Dallas Cowboys 2009 Outlook: A Rebuilding Year?

[silverbear]

we still have the same core

No, we don't... do pay attention...

as for me being a "cynic" excuse me

No, I don't think I will... I'm past fed up with you doing NOTHING but snarling, whining and complaining... you're the kind of joyless PITA who has no friends, because nobody can stand your relentless pessimism for very long...

As for us being fifth our secondary was still toast didn't force turnovers and continued to uive up big play after big play.

No, it didn't... the Boys were 5th in FEWEST completions of 20 yards or more allowed... and if what you said were true, they would have allowed a hell of a lot more than 187.7 yards per game... and they would have given up a hell of a lot more than 19 TD passes...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

No, we don't... do pay attention...



No, I don't think I will... I'm past fed up with you doing NOTHING but snarling, whining and complaining... you're the kind of joyless PITA who has no friends, because nobody can stand your relentless pessimism for very long...



No, it didn't... the Boys were 5th in FEWEST completions of 20 yards or more allowed... and if what you said were true, they would have allowed a hell of a lot more than 187.7 yards per game... and they would have given up a hell of a lot more than 19 TD passes...

so jones henry and williams played all 16 games last year. I see.

I do have friends IRL. Thanks for your concern though. What's a pita? I'm sorry my opinion upset you but i'm just calking things the way i see them the same way you are. No need to get so upset because of our different view points

those numbers are nice however our secondary was toast last year. even newman.

 

[silverbear]

2008's secondary was one of the worst in team history.

I've already dealt with this briefly, but I propose to take a little closer look at this bit of hyperbole...

Was 2008's secondary worse than the 2004 secondary, RR?? Look at the numbers, judge for yourself:

Completion Percentage allowed: 60.6 in 2008, 61.8 in 04... advantage, 2008 team...

Yards per Game allowed: 187.7 in 08, 220.1 in 04... big advantage, 2008 team...

TD passes allowed: 19 in 08, 31 in 04... BIG advantage, 2008 team...

Ints: 8 in 2008, 13 in 04... advantage, 2004 team... guess that means they were better, using your specious logic...

Quarterback Rating allowed: 86.2 in 08, 94.2 in 04... advantage, 08 team...

Yards per Attempt allowed: 6.6 in 08, 7.4 in 04... big advantage, 08 team...

So, which pass defense do you reckon was better, the 08 team, or the 04 team??

Now, let's go at this the opposite way, by talking about the 2001 pass defense... they only had 9 ints, which by your standards means they were a lousy pass defense, right?? But they allowed a 58.7 per cent completion rate, allowed an excellent 180.6 yards per game (3rd in the NFL that year), allowed 20 TD passes, gave up an 82.7 quarterback rating, and just 6.2 yards per attempt...

To me, that's some really good pass defense right there, marred ONLY by the fact they didn't get many ints...

Clearly, your claim that the 2008 Cowboys secondary was one of the worst in team history is beyond asinine... hell, in 85 the Boys ranked 27th in a 28 team league, in 83 they ranked 26th (there were other teams that didn't rank in the league's top 20, I'm just offering you the worst of the worst, and the NFL.com stats only go back to 1970, so I can't even factor in the early years)... if I offered you a full comparison of those teams' numbers versus this year's team numbers, you'd be embarrassed that you even tried to compare the 08 team's secondary to those truly lousy teams... and that was in an era that wasn't nearly as pass-happy as last year was...

Looking at the pass defense numbers year by year going back to 2000, the 2008 team is about middle of the pack over that time... you could look it up... that's hardly "one of the worst in team history"...

Bottom line, I'll bet I could come up with about 20-25 Cowboys teams since 1970 that put up worse numbers than the 08 team, and back my claims up with hard, cold facts...

 

[silverbear]

so jones henry and williams played all 16 games last year. I see.

LOL... so now your argument is that you're right because 3 of the anticipated starters missed a varying number of games... but logically, wouldn't the injury to 3 of the anticipated starters explain why the pass defense might have struggled some??

And they STILL ranked 5th in the league in yards per game allowed... even with all those injuries...

I do have friends IRL.

Not if you act like this in the real world, you don't... folks don't like people who are ALWAYS negative... but hey, perhaps you're one of those sick puppies who uses the internet to get out all your hostility, so that you're a more pleasant person when you turn the computer off...

What's a pita?

A type of bread...

But a PITA is a Pain In The (fill in your own blanks)...

I'm sorry my opinion upset you

It's not this opinion, it's 12,000 posts filled with vitriol... after about 10,000 of 'em, I started to get sick of it...

those numbers are nice however our secondary was toast last year. even newman.

The numbers don't lie... perhaps you just don't really grasp what you're seeing, and maybe that's because you get so PISSED OFF during a loss that you just can't see straight...

Basically, I'm saying your ability to analyze what's happening on the field is next to nonexistent...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

care to explain how injured players were the core of our secondary.

i'm the same offline as i am online. your inability to differentiate from online and offline is scary.

you want to tell me why a tea with a pash rush as good as ours only ranked 5th against the pass and couldn't generate turnovers. Oh wait it was the injuries that caused us to struggle in that department good thing we kept last years projected starters oh wait. We got rid off them in favor of the core guys who played last year.

so if we look at the players who were injured in the secondary and the players who are no longer with the team. Then we have the same core of players this year as last year.
you can stop any time.

 

[burmafrd]

The real CORE of our secondary and has been for several years is Newman and he was injured. Add Davis/Watkings at safety and a slumping Hamlin and you have a bad situation with 2 rookies also playing a lot and a CB who was pretty good slipping badly (Henry). Pacman I do not count since he was gone by midway in the season.
This year we have Sensebaugh who is better then Davis and Watkins combined, hopefully a healthy Newman and a much more experienced Scandrick and Jenkins. ANd we can really expect Hamlin to do better since he will not have to spend so much time trying to keep Davis/Watkins in line and watching out for them.

 

[zrinkill]

2008's secondary was one of the worst in team history.

Wow .... :laugh1:

 

[Aven8]

What he fails to mention is.....

Romo was hurt for 4 games
Kosier was out most of the year
Newman was out forever
RW11 came in at midseason and was hurt
Barber was hurt
Felix was hurt
RW38 was hurt
Spencer was hurt
Austin was hurt
Hurd was hurt
Witten was hurting all year.
Killa was hurt
Pacman sucked, and was suspended
Our punter was hurt
and.....
TO sucked most of the year. The 1st Philly game and SF game being the exception.

Put all that together and to come down to the last game with a chance to make the playoffs was pretty impressive when you think about it.

8-8????

Not a chance if we stay healthy!

 

[big dog cowboy]

8-8????

Not a chance if we stay healthy!

The voice of reason.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

So Roy Williams is a pro bowl reciever and Owens is just old and fading? How can I stay away from this hilarious board? LOL

 

[Apollo Creed]

This definitely isn't a rebuilding year. We're a young team with plenty of depth with a lot of players with chips on their shoulders.

We've got a defense primed to have a breakout year, an upgraded and much more athletic secondary - and several players will be more accustomed to the scheme.

We've got an offense with no 'focal point' we're going to work on utilizing all our players to the best of their ability, and not just as 2nd options. A healthy Felix and Barber will give us the best stable of backs in football.

The only ? mark is our offensive line. We need them healthy, and we need Romo upright if we want to have a chance to win down the stretch. Hopefully we'll lean on those backs and rely heavily on playaction and ball control with Rice and Beans.

Depth, youth, and competition are a great thing to have. Hopefully we can stay healthy and have some of these young players emerge to compliment our cornerstone guys.

 

[Big Country]

What he fails to mention is.....

Romo was hurt for 4 games
Kosier was out most of the year
Newman was out forever
RW11 came in at midseason and was hurt
Barber was hurt
Felix was hurt
RW38 was hurt
Spencer was hurt
Austin was hurt
Hurd was hurt
Witten was hurting all year.
Killa was hurt
Pacman sucked, and was suspended
Our punter was hurt
and.....
TO sucked most of the year. The 1st Philly game and SF game being the exception.

Put all that together and to come down to the last game with a chance to make the playoffs was pretty impressive when you think about it.

8-8????

Not a chance if we stay healthy!

word!!

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The real CORE of our secondary and has been for several years is Newman and he was injured. Add Davis/Watkings at safety and a slumping Hamlin and you have a bad situation with 2 rookies also playing a lot and a CB who was pretty good slipping badly (Henry). Pacman I do not count since he was gone by midway in the season.
This year we have Sensebaugh who is better then Davis and Watkins combined, hopefully a healthy Newman and a much more experienced Scandrick and Jenkins. ANd we can really expect Hamlin to do better since he will not have to spend so much time trying to keep Davis/Watkins in line and watching out for them.

1 person doesn't make a secondary.

 

[burmafrd]

I just mentioned several. Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you so hung up on Newman's injury you can't think of anything else?

 

[CATCH17]

We did an awful job of getting our receivers the ball in general.

I think it was obvious that Garret really didn't put TO, or any receiver in a position to be all they could be.

We just tried to run the defense off and throw it underneath most of the time.

If you wanted to complete a pass to TO you had to hit him 15 to 20 yards down field.

 

[jobberone]

This shows your uninformed or not very intelligent.

I could care less about grammar and spelling....except when someone says something about the intelligence of a poster.

 

[JoeyBones31]

:nono2: I wouldn't call this a rebuilding year, we have all the talent in the world, we just have no continuity and team leadership.

NO WAY is this a rebuilding year.

 

[DFWJC]

The 13-3 was not indictactive, but neither was the 9-7.

If this team can stay relativley healthy, 10-6 or even 11-5 is realistic, imo.

That's not rebuilding.

 

[tomson75]

This thread is hilarious. I'm not sure I've seen a thread where people have been so clearly outmatched, yet still think they're right in some capacity.