Dallas Cowboys Free Agents: Anthony Spencer Should Be Re-signed

JoeyBoy718

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Oh, how I wish all contracts worked that way... you'd see some passionate football being played and all records would be in danger
of being shattered.

You don't wish contracts work like that because then we'd spend our entire cap on Romo, Dez and Murray alone. With all the records we broke on offense, we'd have no money for defense. At least in reality we have some money.
 

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When I think of Spencer, I think of the following.

- How much can he contribute
- How much does he cost, even at the veteran minimum it's pretty significant
- How likely is it that he gets injured again
- Does his presence take away snaps from a player who could contribute more consistently down the line

That's why I say, I'd rather not see him make the team. It's one thing to pay him, but another to guarantee that money, and another to guarantee that spot for him.

I believe that we can get a younger guy to play just as well as spencer did last year. I do not want him back I think that he will stop the progress of a young player like the guy the cowboys drafted from Stanford who was on ir last year from making the team.
 

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you realize he made the vet minimum last year right?

Maybe his salary was vet min but I think his compensation was more. I think he had a lot of easy to achieve incentives such as being on the active roster, making the team on opening day roster, etc. Anyway, you do realize that even vet min is overpaying for Spencer at this point.
 

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I remember when we traded with Philly for the rights to take Spencer. I thought Philly was going to rue making that trade .
So much for the ruing.
If he stays or if he goes, it doesn't make any difference to me. I never thought he was all the great anyway.

At least the Cowboys got way more out of this trade than Philly. The Eagles used the pick they got from Dallas to draft quarterback Kevin Kolb. Spencer has at least contributed.
 

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You don't wish contracts work like that because then we'd spend our entire cap on Romo, Dez and Murray alone. With all the records we broke on offense, we'd have no money for defense. At least in reality we have some money.


I didn't mean to be taken literally..... and there would be no salary cap in an incentive based league wide pay-as-you-play world.

All fictional of course... just daydreaming.
 

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if they agreed to vet minimum, would you go w/ 31yr old Anthony Spencer or 33/34yr old Osi Uminyora?
 

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I bring him back. With a full offseason he should be strong and good to go.
 

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I want guys like Spencer. He always did the job he was asked to do.
As mentioned up thread he was looking much better toward the end of the season.
If he cant beat out the competition well, that's football
 

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I think Spencer will be back, will be better too as his knee has had 1 full year. He won't be expensive , The Boys like him and I'm sure he is quite content at this point to wrap it up in Dallas.
 

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Maybe his salary was vet min but I think his compensation was more. I think he had a lot of easy to achieve incentives such as being on the active roster, making the team on opening day roster, etc. Anyway, you do realize that even vet min is overpaying for Spencer at this point.

Spencer had a possible 2 million. That would have required playing 85% of all snaps.
He also had incentives for sacks that included 750K is he hit 11 sacks... hardly easy.
He did have smaller incentives such as 50k per game.

He cost us ~1.4M or about 400 thousand above minimum on the cap.

And no that is not overpaid. We paid a lot of other guys far more for far less.
Spencer was able to deliver pressure in the playoffs and had a sack and a forced fumble.
That alone is worth the vet minimum and his whole additional 400 k.

As to previous deals Spencer was overpaid for 2013. That singular season where he was injured and paid a franchise number of ~11m gave us zero.
Every other contract he was one was a good value for Dallas. In 2012 he did make just less than 9m but he also delivered double digit sacks and made the Pro Bowl.
Prior to that was his very affordable rookie contract.

Please take a second to look up stuff before posting nonsense. We already have to deal with silliness like you think he isn't worth the minimum even tho he played more than half the snaps after week 5 but the factual stuff is easy to check.
 

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I wouldn't mind having him back on a similar deal to last year's. He did look to be getter quicker as the season progressed. As long as he's not looking for any big money, I'd be happy to have him back as a rotational guy. I just hope that the team doesn't count on him for any more than that because I feel that would be a mistake.
 

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At least the Cowboys got way more out of this trade than Philly. The Eagles used the pick they got from Dallas to draft quarterback Kevin Kolb. Spencer has at least contributed.

I wouldn't say WAY more than Philadelphia. But point taken.
 

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I wouldn't mind having him back on a similar deal to last year's. He did look to be getter quicker as the season progressed. As long as he's not looking for any big money, I'd be happy to have him back as a rotational guy. I just hope that the team doesn't count on him for any more than that because I feel that would be a mistake.

He can be a big help with vet leadership and just being a good SDE. I agree he did look better as the season progressed. I expect him to be on the team this year and it won't surprise me to see him do well. In fact, I expect it. We need another edge rusher and he and Mincey can fill the holes until help arrives when it does.
 

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I want guys like Spencer. He always did the job he was asked to do.
As mentioned up thread he was looking much better toward the end of the season.
If he cant beat out the competition well, that's football

This for sure. He did get some speed back towards the end of the year which was suspected after the long layoff. He came back from a tough injury and made a presence on the field. Yes he's older and health questionable. See how he physically/mentally responds this off season. If his knee is completely healed according the medical staff, give him minimum with big incentives, also plenty of competition during TC and see how the cards are dealt. IF his knee is solid, and his head is right, he may regain the edge to be very productive this year.
 

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Spencer had a possible 2 million. That would have required playing 85% of all snaps.
He also had incentives for sacks that included 750K is he hit 11 sacks... hardly easy.
He did have smaller incentives such as 50k per game.

He cost us ~1.4M or about 400 thousand above minimum on the cap.

And no that is not overpaid. We paid a lot of other guys far more for far less.
Spencer was able to deliver pressure in the playoffs and had a sack and a forced fumble.
That alone is worth the vet minimum and his whole additional 400 k.

As to previous deals Spencer was overpaid for 2013. That singular season where he was injured and paid a franchise number of ~11m gave us zero.
Every other contract he was one was a good value for Dallas. In 2012 he did make just less than 9m but he also delivered double digit sacks and made the Pro Bowl.
Prior to that was his very affordable rookie contract.

Please take a second to look up stuff before posting nonsense. We already have to deal with silliness like you think he isn't worth the minimum even tho he played more than half the snaps after week 5 but the factual stuff is easy to check.

Ok, that one's gonna leave a mark.

Not sure what the reason is for the bias against Anthony Spencer from Cowboys fans. He was a good player for us on a value contract for most of his time here. And the team and the owner love him. He definitely didn't deliver a ton of sacks, and I think that's probably what the issue is with some, but he handles his responsibilities well and delivered very good value with the exception of his injured franchise year. And it seems kinda uncool to hold a career-threatening injury against a guy.

I think he'll likely be back on an incentive-laden deal again, too. And I think that's an ok move. Unlike in other years where he'd have been a challenge to replace, we'll probably have other reasonably-priced options available to us if he gets a better long-term deal elsewhere, but given that he'll be able to go through a full offseason camp again, and given that he did seem to play better for us as the season wore on, I think he's a good fit as a veteran rotational player with some upside for us. I imagine we'll have an easier time upgrading some other DL spots and we'll stick with the status quo here unless a bluebird falls into our laps from somewhere.
 

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I think it's time to move on from Spencer. I see him as a Strong Side DE and I just think we are a team loaded with Strong Side DEs and very few Weak Side Pass Rushing DEs.
 

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Ok, that one's gonna leave a mark.

Not sure what the reason is for the bias against Anthony Spencer from Cowboys fans. He was a good player for us on a value contract for most of his time here. And the team and the owner love him. He definitely didn't deliver a ton of sacks, and I think that's probably what the issue is with some, but he handles his responsibilities well and delivered very good value with the exception of his injured franchise year. And it seems kinda uncool to hold a career-threatening injury against a guy.

I think he'll likely be back on an incentive-laden deal again, too. And I think that's an ok move. Unlike in other years where he'd have been a challenge to replace, we'll probably have other reasonably-priced options available to us if he gets a better long-term deal elsewhere, but given that he'll be able to go through a full offseason camp again, and given that he did seem to play better for us as the season wore on, I think he's a good fit as a veteran rotational player with some upside for us. I imagine we'll have an easier time upgrading some other DL spots and we'll stick with the status quo here unless a bluebird falls into our laps from somewhere.

I get that fans have guys that annoy them. We all dealt with Matt Johnson's potential and other players development or overpaid status or drama... so I can somewhat understand.
But as we move beyond opinion into fact we probably need to nail that part of it so we can at least discuss it.

Spencer has been almost exactly what he was supposed to be. A very solid starter for most of his career with a peak of the Pro Bowl once as a key position. Pretty much dead in line with a late first round pick value.
He's never been handed massive amounts of money and when offers were equal he returned here even after we franchised him twice limiting his guaranteed dollars significantly.

Last season to me he looked done around mid-season. Rep guy who got stopped the run but zero pressure. BUT he actually improved as the season wore on and came up big in the playoffs as a starter.
I'd have zero issues giving him a deal very similar to last year with a 2nd season attached.

As fans we gotta accept the grass isn't always greener.
A lot of times the guys we bring in for FA are truly JAGs.
Mickey Spagnola's hilarious "if they are so good why are they available mantra" is becoming more and more true.

At the same time if the team goes another direction, so be it.
If any team deserves front office leeway it is this one.
This was a team projected to win 6 or 7 games by the vast majority and we won 12.
So they should get the benefit of the doubt.
 

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I think it's time to move on from Spencer. I see him as a Strong Side DE and I just think we are a team loaded with Strong Side DEs and very few Weak Side Pass Rushing DEs.

Not sure I agree there.
I don't see a starting SDE on the roster.
Mincey and DLaw both played WDE last year and I saw zero pressure from anyone playing SDE that wasn't Melton or Crawford until the playoffs when Spencer played SDE and Mincey/DLaw WDE.

Not sure Spencer is ideal as a starter but he is by far the most proven SDE we have.
It was supposed to be Goerge Selvie's job but he was too injured to ever really give us anything.

Gardner is a pure SDE but he's got to just take some snaps and make the team before we can pencil him in.
 

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Not sure I agree there.
I don't see a starting SDE on the roster.
Mincey and DLaw both played WDE last year and I saw zero pressure from anyone playing SDE that wasn't Melton or Crawford until the playoffs when Spencer played SDE and Mincey/DLaw WDE.

Not sure Spencer is ideal as a starter but he is by far the most proven SDE we have.
It was supposed to be Goerge Selvie's job but he was too injured to ever really give us anything.

Gardner is a pure SDE but he's got to just take some snaps and make the team before we can pencil him in.

I think we have a bunch of DEs who are probably better suited to play Strong Side DE or at best, backup Weakside DE. I don't believe we really have anybody who can really be depended on to bring pressure like we need to from the weakside. We don't have an edge rusher on this team. We have guys who play the position but we don't have guys who can get pressure. As I said earlier, Lawrence might turn into that guy but I don't know. I hope we figure out a way to bring in somebody who can play the position but I don't think it will be Spencer. I'd rather move on from Spencer. JMO
 
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