fired shots from a vehicle in someone's direction. He kept quiet about it. Whether he knew someone was murdered or not, those are facts. You don't fire a gun at someone without some kind of intent.

So he was cognizant of that at the minimum and it can get worse from there. He's not some innocent bystander. He made his bed. He DID commit a crime by failing to report a crime. Playing football as a career is not a right. Get that argument out of there.

If you think he runnin to the police talkin bout i was in a car that was in a drive by, willingly, you crazy. Our communities trust of the police is at an all time low and have seen ppl get locked up on nonsense. This view is really unrealistic and not really a viable argument. You are just moving the goalposts to crucify him for having awful friends.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 38.171. Failure to Report Felony

But the DA didnt charge him with that right?

 

[nobody]

Many people are defending this guy stating that anyone wanting this guy off the team are being "Moral police" and rushing to judgement.

Many are NOT saying this guy deserves to go to jail and are awaiting facts, but are saying that his conduct so far falls under "conduct detrimental to the team" (and league) clause and they don't want him on the team because he was a complete idiot.

Those are two separate arguments but his defenders claim that those wanting him off the team are doing the same thing as demanding he should be in prison. It's a ridiculously low-brow and idiot attempt to change the narrative and try to retain a football player because he might help the team. How can he help the team if he's that unreliable and cares more about off-the-field activity than keeping his nose clean while he's on the team?

 

[nobody]

If you think he runnin to the police talkin bout i was in a car that was in a drive by, willingly, you crazy. Our communities trust of the police is at an all time low and have seen ppl get locked up on nonsense. This view is really unrealistic and not really a viable argument. You are just moving the goalposts to crucify him for having awful friends.

I am not crucifying him or saying he deserves to go to jail. I'm saying he's stupid and a detriment to the team because his behavior risks suspensions. You're the one moving the goalposts by equivocating wanting him off the team with wanting him imprisoned.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Many people are defending this guy stating that anyone wanting this guy off the team are being "Moral police" and rushing to judgement.

Many are NOT saying this guy deserves to go to jail and are awaiting facts, but are saying that his conduct so far falls under "conduct detrimental to the team" (and league) clause and they don't want him on the team because he was a complete idiot.

Those are two separate arguments but his defenders claim that those wanting him off the team are doing the same thing as demanding he should be in prison. It's a ridiculously low-brow and idiot attempt to change the narrative and try to retain a football player because he might help the team. How can he help the team if he's that unreliable and cares more about off-the-field activity than keeping his nose clean while he's on the team?

But who are to say hes not allowed on the team if he didnt commit a crime?

 

[Hennessy_King]

I am not crucifying him or saying he deserves to go to jail. I'm saying he's stupid and a detriment to the team because his behavior risks suspensions. You're the one moving the goalposts by equivocating wanting him off the team with wanting him imprisoned.

But y if he can help the team win and hes not a convicted criminal? Hes gonna be suspended tho.

 

[nobody]

But the DA didnt charge him with that right?

Was he in the car when shots were fired out of it in the direction of someone they had got into an altercation with earlier that night? Yes. Did he report it? No. Was that admitted to later when police sought to question him? yes.

Done. Conduct detrimental to the league. It's not a court of law. I wish him well and hope he turns his life around. Just not as a Cowboy. Okay, you had a rough life growing up. That sucks and I feel for you. But if you want to defend this behavior? I have no sympathy for you. Bye.

 

[nobody]

But y if he can help the team win and hes not a convicted criminal? Hes gonna be suspended tho.

If he's suspended then he can't help the team, can he? He's a waste of a roster spot.

 

[nobody]

But who are to say hes not allowed on the team if he didnt commit a crime?

He committed a crime. It's been discussed ad nauseum in this thread.