Dallas First round draft history

[mmillman]

under Jerry, since Jimmy left. Only real top pick IMO is Ware. Bryant and Smith have a chance. Still burns me up to watch Watt become all world when Dallas was considering him over Smith.

Cue the Jerry apologists, that alllow him to justify the mediocre performance of his team.

2011
19(9)CowboysTyron SmithOTUSC2010
124(24)CowboysDez BryantWROklahoma StatePick Notefrom Philadelphia through Denver and New England2008122(22)CowboysFelix JonesRBArkansasPick NoteFrom Browns2008125(25)CowboysMike JenkinsCBSouth FloridaPick NoteFrom Seahawks2007126(26)CowboysAnthony SpencerLBPurduePick Notefrom Philadelphia2006118(18)CowboysBobby CarpenterLBOhio State2005111(11)CowboysDeMarcus WareDETroyDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 2007, 2008; All Pro Second Team: 20062005120(20)CowboysMarcus SpearsDELSUPick Notefrom Buffalo200315(5)CowboysTerence NewmanDBKansas State200218(8)CowboysRoy WilliamsDBOklahomaPick Notefrom Kansas CityDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 20031999120(20)Cowboys Ebenezer EkubanDENorth CarolinaPick Notefrom New England through Seattle199818(8)Cowboys Greg EllisDENorth Carolina1997122(22)Cowboys David LaFleurTELSUPick Notefrom Philadelphia1994123(23)Cowboys Shante CarverDEArizona StatePick Notefrom San Francisco

 

[TheRomoSexual]

under Jerry, since Jimmy left. Only real top pick IMO is Ware. Bryant and Smith have a chance. Still burns me up to watch Watt become all world when Dallas was considering him over Smith.

Cue the Jerry apologists, that alllow him to justify the mediocre performance of his team.

2011
19(9)CowboysTyron SmithOTUSC2010
124(24)CowboysDez BryantWROklahoma StatePick Notefrom Philadelphia through Denver and New England2008122(22)CowboysFelix JonesRBArkansasPick NoteFrom Browns2008125(25)CowboysMike JenkinsCBSouth FloridaPick NoteFrom Seahawks2007126(26)CowboysAnthony SpencerLBPurduePick Notefrom Philadelphia2006118(18)CowboysBobby CarpenterLBOhio State2005111(11)CowboysDeMarcus WareDETroyDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 2007, 2008; All Pro Second Team: 20062005120(20)CowboysMarcus SpearsDELSUPick Notefrom Buffalo200315(5)CowboysTerence NewmanDBKansas State200218(8)CowboysRoy WilliamsDBOklahomaPick Notefrom Kansas CityDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 20031999120(20)Cowboys Ebenezer EkubanDENorth CarolinaPick Notefrom New England through Seattle199818(8)Cowboys Greg EllisDENorth Carolina1997122(22)Cowboys David LaFleurTELSUPick Notefrom Philadelphia1994123(23)Cowboys Shante CarverDEArizona StatePick Notefrom San Francisco

Give me a break. Bryant, Dez, Jenkins, Spencer, Spears, Ellis, Newman, and Williams were all solid picks. You obviously have unreasonable and uneducated opinions about the hit-rates of first-round picks.

 

[DFWJC]

under Jerry, since Jimmy left. Only real top pick IMO is Ware. Bryant and Smith have a chance. Still burns me up to watch Watt become all world when Dallas was considering him over Smith.

Cue the Jerry apologists, that alllow him to justify the mediocre performance of his team.

2011
19(9)CowboysTyron SmithOTUSC2010
124(24)CowboysDez BryantWROklahoma StatePick Notefrom Philadelphia through Denver and New England2008122(22)CowboysFelix JonesRBArkansasPick NoteFrom Browns2008125(25)CowboysMike JenkinsCBSouth FloridaPick NoteFrom Seahawks2007126(26)CowboysAnthony SpencerLBPurduePick Notefrom Philadelphia2006118(18)CowboysBobby CarpenterLBOhio State2005111(11)CowboysDeMarcus WareDETroyDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 2007, 2008; All Pro Second Team: 20062005120(20)CowboysMarcus SpearsDELSUPick Notefrom Buffalo200315(5)CowboysTerence NewmanDBKansas State200218(8)CowboysRoy WilliamsDBOklahomaPick Notefrom Kansas CityDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 20031999120(20)Cowboys Ebenezer EkubanDENorth CarolinaPick Notefrom New England through Seattle199818(8)Cowboys Greg EllisDENorth Carolina1997122(22)Cowboys David LaFleurTELSUPick Notefrom Philadelphia1994123(23)Cowboys Shante CarverDEArizona StatePick Notefrom San Francisco

yeah, Ware, Bryant, and Smith are all fine or going to be fine.

Newman was good for a long time.
Roy Williams was very good early on.
Ellis had a very solid career too.
Spencer too.

Some really ugly total busts--especially for 1st round picks:
Carpernter
Carver
LeFluer

Disappointments would be Felix and Ekuban

 

[burmafrd]

under Jerry, since Jimmy left. Only real top pick IMO is Ware. Bryant and Smith have a chance. Still burns me up to watch Watt become all world when Dallas was considering him over Smith.

Cue the Jerry apologists, that alllow him to justify the mediocre performance of his team.

2011
19(9)CowboysTyron SmithOTUSC2010
124(24)CowboysDez BryantWROklahoma StatePick Notefrom Philadelphia through Denver and New England2008122(22)CowboysFelix JonesRBArkansasPick NoteFrom Browns2008125(25)CowboysMike JenkinsCBSouth FloridaPick NoteFrom Seahawks2007126(26)CowboysAnthony SpencerLBPurduePick Notefrom Philadelphia2006118(18)CowboysBobby CarpenterLBOhio State2005111(11)CowboysDeMarcus WareDETroyDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 2007, 2008; All Pro Second Team: 20062005120(20)CowboysMarcus SpearsDELSUPick Notefrom Buffalo200315(5)CowboysTerence NewmanDBKansas State200218(8)CowboysRoy WilliamsDBOklahomaPick Notefrom Kansas CityDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 20031999120(20)Cowboys Ebenezer EkubanDENorth CarolinaPick Notefrom New England through Seattle199818(8)Cowboys Greg EllisDENorth Carolina1997122(22)Cowboys David LaFleurTELSUPick Notefrom Philadelphia1994123(23)Cowboys Shante CarverDEArizona StatePick Notefrom San Francisco

yawn. As regards Watt, you are wrong. We chose the correct player with the conditions and knowledge available at the time. You want to use hindsight which is BS.

 

[mmillman]

yawn. As regards Watt, you are wrong. We chose the correct player with the conditions and knowledge available at the time. You want to use hindsight which is BS.

It isn't hindsight. It is well documented that Ryan wanted Watt and he was overruled.

Ok, I am wrong, you guys are right. Dallas has drafted well. So well that Dallas has won one playoff game in 17 years.

The expectations for the Dallas Cowboys used to be a high standard. The apologists that keep putting up with this mediocre product are who allow Jerry to keep doing the same disastrous things he does.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It isn't hindsight. It is well documented that Ryan wanted Watt and he was overruled.

Ok, I am wrong, you guys are right. Dallas has drafted well. So well that Dallas has won one playoff game in 17 years.

The expectations for the Dallas Cowboys used to be a high standard. The apologists that keep putting up with this mediocre product are who allow Jerry to keep doing the same disastrous things he does.

It's hilarious when a poster doesn't have an actual point, so he has to cling to tired cliches'.

 

[mmillman]

Give me a break. Bryant, Dez, Jenkins, Spencer, Spears, Ellis, Newman, and Williams were all solid picks. You obviously have unreasonable and uneducated opinions about the hit-rates of first-round picks.

"solid picks" mixed with the other crap is what gets you 8-8 and one playoff win in 17 years. Is that the standard now for the Dallas Cowboys?

Jenkins was not a solid pick. His play led Dallas to having to pay for Carr and draft Claiborne. The fact that he alternated into a pro bowl was a joke. He was decent in coverage but a complete liability in run support and tackling.

Spears was not what you want out of a first round pick. Newman and Williams were not what you want out of top 5 or 10 picks. Ellis over Moss, yeah that was great.

Spencer has had "solid" seasons but now we are paying him like an all pro.

Don't forget the other genius moves that you are neglecting to add. Two first round picks for Galloway and one for Roy Williams.

LeFleur, Ekuban, Carpenter, Carver. You can do that every so often but combine it with the above and you get.................8-8. Actually Dallas' drafts don't indicate and 8-8 team, it should be worse. Dallas has managed to be mediocre for two reasons. Jerruh spends money and "finds" in undrafted free agents like Romo and Austin.

 

[Woods]

under Jerry, since Jimmy left. Only real top pick IMO is Ware. Bryant and Smith have a chance. Still burns me up to watch Watt become all world when Dallas was considering him over Smith.

Cue the Jerry apologists, that alllow him to justify the mediocre performance of his team.

2011
19(9)CowboysTyron SmithOTUSC2010
124(24)CowboysDez BryantWROklahoma StatePick Notefrom Philadelphia through Denver and New England2008122(22)CowboysFelix JonesRBArkansasPick NoteFrom Browns2008125(25)CowboysMike JenkinsCBSouth FloridaPick NoteFrom Seahawks2007126(26)CowboysAnthony SpencerLBPurduePick Notefrom Philadelphia2006118(18)CowboysBobby CarpenterLBOhio State2005111(11)CowboysDeMarcus WareDETroyDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 2007, 2008; All Pro Second Team: 20062005120(20)CowboysMarcus SpearsDELSUPick Notefrom Buffalo200315(5)CowboysTerence NewmanDBKansas State200218(8)CowboysRoy WilliamsDBOklahomaPick Notefrom Kansas CityDistinctionsAll Pro First Team: 20031999120(20)Cowboys Ebenezer EkubanDENorth CarolinaPick Notefrom New England through Seattle199818(8)Cowboys Greg EllisDENorth Carolina1997122(22)Cowboys David LaFleurTELSUPick Notefrom Philadelphia1994123(23)Cowboys Shante CarverDEArizona StatePick Notefrom San Francisco

IMO, you are incorrect.

We had had multiple solid picks in Round 1.

Now, we have also had some really bad, bad drafts.

But to say Ware is in your opinion the only real top pick is wrong.

 

[Idgit]

Jerry's had more than his fair share of HoF players in the draft during his time. He also has presided over whiffs of almost whole drafts in 2006, 2007 (Spencer and, sort of, Free aside), 2009.

Wade Phillips, if nothing else, was HC during a time of some pretty poor decision making regarding the upkeep of the Dallas roster. In my opinion, we did a good job under Parcels of roster building, and we're doing a good job again under Garrett. Jerry really does listen to the input from his people and then go out and get them what they say they want. We're covering up for a tremendous dearth of drafted talent on our roster during a period when the team was otherwise playing good football.

 

[Picksix]

It isn't hindsight. It is well documented that Ryan wanted Watt and he was overruled.

Ok, I am wrong, you guys are right. Dallas has drafted well. So well that Dallas has won one playoff game in 17 years.

The expectations for the Dallas Cowboys used to be a high standard. The apologists that keep putting up with this mediocre product are who allow Jerry to keep doing the same disastrous things he does.

Well documented? By who, Calvin Watkins and David Moore? Of course Ryan wanted Watt. He's a defensive coordinator. He also really wanted Kyle Wilber last year, too. Watt was a heck of a player at Wisconsin, and honestly, I was hoping we would draft him. But Tyron was also a heck of a player, and projected to have a long, very successful career as well. And he's only 22.

But go ahead. Continue with you blatant Jerry hate, coming up with yet another reason to bash him and mock all the "Jerry apologists." Most people that I've read on here on Jerry apologists, as you say, as much as they understand that whether we like it or not, he's the man in charge. Also, when it comes to the draft, he defers much to his coaches and scouts, and typically only steps in to break a tie.

Why did we trade our 1st and 2nd picks last year to get Claiborne. Because Ryan wanted him. Why did we take Smith the year before? Because Garrett wanted him.

 

[mmillman]

Well documented? By who, Calvin Watkins and David Moore? Of course Ryan wanted Watt. He's a defensive coordinator. He also really wanted Kyle Wilber last year, too. Watt was a heck of a player at Wisconsin, and honestly, I was hoping we would draft him. But Tyron was also a heck of a player, and projected to have a long, very successful career as well. And he's only 22.

But go ahead. Continue with you blatant Jerry hate, coming up with yet another reason to bash him and mock all the "Jerry apologists." Most people that I've read on here on Jerry apologists, as you say, as much as they understand that whether we like it or not, he's the man in charge. Also, when it comes to the draft, he defers much to his coaches and scouts, and typically only steps in to break a tie.

Why did we trade our 1st and 2nd picks last year to get Claiborne. Because Ryan wanted him. Why did we take Smith the year before? Because Garrett wanted him.

You just made my point. Jerry is the owner and GM correct? Who makes the final decision? In every other organization the GM takes the input of the scouts and coaches and makes the call. In this organization the owner/oil man/gm/ salesman makes the call.

The bottom line has been bad. We have a long enough sampling to determine that Jerry's way stinks. Keep defending him and buying his huckster crap and you will keep getting more of the same.

 

[Verdict]

I'm not sold on Red Ball as a head coach but the past couple of drafts on his watch have been pretty productive. It is enough that I am hoping it is a trend rather than an an exception. If they can do it again this year you will see the Cowboys starting to improve even if we get no better in any other areas.

 

[MonsterD]

It isn't hindsight. It is well documented that Ryan wanted Watt and he was overruled.

Ok, I am wrong, you guys are right. Dallas has drafted well. So well that Dallas has won one playoff game in 17 years.

The expectations for the Dallas Cowboys used to be a high standard. The apologists that keep putting up with this mediocre product are who allow Jerry to keep doing the same disastrous things he does.

It's ok if you can't understand the draft process, we forgive you.

 

[EightyEight]

OP thinks the first round is the only factor that builds a team. This is why I can't take the OP serious, he has absolutely no idea why we have only won 1 playoff game in 17 years.

 

[Eddie]

OP thinks the first round is the only factor that builds a team. This is why I can't take the OP serious, he has absolutely no idea why we have only won 1 playoff game in 17 years.

As bad as our first round history has been, our post 1st round history is even worse. Our FA acquisitions haven't been celestial either. We over pay for both our own and other's FA's.

The perennial playoff teams constantly churn their roster, and move out older players for younger ones. Us? We hold onto aging vets like they were gold bricks ... and over pay them in massive amounts.

There's only ONE reason why we've won 1 playoff game in 17 years ... Jerry Jones.

That single playoff win will stand until Jerry steps down.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Believe it or not....when it comes to 1st round picks the Cowboys haven't done nearly as bad as most other teams in this league. And they've never had the luxury to have a top 3 pick. 1st round picks haven't been the problem. If you want to look for a reason to bash Jerry there has to be better routes to take then this.

 

[arglebargle]

Jimmy Johnson's 1st round picks at Miami: Daryl Gardener, Yatil Green, John Avery, No Pick (trading down twice, out of the 1st round).

The Draft is a crapshoot, and even the best whiff. Ignoring that the Cowboys have been doing better just shows what your real intentions are.

 

[Picksix]

You just made my point. Jerry is the owner and GM correct? Who makes the final decision? In every other organization the GM takes the input of the scouts and coaches and makes the call. In this organization the owner/oil man/gm/ salesman makes the call.

The bottom line has been bad. We have a long enough sampling to determine that Jerry's way stinks. Keep defending him and buying his huckster crap and you will keep getting more of the same.

Not saying we haven't, and not trying to defend Jerry. But you take one example of a situation where we had it down to two players, took one, and the other has been fantastic to this point. It happens. Repeatedly. To every team, not just the Cowboys. In 2005 we were in the same position. Jerry and co. made the decision not to go with Shawn Merriman, who blew it up his first two years, and a lot of people criticized the decision to choose Ware instead. Fortunately, that one worked out.

Yes, Jerry is a problem. No question. I feel your pain. But he hasn't been a complete faliure, and to try to say otherwise is just wrong, and saying that doesn't make me a "Jerry apologist". I lived in Cincinnati for six years. Talk about failure. And to constantly point out his mistakes is futile, beyond just venting, because unfortunately, it ain't gonna change.

 

[weaver21]

As bad as our first round history has been, our post 1st round history is even worse. Our FA acquisitions haven't been celestial either. We over pay for both our own and other's FA's.

The perennial playoff teams constantly churn their roster, and move out older players for younger ones. Us? We hold onto aging vets like they were gold bricks ... and over pay them in massive amounts.

There's only ONE reason why we've won 1 playoff game in 17 years ... Jerry Jones.

That single playoff win will stand until Jerry steps down.

You honestly think Jerry Jones is the ONLY reason we have one playoff win in 17 years? So the players and coaches have nothing to do with our failures?

 

[jzcowboy]

Some really ugly total busts--especially for 1st round picks:
Carpernter Was a Parcells Pick
Carver
LeFluer Was an Aikman Pick

Disappointments would be Felix and Ekuban

See above