News: Dallas Cowboys: Why Kellen Moore won’t last long as offensive coordinator

[glimmerman]

We shall see
I’m optimistic that he will open things up, be creative and maybe fool a team once in awhile to get some big plays

I think just lining our WR up in different places and different sets will be effective. Even if he runs a lot of the same plays.

 

[DCCowboys11]

I actually have to agree with this, but not necessarily for the same reason. 1 of two scenarios will happen. Both resulting in a new OC in 2020.

1. The Cowboys have a very good season (12-4,13-3 for example) and make some serious noise in the playoffs. Obviously in this scenario, the offense had a great year and Moore would be gone somewhere else to become a HC. (We’d be stuck with J. Garrett because Jerry could justify extending him).

2. The offense sucks this year, the team fails to make the playoffs or doesn’t win in the playoffs. In this scenario, Everyone likely gets fired. Especially on the offensive side.

Either way, Kellen Moore is gone after one year.

 

[xwalker]

Do you honestly think that gimmicky dunk and dunk offense will work against NFL defenses?

Moore won't run that offense. It's got to be far more dynamic and "big boy" than Boise State.

I've studied Boise St. games with Kellen Moore as the QB.

It was not a dink and dunk offense.

The stats support my opinion:

 

[KingintheNorth]

I just want to know when it was established or proven that Kellen Moore is in fact an "offensive genus"??

He could very well end up being one, but holy crap, hold your horses.

I expect it from our optimistic ownership and from the majority of fan boys here, but I see random articles or takes as if it is a fact that he is on par with Sean McVay/Kyle Shanahan.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I've studied Boise St. games with Kellen Moore as the QB.

It was not a dink and dunk offense.

The stats support my opinion:

Apples and oranges.

Compare the caliber of defenses these quarterbacks faced over their collegiate career. Luck and Manning would have destroyed Moore's numbers against Boise State opponents.

 

[conner01]

I think just lining our WR up in different places and different sets will be effective. Even if he runs a lot of the same plays.

Just a different play caller helps change tendencies. I’m hoping for much more creativity
I’m excited to see what he can do. As a college player he was part of a fairly creative scheme

 

[glimmerman]

Just a different play caller helps change tendencies. I’m hoping for much more creativity
I’m excited to see what he can do. As a college player he was part of a fairly creative scheme

I am thinking he is not going to change to much. He don't want the players having to learn a whole new Offense, to many growing pains..

 

[xwalker]

Apples and oranges.

Compare the caliber of defenses these quarterbacks faced over their collegiate career. Luck and Manning would have destroyed Moore's numbers against Boise State opponents.

Not the point of the post...

 

[beware_d-ware]

I guess the article isn't wrong, but applying it to Kellen Moore before he's even called a single play is stupid.

We're stuck in July, so what the heck, I'll weigh in with a hot take. Moore isn't HC material. He's a seriously awkward dude, and while he was able to establish leadership on the Boise State Broncos by kicking every opponent's ***, I doubt he will be able to do the same in the pros.

In college, players respected this string bean who's entire vocabulary seemed to be "ummm" because he was throwing 40 TDs and calling an insanely productive offense from the field. As a hypothetical 33 year old head coach, he would barely be older than his players, and after the first 50 ummms in his meeting, the players would be thinking "bro, when's the last time you got laid?" He wouldn't be able to win their respect just through overwhelming success again, and I think he'd be poor at the management side of things as well. When Antonio Brown is calling his quarterback a "fat f-ing rapist" in practice and starts demanding a trade, do you want Kellen Moore to be the guy to smooth things over?

If he succeeds as an OC, he'll invariably get a HC offer somewhere, and as others have said, if he stays in a coordinator gig long enough, he'll probably get HC offers by default. But I think long term, he is more likely to remain a coordinator, position coach, or offensive assistant than the top man.

Honestly, I think the HC job he is most likely to end up with is Boise State. The program has been stuck with terrible coaching ever since Chris Peterson left; Moore is a better coach right now than any of the guys they have on staff, and the university and alumni would give anything for their favorite son to come back. If this NFL thing doesn't work out for Moore, he has a ready-made escape route.

 

[erod]

I've studied Boise St. games with Kellen Moore as the QB.

It was not a dink and dunk offense.

The stats support my opinion:

So they caught it and ran with it against Idaho.

 

[Melonfeud]

I will wait until I see how he does with this offense 1st.
We don't even know what it will be.
A version of Garrett's, a version of Linehan's which was a version of Garrett's.
Or will he get to do it all his way whatever that way is. Will he be able to grow with it as the season progresses.

Man,that's pretty much my line of wondering, upon reading the O.P. ,as you'll recall a week or so back,coach Garrett getting out in front of the rapidly growing & gaining speed kellen "snowball" to slow down the hype, by stating something along the lines that it's a joint operation of input& idea's,,, so,after I'd added that into the "mix" ,,,it was telling me that we'll probably be running the offense around 70% in the "same as it ever was mode",,,

 

[KingintheNorth]

Not the point of the post...

Your yards-per-attempt point to prove that it wasn't dink and dunk?

I get that but my point still remains. Much easier to get bigger, downfield pass plays against inferior defenses.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

1. Moore will be so busy befuddling opponent defenses that he'll also befuddle his offensive teams as well.
2. The First time Moore shouts angrily at Zeke, Dak or Cooper or Cobb or a blocker the troops will show discontent. A team-only meeting.
3. The Boy Wonder will lose some games with his trickery and innovative mind. "I ffing told ya it was a double hitch crossing route!!! Why the hell you hesitate and let him pix the ball!"
4. Opposing D coordinators will have sooo much fun throttling Moore's super intricate Boise State formations and routes, it will be demoralizing. Then embarrassing. College ball, meet NFL ball!
5. Moore, for all his intellect, will find it hard to take pointers and orders from football guy Jerry and Jason Saliere.

 

[408Cowboy]

So we just gone pretend Bruce Arians and Jon Gruden being hired continues a decade old trend of hiring young hotshot coaches? That's what we're doing now? Okay, I'm going to have another drink and reevaluate my age profiles.

 

[NorthoftheRedRiver]

I think either the Packers or the Eagles should just go ahead and hire him away from us right now and give him that head coach job that he deserves.

 

[xwalker]

Apples and oranges.

Compare the caliber of defenses these quarterbacks faced over their collegiate career. Luck and Manning would have destroyed Moore's numbers against Boise State opponents.

I'm not sure if you watch college football.

Boise St. is a D-I college football. That's the top division in college football.

Below are the AP Rankings for the years Kellen Moore was at Boise St.

This is the rankings to the top college football team in the country:

Rank ............ 2008
1 ............ Florida (13–1) (48)
2 ............ Utah (13–0) (16)
3 ............ USC (12–1) (1)
4 ............ Texas (12–1)
5 ............ Oklahoma (12–2)
6 ............ Alabama (12–2)
7 ............ TCU (11–2)
8 ............ Penn State (11–2)
9 ............ Ohio State (10–3)
10 ............ Oregon (10–3)
11 ............ Boise State (12–1)
12 ............ Texas Tech (11–2)
13 ............ Georgia (10–3)
14 ............ Ole Miss (9–4)
15 ............ Virginia Tech (10–4)
16 ............ Oklahoma State (9–4)
17 ............ Cincinnati (11–3)
18 ............ Oregon State (9–4)
19 ............ Missouri (10–4)
20 ............ Iowa (9–4)
21 ............ Florida State (9–4)
22 ............ Georgia Tech (9–4)
23 ............ West Virginia (9–4)
24 ............ Michigan State (9–4)
25 ............ BYU (10–3)

Rank ............ 2009
1 ............ Alabama (14–0) (60)
2 ............ Texas (13–1)
3 ............ Florida (13–1)
4 ............ Boise State (14–0)
5 ............ Ohio State (11–2)
6 ............ TCU (12–1)
7 ............ Iowa (11–2)
8 ............ Cincinnati (12–1)
9 ............ Penn State (11–2)
10 ............ Virginia Tech (10–3)
11 ............ Oregon (10–3)
12 ............ BYU (11–2)
13 ............ Georgia Tech (11–3)
14 ............ Nebraska (10–4)
15 ............ Pittsburgh (10–3)
16 ............ Wisconsin (10–3)
17 ............ LSU (9–4)
18 ............ Utah (10–3)
19 ............ Miami (FL) (9–4)
20 ............ Ole Miss (9–4)
21 ............ Texas Tech (9–4)
22 ............ USC (9–4)
23 ............ Central Michigan (12–2)
24 ............ Clemson (9–5)
25 ............ West Virginia (9–4)

Rank ............ 2010
1 ............ Auburn (14–0) (56)
2 ............ TCU (13–0) (3)
3 ............ Oregon (12–1)
4 ............ Stanford (12–1)
5 ............ Ohio State (12–1)
6 ............ Oklahoma (12–2)
7 ............ Wisconsin (11–2)
8 ............ LSU (11–2)
9 ............ Boise State (12–1)
10 ............ Alabama (10–3)
11 ............ Nevada (13–1)
12 ............ Arkansas (10–3)
13 ............ Oklahoma State (11–2)
14 ............ Michigan State (11–2)
15 ............ Mississippi State (9–4)
16 ............ Virginia Tech (11–3)
17 ............ Florida State (10–4)
18 ............ Missouri (10–3)
19 ............ Texas A&M (9–4)
20 ............ Nebraska (10–4)
21 ............ UCF (11–3)
22 ............ South Carolina (9–5)
23 ............ Maryland (9–4)
24 ............ Tulsa (10–3)
25 ............ NC State (9–4)

Rank ............ 2011
1 ............ Alabama (12–1) (55)
2 ............ LSU (13–1) (1)
3 ............ Oklahoma State (12–1) (4)
4 ............ Oregon (12–2)
5 ............ Arkansas (11–2)
6 ............ USC (10–2)
7 ............ Stanford (11–2)
8 ............ Boise State (12–1)
9 ............ South Carolina (11–2)
10 ............ Wisconsin (11–3)
11 ............ Michigan State (11–3)
12 ............ Michigan (11–2)
13 ............ Baylor (10–3)
14 ............ TCU (11–2)
15 ............ Kansas State (10–3)
16 ............ Oklahoma (10–3)
17 ............ West Virginia (10–3)
18 ............ Houston (13–1)
19 ............ Georgia (10–4)
20 ............ Southern Miss (12–2)
21 ............ Virginia Tech (11–3)
22 ............ Clemson (10–4)
23 ............ Florida State (9–4)
24 ............ Nebraska (9–4)
25 ............ Cincinnati (10–3)

 

[xwalker]

Apples and oranges.

Compare the caliber of defenses these quarterbacks faced over their collegiate career. Luck and Manning would have destroyed Moore's numbers against Boise State opponents.

ESPN says there are 23 current NFL players from Boise St.

There are 6 current Cowboys players from Boise St. including DeMarcus Lawrence and Leigthton Vander Esch.
Of the six, 4 are likely starters on defense this season.

 

[Pantone282C]

Dallas Cowboys: Why Kellen Moore won’t last long as offensive coordinator
https://thelandryhat.com/2019/07/03/dallas-cowboys-kellen-moore-wont-last/



Kellen Moore’s tenure as the offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys won’t last very long. In other words, his clock is already ticking. Here’s why...

...Hiring a young offensive genius without head coaching experience to come in and lead a franchise is not a new phenomenon. From 2001 to 2009, there were names like Marty Mornhinweg, Josh McDaniels, and Eric Mangini hired as NFL head coaches. They were each extremely bright and possessed the offensive imagination as coordinators that led general managers from other teams to believe their success as head coaches was inevitable...

...Fast forward to 2019 and you see teams following a similar formula hiring names like Kliff Kingsbury, Zac Taylor, Freddie Kitchens, Matt LaFleur, Adam Gase, Bruce Arians, Matt Nagy, Frank Reich, Pat Shurmur, Jon Gruden, Kyle Shanahan, and Sean McVay to become head coaches.

These are all new head coaches with offensive backgrounds who are expected to take advantage of this new pass-happy league with rules that absolutely favor offenses. We are in the midst of an offensive genius renaissance. And a successful campaign by someone like Kellen Moore will put him squarely in the mix for a head coaching job soon...

Clickbait... nothing to see here...move along.

 

[Pantone282C]

if hes that good this year JG is gone and hes promoted here..

Or moved up to the front office.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I'm not sure if you watch college football.

Boise St. is a D-I college football. That's the top division in college football.

Below are the AP Rankings for the years Kellen Moore was at Boise St.

This is the rankings to the top college football team in the country:

Rank ............ 2008
1 ............ Florida (13–1) (48)
2 ............ Utah (13–0) (16)
3 ............ USC (12–1) (1)
4 ............ Texas (12–1)
5 ............ Oklahoma (12–2)
6 ............ Alabama (12–2)
7 ............ TCU (11–2)
8 ............ Penn State (11–2)
9 ............ Ohio State (10–3)
10 ............ Oregon (10–3)
11 ............ Boise State (12–1)
12 ............ Texas Tech (11–2)
13 ............ Georgia (10–3)
14 ............ Ole Miss (9–4)
15 ............ Virginia Tech (10–4)
16 ............ Oklahoma State (9–4)
17 ............ Cincinnati (11–3)
18 ............ Oregon State (9–4)
19 ............ Missouri (10–4)
20 ............ Iowa (9–4)
21 ............ Florida State (9–4)
22 ............ Georgia Tech (9–4)
23 ............ West Virginia (9–4)
24 ............ Michigan State (9–4)
25 ............ BYU (10–3)

Rank ............ 2009
1 ............ Alabama (14–0) (60)
2 ............ Texas (13–1)
3 ............ Florida (13–1)
4 ............ Boise State (14–0)
5 ............ Ohio State (11–2)
6 ............ TCU (12–1)
7 ............ Iowa (11–2)
8 ............ Cincinnati (12–1)
9 ............ Penn State (11–2)
10 ............ Virginia Tech (10–3)
11 ............ Oregon (10–3)
12 ............ BYU (11–2)
13 ............ Georgia Tech (11–3)
14 ............ Nebraska (10–4)
15 ............ Pittsburgh (10–3)
16 ............ Wisconsin (10–3)
17 ............ LSU (9–4)
18 ............ Utah (10–3)
19 ............ Miami (FL) (9–4)
20 ............ Ole Miss (9–4)
21 ............ Texas Tech (9–4)
22 ............ USC (9–4)
23 ............ Central Michigan (12–2)
24 ............ Clemson (9–5)
25 ............ West Virginia (9–4)

Rank ............ 2010
1 ............ Auburn (14–0) (56)
2 ............ TCU (13–0) (3)
3 ............ Oregon (12–1)
4 ............ Stanford (12–1)
5 ............ Ohio State (12–1)
6 ............ Oklahoma (12–2)
7 ............ Wisconsin (11–2)
8 ............ LSU (11–2)
9 ............ Boise State (12–1)
10 ............ Alabama (10–3)
11 ............ Nevada (13–1)
12 ............ Arkansas (10–3)
13 ............ Oklahoma State (11–2)
14 ............ Michigan State (11–2)
15 ............ Mississippi State (9–4)
16 ............ Virginia Tech (11–3)
17 ............ Florida State (10–4)
18 ............ Missouri (10–3)
19 ............ Texas A&M (9–4)
20 ............ Nebraska (10–4)
21 ............ UCF (11–3)
22 ............ South Carolina (9–5)
23 ............ Maryland (9–4)
24 ............ Tulsa (10–3)
25 ............ NC State (9–4)

Rank ............ 2011
1 ............ Alabama (12–1) (55)
2 ............ LSU (13–1) (1)
3 ............ Oklahoma State (12–1) (4)
4 ............ Oregon (12–2)
5 ............ Arkansas (11–2)
6 ............ USC (10–2)
7 ............ Stanford (11–2)
8 ............ Boise State (12–1)
9 ............ South Carolina (11–2)
10 ............ Wisconsin (11–3)
11 ............ Michigan State (11–3)
12 ............ Michigan (11–2)
13 ............ Baylor (10–3)
14 ............ TCU (11–2)
15 ............ Kansas State (10–3)
16 ............ Oklahoma (10–3)
17 ............ West Virginia (10–3)
18 ............ Houston (13–1)
19 ............ Georgia (10–4)
20 ............ Southern Miss (12–2)
21 ............ Virginia Tech (11–3)
22 ............ Clemson (10–4)
23 ............ Florida State (9–4)
24 ............ Nebraska (9–4)
25 ............ Cincinnati (10–3)

2008 opponents - Idaho State, Bowling Green, Oregon, Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Hawaii, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah State, Idaho, Nevada, Fresno State, TCU
2009 opponents - Oregon, Miami(OH), Fresno State, Bowling Green, UC Davis, Tulsa, Hawaii, Louisiana Tech, San Jose State, Idaho, Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico State, TCU
2010 opponents - Virginia Tech, Wyoming, Oregon State, New Mexico State, Toledo, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Hawaii, Idaho, Fresno State, Nevada, Utah State, Utah
2011 opponents - Georgia, Toledo, Tulsa, Nevada, Fresno State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, TCU, San Diego State, Wyoming, New Mexico, Arizona State

It appears you're trying to use the argument of their national ranking while I continue the point out the lower caliber of opponents they faced.