Dallas Cowboys Prioritize CeeDee Lamb's Contract Extension Before Others

blueblood70

Well-Known Member
Messages
42,054
Reaction score
28,647
Every year is different. You can only trade up with a team that doesn't need a QB. The cost varies from year to year. You have to do it eventually. We're not winning anything with our QB at a 20% cap hit. It just isn't possible. So what's the point? To look pretty in the regular season?
Then why are other teams with their top ten quarterbacks paying those quarterbacks hardly even getting close to winning the SB??? you know why??

because we've already seen the stat,

95 quarterbacks have been drafted since 2016 and only one of them have won a Super Bowl and the only one to do it on the rookie contract and after they got paid would be Patrick Mahomes they only elite quarterback in the league. So what's your point?? literally this blueprint ohh you better win with a quarterback on a rookie deal or you going to have to blow it all up and start over??

why didn't the Eagles start over ? why didn't the Eagles cut hurts or trade hurts & starts over? he didn't win a Super Bowl now he's got big time money and they're still paying all their other players.. are you saying they don't have a chance? There's an awful lot of quarterbacks out there making 42 to $55 million a year that their teams chose to pay them, and they're still have hopes to go to the Super bowl...

That blueprint is not holding true,

I mean Matthew Stafford I hired hitman, big time money ,they couldn't find a rookie to do it did Jared Goff win a Super Bowl for the lions or the Rams no but the lions think he's good enough so now they're paying him he's about to get another big contract, even though he has not won a Super Bowl...

I don't have to explain this anymore this whole pipe dream which yes it would be really convenient if you could find a good enough quarterback on a rookie deal matches with a great team with a great running game and a great defense and a great set of coaches to win a Super Bowl it's not even the way most teams are doing it..

If this was the case why are they trading for guys like Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson and bringing in a guy you know hasn't even got close like Kirk cousins to give him all that money coming off an injury?? I mean the league has said winning with their rookie quarterback is no longer the narrative that's just a hope, and hope is a pipe dream...
 

Flamma

Well-Known Member
Messages
24,116
Reaction score
20,690
Then why are other teams with their top ten quarterbacks paying those quarterbacks hardly even getting close to winning the SB??? you know why??

because we've already seen the stat,

95 quarterbacks have been drafted since 2016 and only one of them have won a Super Bowl and the only one to do it on the rookie contract and after they got paid would be Patrick Mahomes they only elite quarterback in the league. So what's your point?? literally this blueprint ohh you better win with a quarterback on a rookie deal or you going to have to blow it all up and start over??

why didn't the Eagles start over ? why didn't the Eagles cut hurts or trade hurts & starts over? he didn't win a Super Bowl now he's got big time money and they're still paying all their other players.. are you saying they don't have a chance? There's an awful lot of quarterbacks out there making 42 to $55 million a year that their teams chose to pay them, and they're still have hopes to go to the Super bowl...

That blueprint is not holding true,

I mean Matthew Stafford I hired hitman, big time money ,they couldn't find a rookie to do it did Jared Goff win a Super Bowl for the lions or the Rams no but the lions think he's good enough so now they're paying him he's about to get another big contract, even though he has not won a Super Bowl...

I don't have to explain this anymore this whole pipe dream which yes it would be really convenient if you could find a good enough quarterback on a rookie deal matches with a great team with a great running game and a great defense and a great set of coaches to win a Super Bowl it's not even the way most teams are doing it..

If this was the case why are they trading for guys like Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson and bringing in a guy you know hasn't even got close like Kirk cousins to give him all that money coming off an injury?? I mean the league has said winning with their rookie quarterback is no longer the narrative that's just a hope, and hope is a pipe dream...
Besides Patrick Mahomes, it's pretty much quarterbacks on rookie deals or around 10% of the cap hit getting to the SB. Burrow, Goff, Wentz, Purdy, Hurts, all were on rookie contracts. Stafford and Garoppolo did not have big cap hits.

Hurts right now only counts 5% against the cap. Dak is at 21% I believe. Owners pay these QBs because they don't want a bad team. It's bad for business. Winning a championship is not their top priority. Money is.
 

Typhus

Captain Catfish
Messages
21,033
Reaction score
23,861
Can you give me some context around how Cee Dees character and commitment will be evident to you based on the contract he signs?
Read the language of the contract, and cap impacts, do not worry about the money and your eyesight will be 20/20.
 

Nemesis4u

Well-Known Member
Messages
473
Reaction score
300
Really you mean the 95 quarterbacks who are taken since 2016 and only one of them got to a Super Bowl and won it I mean I don't know what you think we should just put any quarterback back there so we could afford a better team around him like that's some guarantee have you looked around the league it's kind of tough to find a quarterback like Prescott it could take three years five years a decade to find another guy like him you may not think so and I don't care if you agree with me or not that's ridiculous not any quarterback by any name or any talent can win you something just because you need the money to build the rest of the team but if you don't have a quarterback you're probably not going very far... Patrick mahomes the only elite quarterback right now in the league he's the only quarterback recently that both won on a rookie deal not have sense and also won since he got paid so somehow the can't see chiefs are doing I mean other people paid I don't know Matthew Stafford I do this about ready to retire to come over he did nothing his first 12 years with the lions and they brought him over and paid him big time money they gave up draft picks for him we didn't give up draft picks for Prescott they won a Super Bowl by hiring a guy like Prescott.. It didn't set them back much I mean they're back moving forward again they did try to move Matthew Stafford but he didn't want to leave and he hasn't no trade clause so he said no he wouldn't take a pay cut they're stuck with him but they managed..

So can we quit saying that as if we could just go out and dial 1800 and find the next Prescott that's good enough even with a better team which by the way this team is by far even if they pay Parsons and lamb and they have some young players they do not even have the offensive line or the run game or the defense not yet to be the 2000 Ravens or team that is absolutely dominant on defense to hold the team under 13 points a game and have a run game that's dominant that can carry a quarterback that's not like Prescott we don't have that team are you you think we're gonna build that team overnight while trying to find a quarterback good enough to fit that type of team that is not how it's being done at most of the league...

Did the Eagles win a Super Bowl with jalen hurts on his rookie deal did they care they paid him and they're paying everybody else too why is this concept only now being perceived to be a Cowboys issue there aren't a lot of teams winning Super Bowls it was Tom Brady and the patriots and then it was recently the Kansas City Chiefs a couple of dynasties there are no teams just popping up and building their team like you said and just instantly winning a Super Bowl...

I mean look how many times the 49ers have changed quarterbacks and now they have another rookie quarterback but they didn't win any Super Bowl since 1994 bro all these changes at quarterback all that talent on that team and they may be getting there more often than us they've been closer than us yeah they've been a better team but they're now dangerously close to having to pay Brock Purdy... Didn't Tom Brady get a contract a pretty big one from Tampa Bay to come over there and be there hired hitman that's right they had a quarterback not on a rookie deal and they won a Super Bowl.. Now they're paying a dude who no one thought could be a good starter in this league because they hope that he's the next guy but he they're not on a rookie deal..

Trust me you're not going to read all this because you're going to say it's too long even though everything I said is 100% true this alleged blueprint has been blown up now yes it would be nice to have a rookie so good on his rookie deal and the team so good around him that you can win a Super Bowl that is no longer the case all these quarterbacks now have been paid they have been drafted since 2016 and the top ten are all making more$42 million a year teams are not cutting their quarterbacks and building better teams and keep replacing their quarterbacks they find the quarterback 1st and then they hope it works out...
Yes i do mean the 95 quarterbacks who has been taken since 2016 and if our chances are really 1 outta 95 to get the one we want thats a higher chance then prescott winnning a championship while on a 60 million dollar contract which exactly 0 outta 95.
 

kskboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,972
Reaction score
50,823
Besides Patrick Mahomes, it's pretty much quarterbacks on rookie deals or around 10% of the cap hit getting to the SB. Burrow, Goff, Wentz, Purdy, Hurts, all were on rookie contracts. Stafford and Garoppolo did not have big cap hits.

Hurts right now only counts 5% against the cap. Dak is at 21% I believe. Owners pay these QBs because they don't want a bad team. It's bad for business. Winning a championship is not their top priority. Money is.
Yup. Putting fans in the seats.

Only a few franchises are focused on super bowls. If you have a decent QB, but one who won't take you all the way, you move on.
 

blueblood70

Well-Known Member
Messages
42,054
Reaction score
28,647
Besides Patrick Mahomes, it's pretty much quarterbacks on rookie deals or around 10% of the cap hit getting to the SB. Burrow, Goff, Wentz, Purdy, Hurts, all were on rookie contracts. Stafford and Garoppolo did not have big cap hits.

Hurts right now only counts 5% against the cap. Dak is at 21% I believe. Owners pay these QBs because they don't want a bad team. It's bad for business. Winning a championship is not their top priority. Money is.
First of all, please don't put Carson wentz in this conversation, he didn't win a Super Bowl ,Nick Foles did, that was dumb luck by the way they have your backup quarterback finished the run and by the way all those other guys were losers....hmm :facepalm:

we're talking about winning Super Bowls, not getting there there is no second prize... I mean did they give a runner up Lombardi like is it just a little smaller is it like a different color is it like a participation?? like I just wanna know where this goal post keeps getting moved the conversation is about winning Super Bowls, it is not working like you think.. That's why the stat matters 95 drafted quarterbacks since 2016 only one has won a Super Bowl and that would be Patrick mahomes this a few of them make the Super bowl and that somehow bolsters your argument no it doesn't it actually shows why teams are desperate to get a quality quarterback there are about 12 teams that have that they can get to the playoffs and at least have a shot.. So getting rid of your already established good quarterbacks for that kind of odds I mean 95 quarterbacks since 2016 and only one of them has won a Super Bowl if the goal the number one goal is to win a Super Bowl your argument is moot you can't just get rid of your best asset at quarterback cause it's the hardest one to find again.. The markets what the market is I mean now we're talking about receivers making 35 to $40 million it has changed this is not your dad's or your granddad's NFL there's a true real salary cap that's why all you analytic guys keep running these numbers back it don't matter none of this five percent 20% blah blah blah you have no proof it's only worked for one team since 2016 the rest of them are runner ups and there are very few of those..

So, we're just going to disagree about how many times you reply back. This is a really tough decision for an actual front office you know real people that actually are part of billion dollar industries that have successful companies not you not the fan base not the meddlesome clickbait rating sports people who think they have it all on lock in their head these are real people trying to make these decisions about their teams and they have to decide which direction to go there isn't One Direction but the thing that they know most you need in this league is a top quarterback a quality quarterback and again maybe 12 teams have that right now.. Out of these 32 team league and I think our fan base are the most delusional bunch that think it's that easy to find another guy to replace Prescott when there are another 16 plus teams that are looking for that guy and can't find it and we're supposed to find him again like just dump him and find him again just that easy like bill Parcells that easy to dial 1800 quarterback and just replace your guy we've actually been lucky I know you guys don't think that but I think we've been lucky to go from Romo to Prescott other teams have been fighting to find one guy in the last 20 years and we found two... I mean even it seems like luck that's what you have to have I mean go look at the 49ers that was not a plan they literally made a huge monumental mistake drafting Trey Lance and giving up that kind of assets they tripped over Brock Purdy he was never intended to be a starter or they would be in big trouble right now they cannot run their team without a quality quarterback I don't care how good they are ohh you already saw it right Purdy goes down and it was over for them..​

Patrick mahomes is the only one that's done it recently on his rookie deal and then on his veteran deal and you keep talking about percentage, that's only because you're trying to use the here and now Prescott's at the end of his second contract which all the big money pushed down the road is dead cap that is not his actual salary which is still $42 million ,he just was paid up front, that's not Prescott's fault that's you utilizing a cherry picking way to make a percentage look bad because right now hurts his early in his career on his new deal meaning the money's pushed down the road he's has less money up front, when they paid everyone it hasn't stopped them from paying anyone that's the point that means that we can resign Prescott right now to a six year deal two years voided money pushed down the road and renew his contract now it's not going to hurt the team is it , it doesn't seem to be hurting those teams IYO

and by the way,​
I disagree, I mean who says it's bad for business signing your quarterback because you don't want to be a bad team, the whole point is winning games and I get the bigger point is winning Super Bowls but teams are just not stacking Super Bowls no matter they're QB situation... so you at least have to have a competitive team because business is the bottom line you have to put ***** in the seats literally that is the number one goal of any business in this business , IT is a fan business, if you don't have a good product, you isn't putting fans in the seats you're losing money. If you don't keep fans interested there wouldn't be a league you could look at it how you want to but teams need to win games yes in the regular season they need to give the fan base hope and the fact is we've been to the playoffs 5 out of the last eight years that is the goal get in there it gives you a shot that gives you a competitive team that has a little chance to contend it's better than being one of the bottom 20 teams better looking for that same thing.. It starts with the quarterback and we all know it you may not need a Patrick mahomes but you need a Prescott to win enough games to keep fans into it because again we'd be the USFL/UFL/XFL/ anyone I'm forgetting ? if they didn't do business this way. Their goal is to keep the league competitive and the only way to do that is have some teams like the Dallas Cowboys that can keep the fans interested because we are relative because we are winning games and we are getting to the playoffs yes it's disappointing but that is how they're making their money in order to have this salary cap rise every year so now they have to pay their stars so they can put fans in the seats.. That's not bad business that's actually the way it was designed you can't have 32 teams winning Super Bowls every year it's not possible only one is left and there aren't many that are winning it sporadically they go on runs they're in dynasties and a lot of that is luck it's just good timing just happenstance there is no blueprint...​

Please don't try to take common sense out of this, you're thinking like a person who has bought into the fact that if you're not winning Super Bowls you're a terrible team, and I'm telling you it's not that way because most teams are not winning Super Bowls...

there are dynasties and then there are sporadic team here and there hit and miss that wins the Super bowl but you have the dynasties in New England and Kansas City that is why this fact still holds true nobody wants to admit it and I don't care that Jerry Jones won his three early on the last 33 years there are only three teams since 1989 with more than three Super Bowls that would be the Dallas Cowboys the Kansas City Chiefs and the New England Patriots...

They we're all dynasties, that's the common denominator, not the sporadic team that thinks they have the blueprint and now the fan base is being brainwashed, if there's only one blueprint lots of teams would be winning a SB yearly NOT the same few rare dynasties

there is no blueprint sometimes it's dumb luck pairing a great quarterback with a great coach and then somehow it just takes off that is just the circle that is why the Kansas City Chiefs took 52 years to get that fire back...
 

blueblood70

Well-Known Member
Messages
42,054
Reaction score
28,647
Yes i do mean the 95 quarterbacks who has been taken since 2016 and if our chances are really 1 outta 95 to get the one we want thats a higher chance then prescott winnning a championship while on a 60 million dollar contract which exactly 0 outta 95.
Yeah that's ridiculous that's just insane that does no common sense you know how long it would take for us as one team to go through 95 quarterbacks that's the entire league over an 8 year. So that's what you wanted do you think it gives us a better chance of being bad for five or six or seven years and hopefully by that time we find that one guy dude stop just stop the nonsense most teams are not doing that I've already said it they're going out and getting Tom Brady and paying him a lot of money they're using draft picks valuable draft picks on deshaun Watson Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers you got a team like Atlanta who's not using your ridiculous mindset and they go pay Kirk cousins again because that is what the league is they need these top ten to top 15 quarterbacks they even have a shot and they don't have time waiting around because we've seen teams do it for a decade and never find their quarterback and then they go out and do exactly what these other teams do so why should we waste draft picks and time when we already have that guy that we could just waste money on I mean literally if all you have to do is pay the guy and not use draft picks to do it like these other teams are doing then why not do that and just skip the nonsense of hope and flipping coins to go through 95 quarterbacks are you kidding me and most of those teams you found one you have to be so bad you're picking in the top three in order to even have a shot and next year's quarterback class looks like garbage..
 

Flamma

Well-Known Member
Messages
24,116
Reaction score
20,690
First of all, please don't put Carson wentz in this conversation, he didn't win a Super Bowl ,Nick Foles did, that was dumb luck by the way they have your backup quarterback finished the run and by the way all those other guys were losers....hmm :facepalm:

we're talking about winning Super Bowls, not getting there there is no second prize... I mean did they give a runner up Lombardi like is it just a little smaller is it like a different color is it like a participation?? like I just wanna know where this goal post keeps getting moved the conversation is about winning Super Bowls, it is not working like you think.. That's why the stat matters 95 drafted quarterbacks since 2016 only one has won a Super Bowl and that would be Patrick mahomes this a few of them make the Super bowl and that somehow bolsters your argument no it doesn't it actually shows why teams are desperate to get a quality quarterback there are about 12 teams that have that they can get to the playoffs and at least have a shot.. So getting rid of your already established good quarterbacks for that kind of odds I mean 95 quarterbacks since 2016 and only one of them has won a Super Bowl if the goal the number one goal is to win a Super Bowl your argument is moot you can't just get rid of your best asset at quarterback cause it's the hardest one to find again.. The markets what the market is I mean now we're talking about receivers making 35 to $40 million it has changed this is not your dad's or your granddad's NFL there's a true real salary cap that's why all you analytic guys keep running these numbers back it don't matter none of this five percent 20% blah blah blah you have no proof it's only worked for one team since 2016 the rest of them are runner ups and there are very few of those..

So, we're just going to disagree about how many times you reply back. This is a really tough decision for an actual front office you know real people that actually are part of billion dollar industries that have successful companies not you not the fan base not the meddlesome clickbait rating sports people who think they have it all on lock in their head these are real people trying to make these decisions about their teams and they have to decide which direction to go there isn't One Direction but the thing that they know most you need in this league is a top quarterback a quality quarterback and again maybe 12 teams have that right now.. Out of these 32 team league and I think our fan base are the most delusional bunch that think it's that easy to find another guy to replace Prescott when there are another 16 plus teams that are looking for that guy and can't find it and we're supposed to find him again like just dump him and find him again just that easy like bill Parcells that easy to dial 1800 quarterback and just replace your guy we've actually been lucky I know you guys don't think that but I think we've been lucky to go from Romo to Prescott other teams have been fighting to find one guy in the last 20 years and we found two... I mean even it seems like luck that's what you have to have I mean go look at the 49ers that was not a plan they literally made a huge monumental mistake drafting Trey Lance and giving up that kind of assets they tripped over Brock Purdy he was never intended to be a starter or they would be in big trouble right now they cannot run their team without a quality quarterback I don't care how good they are ohh you already saw it right Purdy goes down and it was over for them..​

Patrick mahomes is the only one that's done it recently on his rookie deal and then on his veteran deal and you keep talking about percentage, that's only because you're trying to use the here and now Prescott's at the end of his second contract which all the big money pushed down the road is dead cap that is not his actual salary which is still $42 million ,he just was paid up front, that's not Prescott's fault that's you utilizing a cherry picking way to make a percentage look bad because right now hurts his early in his career on his new deal meaning the money's pushed down the road he's has less money up front, when they paid everyone it hasn't stopped them from paying anyone that's the point that means that we can resign Prescott right now to a six year deal two years voided money pushed down the road and renew his contract now it's not going to hurt the team is it , it doesn't seem to be hurting those teams IYO

and by the way,​
I disagree, I mean who says it's bad for business signing your quarterback because you don't want to be a bad team, the whole point is winning games and I get the bigger point is winning Super Bowls but teams are just not stacking Super Bowls no matter they're QB situation... so you at least have to have a competitive team because business is the bottom line you have to put ***** in the seats literally that is the number one goal of any business in this business , IT is a fan business, if you don't have a good product, you isn't putting fans in the seats you're losing money. If you don't keep fans interested there wouldn't be a league you could look at it how you want to but teams need to win games yes in the regular season they need to give the fan base hope and the fact is we've been to the playoffs 5 out of the last eight years that is the goal get in there it gives you a shot that gives you a competitive team that has a little chance to contend it's better than being one of the bottom 20 teams better looking for that same thing.. It starts with the quarterback and we all know it you may not need a Patrick mahomes but you need a Prescott to win enough games to keep fans into it because again we'd be the USFL/UFL/XFL/ anyone I'm forgetting ? if they didn't do business this way. Their goal is to keep the league competitive and the only way to do that is have some teams like the Dallas Cowboys that can keep the fans interested because we are relative because we are winning games and we are getting to the playoffs yes it's disappointing but that is how they're making their money in order to have this salary cap rise every year so now they have to pay their stars so they can put fans in the seats.. That's not bad business that's actually the way it was designed you can't have 32 teams winning Super Bowls every year it's not possible only one is left and there aren't many that are winning it sporadically they go on runs they're in dynasties and a lot of that is luck it's just good timing just happenstance there is no blueprint...​

Please don't try to take common sense out of this, you're thinking like a person who has bought into the fact that if you're not winning Super Bowls you're a terrible team, and I'm telling you it's not that way because most teams are not winning Super Bowls...

there are dynasties and then there are sporadic team here and there hit and miss that wins the Super bowl but you have the dynasties in New England and Kansas City that is why this fact still holds true nobody wants to admit it and I don't care that Jerry Jones won his three early on the last 33 years there are only three teams since 1989 with more than three Super Bowls that would be the Dallas Cowboys the Kansas City Chiefs and the New England Patriots...

They we're all dynasties, that's the common denominator, not the sporadic team that thinks they have the blueprint and now the fan base is being brainwashed, if there's only one blueprint lots of teams would be winning a SB yearly NOT the same few rare dynasties

there is no blueprint sometimes it's dumb luck pairing a great quarterback with a great coach and then somehow it just takes off that is just the circle that is why the Kansas City Chiefs took 52 years to get that fire back...
Dude, I know Carson Wentz didn't win the SB. I know Nick Foles was a backup. I only brought it up because the Eagles didn't spend any money on the QB position. That's why they were there. Besides Patrick Mahomes, no QB 13-15% of the cap hit is going to a SB. None. They are either on rookie deals or 12% or under.
 

Nemesis4u

Well-Known Member
Messages
473
Reaction score
300
Yeah that's ridiculous that's just insane that does no common sense you know how long it would take for us as one team to go through 95 quarterbacks that's the entire league over an 8 year. So that's what you wanted do you think it gives us a better chance of being bad for five or six or seven years and hopefully by that time we find that one guy dude stop just stop the nonsense most teams are not doing that I've already said it they're going out and getting Tom Brady and paying him a lot of money they're using draft picks valuable draft picks on deshaun Watson Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers you got a team like Atlanta who's not using your ridiculous mindset and they go pay Kirk cousins again because that is what the league is they need these top ten to top 15 quarterbacks they even have a shot and they don't have time waiting around because we've seen teams do it for a decade and never find their quarterback and then they go out and do exactly what these other teams do so why should we waste draft picks and time when we already have that guy that we could just waste money on I mean literally if all you have to do is pay the guy and not use draft picks to do it like these other teams are doing then why not do that and just skip the nonsense of hope and flipping coins to go through 95 quarterbacks are you kidding me and most of those teams you found one you have to be so bad you're picking in the top three in order to even have a shot and next year's quarterback class looks like garbage..
I dont think our chances are 1-98 i was just going by what you said I think it would be alot greater then that. Hell ill take our chances with Lance and the 60 million we can spend around him to make the team better.
 

blueblood70

Well-Known Member
Messages
42,054
Reaction score
28,647
Dude, I know Carson Wentz didn't win the SB. I know Nick Foles was a backup. I only brought it up because the Eagles didn't spend any money on the QB position. That's why they were there. Besides Patrick Mahomes, no QB 13-15% of the cap hit is going to a SB. None. They are either on rookie deals or 12% or under.
It's still nonsense that you keep picking on Prescott because right now today is that's what it looks like last year Josh Allen's contract took up most of the salary cap and Jimmy Garoppolo even last year was in the top five it ebbs and flows from year to year you can't plan around it too much unless you do what we need to do if you want the salary cap percentage to drop you need to sign Prescott to an extension problem solved for you for me I realize it was different five years ago it was different three years ago and it was different last year yes Prescott's contract as it stands today because he's on his last year and the piper came due... So when you try to use the argument and it just happens this year it's Prescott it's a moot point with me because it pretty much fluctuates year to year depending on contracts when they're expiring when they're new at what point and where they at and right now Prescott at the very worst it can be it's in the final year and that's when most teams kick the can down the road so it works out that's how much it is but in 2025 it could be very different if we extend Prescott now or resign them next year as a free agent who knows how that's going to workout but trust me you're making it a point of this today because it works in your favor to use Prescott today but it wasn't a big deal last year...


By the way this list shows all the players money and the cap hit how could the Watson be above Prescott in cap hit this year for 2024 and not have a higher percentage against the salary cap when we all have the same salary cap.. And there are three other quarterbacks that are relatively close and what their cap hit is this year and again if they signed anybody else it'll push Prescott down three more spots..

I mean... I guess if you're saying against the teams cap% but that won't be true and CD lamb gets paid and I think that if that's where you're going with this the only reason some of the other teams who just paid their wide receivers like Philly just paid 2 wide receivers big time money, so it took away from the percentage on their team qb because it's spread out with other players now..

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/_/year/2024


so this is all skewed I mean I'm not buying any of it I get what your point is but I can debunk it by just bringing up other facts..

I mean lastly Prescott #11 in actual AV is actual salary his actual cash is being paid out that's ridiculous that's why he wants a new contract there are guys that are not doing anything in the playoffs are Super Bowls making far more money than Prescott this is about the salary cap and the dead cap money and again that could be remedied down the road with a new contract that's how other teams have managed to have less of a percentage this year... That's the way they structured the deals the last two years and the fact that Prescott's on his last year that's it that's the only reason it's different but in other years there's been plenty of quarterbacks on teams that were far higher percentage against the cap than Prescott..
 
Last edited:

NoLuv4Jerry

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,697
Reaction score
4,906
Read the language of the contract, and cap impacts, do not worry about the money and your eyesight will be 20/20.
So that I'm clear...the cap impact for CD will give me some insight into his character?

Does that mean players that play for the vet minimum are high character guys?
 

Typhus

Captain Catfish
Messages
21,033
Reaction score
23,861
So that I'm clear...the cap impact for CD will give me some insight into his character?

Does that mean players that play for the vet minimum are high character guys?
So that I'm clear...the cap impact for CD will give me some insight into his character?

Does that mean players that play for the vet minimum are high character guys?
I will make it simple, give me a term and good contractual language first and foremost, like I said in my post don't worry about the money.
CD is going to get paid, so give this franchise what it needs in a contract.
Dak and France took the entire pie with his deal, 4 years, no tag no trade.
 

Flamma

Well-Known Member
Messages
24,116
Reaction score
20,690
It's still nonsense that you keep picking on Prescott because right now today is that's what it looks like last year Josh Allen's contract took up most of the salary cap and Jimmy Garoppolo even last year was in the top five it ebbs and flows from year to year you can't plan around it too much unless you do what we need to do if you want the salary cap percentage to drop you need to sign Prescott to an extension problem solved for you for me I realize it was different five years ago it was different three years ago and it was different last year yes Prescott's contract as it stands today because he's on his last year and the piper came due... So when you try to use the argument and it just happens this year it's Prescott it's a moot point with me because it pretty much fluctuates year to year depending on contracts when they're expiring when they're new at what point and where they at and right now Prescott at the very worst it can be it's in the final year and that's when most teams kick the can down the road so it works out that's how much it is but in 2025 it could be very different if we extend Prescott now or resign them next year as a free agent who knows how that's going to workout but trust me you're making it a point of this today because it works in your favor to use Prescott today but it wasn't a big deal last year...


By the way this list shows all the players money and the cap hit how could the Watson be above Prescott in cap hit this year for 2024 and not have a higher percentage against the salary cap when we all have the same salary cap.. And there are three other quarterbacks that are relatively close and what their cap hit is this year and again if they signed anybody else it'll push Prescott down three more spots..

I mean... I guess if you're saying against the teams cap% but that won't be true and CD lamb gets paid and I think that if that's where you're going with this the only reason some of the other teams who just paid their wide receivers like Philly just paid 2 wide receivers big time money, so it took away from the percentage on their team qb because it's spread out with other players now..

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/_/year/2024


so this is all skewed I mean I'm not buying any of it I get what your point is but I can debunk it by just bringing up other facts..

I mean lastly Prescott #11 in actual AV is actual salary his actual cash is being paid out that's ridiculous that's why he wants a new contract there are guys that are not doing anything in the playoffs are Super Bowls making far more money than Prescott this is about the salary cap and the dead cap money and again that could be remedied down the road with a new contract that's how other teams have managed to have less of a percentage this year... That's the way they structured the deals the last two years and the fact that Prescott's on his last year that's it that's the only reason it's different but in other years there's been plenty of quarterbacks on teams that were far higher percentage against the cap than Prescott..
All teams do not have the same salary cap. Teams can carry over unused cap money from last year to add to this year's cap. Cleveland has a 290M cap. Dallas has a 260M cap. That would explain what you're seeing.

Nothing to worry about. I'm not stressing over it. We'll have to wait and see what they choose to do. Should be fun.
 

ghst187

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,722
Reaction score
11,572
Ceedee is the only one I’d consider paying but tweedel dumb and tweedel dumber decided to wait and let Jefferson set the market higher.
 

KingCorcoran

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,964
Reaction score
2,145
First of all, please don't put Carson wentz in this conversation, he didn't win a Super Bowl ,Nick Foles did, that was dumb luck by the way they have your backup quarterback finished the run and by the way all those other guys were losers....hmm :facepalm:

we're talking about winning Super Bowls, not getting there there is no second prize... I mean did they give a runner up Lombardi like is it just a little smaller is it like a different color is it like a participation?? like I just wanna know where this goal post keeps getting moved the conversation is about winning Super Bowls, it is not working like you think.. That's why the stat matters 95 drafted quarterbacks since 2016 only one has won a Super Bowl and that would be Patrick mahomes this a few of them make the Super bowl and that somehow bolsters your argument no it doesn't it actually shows why teams are desperate to get a quality quarterback there are about 12 teams that have that they can get to the playoffs and at least have a shot.. So getting rid of your already established good quarterbacks for that kind of odds I mean 95 quarterbacks since 2016 and only one of them has won a Super Bowl if the goal the number one goal is to win a Super Bowl your argument is moot you can't just get rid of your best asset at quarterback cause it's the hardest one to find again.. The markets what the market is I mean now we're talking about receivers making 35 to $40 million it has changed this is not your dad's or your granddad's NFL there's a true real salary cap that's why all you analytic guys keep running these numbers back it don't matter none of this five percent 20% blah blah blah you have no proof it's only worked for one team since 2016 the rest of them are runner ups and there are very few of those..

So, we're just going to disagree about how many times you reply back. This is a really tough decision for an actual front office you know real people that actually are part of billion dollar industries that have successful companies not you not the fan base not the meddlesome clickbait rating sports people who think they have it all on lock in their head these are real people trying to make these decisions about their teams and they have to decide which direction to go there isn't One Direction but the thing that they know most you need in this league is a top quarterback a quality quarterback and again maybe 12 teams have that right now.. Out of these 32 team league and I think our fan base are the most delusional bunch that think it's that easy to find another guy to replace Prescott when there are another 16 plus teams that are looking for that guy and can't find it and we're supposed to find him again like just dump him and find him again just that easy like bill Parcells that easy to dial 1800 quarterback and just replace your guy we've actually been lucky I know you guys don't think that but I think we've been lucky to go from Romo to Prescott other teams have been fighting to find one guy in the last 20 years and we found two... I mean even it seems like luck that's what you have to have I mean go look at the 49ers that was not a plan they literally made a huge monumental mistake drafting Trey Lance and giving up that kind of assets they tripped over Brock Purdy he was never intended to be a starter or they would be in big trouble right now they cannot run their team without a quality quarterback I don't care how good they are ohh you already saw it right Purdy goes down and it was over for them..​

Patrick mahomes is the only one that's done it recently on his rookie deal and then on his veteran deal and you keep talking about percentage, that's only because you're trying to use the here and now Prescott's at the end of his second contract which all the big money pushed down the road is dead cap that is not his actual salary which is still $42 million ,he just was paid up front, that's not Prescott's fault that's you utilizing a cherry picking way to make a percentage look bad because right now hurts his early in his career on his new deal meaning the money's pushed down the road he's has less money up front, when they paid everyone it hasn't stopped them from paying anyone that's the point that means that we can resign Prescott right now to a six year deal two years voided money pushed down the road and renew his contract now it's not going to hurt the team is it , it doesn't seem to be hurting those teams IYO

and by the way,​
I disagree, I mean who says it's bad for business signing your quarterback because you don't want to be a bad team, the whole point is winning games and I get the bigger point is winning Super Bowls but teams are just not stacking Super Bowls no matter they're QB situation... so you at least have to have a competitive team because business is the bottom line you have to put ***** in the seats literally that is the number one goal of any business in this business , IT is a fan business, if you don't have a good product, you isn't putting fans in the seats you're losing money. If you don't keep fans interested there wouldn't be a league you could look at it how you want to but teams need to win games yes in the regular season they need to give the fan base hope and the fact is we've been to the playoffs 5 out of the last eight years that is the goal get in there it gives you a shot that gives you a competitive team that has a little chance to contend it's better than being one of the bottom 20 teams better looking for that same thing.. It starts with the quarterback and we all know it you may not need a Patrick mahomes but you need a Prescott to win enough games to keep fans into it because again we'd be the USFL/UFL/XFL/ anyone I'm forgetting ? if they didn't do business this way. Their goal is to keep the league competitive and the only way to do that is have some teams like the Dallas Cowboys that can keep the fans interested because we are relative because we are winning games and we are getting to the playoffs yes it's disappointing but that is how they're making their money in order to have this salary cap rise every year so now they have to pay their stars so they can put fans in the seats.. That's not bad business that's actually the way it was designed you can't have 32 teams winning Super Bowls every year it's not possible only one is left and there aren't many that are winning it sporadically they go on runs they're in dynasties and a lot of that is luck it's just good timing just happenstance there is no blueprint...​

Please don't try to take common sense out of this, you're thinking like a person who has bought into the fact that if you're not winning Super Bowls you're a terrible team, and I'm telling you it's not that way because most teams are not winning Super Bowls...

there are dynasties and then there are sporadic team here and there hit and miss that wins the Super bowl but you have the dynasties in New England and Kansas City that is why this fact still holds true nobody wants to admit it and I don't care that Jerry Jones won his three early on the last 33 years there are only three teams since 1989 with more than three Super Bowls that would be the Dallas Cowboys the Kansas City Chiefs and the New England Patriots...

They we're all dynasties, that's the common denominator, not the sporadic team that thinks they have the blueprint and now the fan base is being brainwashed, if there's only one blueprint lots of teams would be winning a SB yearly NOT the same few rare dynasties

there is no blueprint sometimes it's dumb luck pairing a great quarterback with a great coach and then somehow it just takes off that is just the circle that is why the Kansas City Chiefs took 52 years to get that fire back...
Players on the team that loses the Super Bowl each receive $89,000. So there’s sort of a “second prize”. And like it or not Wentz was 11-2 as the Eagles starting quarterback when he was injured the year they won the Super Bowl. He was on his rookie contract and it did afford the Eagles the opportunity to surround him, obviously, with a team good enough to make a deep playoff run. Good enough to win the Super Bowl even with Foles at quarterback. Wentz likely gets a second Super Bowl ring this season. Where’s the justice?
 
Top