Dallas or Philadelphia

[Cowboys1966]

The Cowboys have a traditional offense. Hurts has shown that he is not good in that situation. Hurts is a product of his situation and players around him. Much like Lamar Jackson was in 2019. It's tough to repeat.

Just curious, how has he shown that? He’s leading the league, or at least was until last weekend, passing from the pocket.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but, I don’t think that he has ‘shown’ it

 

[Cowboys1966]

Switch QBs between Chicago and Philly and Fields becomes a good NFL QB...

The scheme has made Hurts but that scheme only works with that type of QB.

I don't think the question makes sense without the offensive coaches coming with Hurts.

We will see how that scheme works with Gardner Minshew this weekend

 

[xwalker]

How do you think Hurts would do in Dallas?
How about Dak in Philadelphia?

Hurts can't function in the Cowboys scheme.

I don't know enough about the Eagles offensive coaches to know how well they could adapt their scheme to function with Dak.

I think your goal was to compare the talent surrounding each QB but your question does not do that because of the coaching/scheme issue.

I would change the question to what if the teams swapped all offensive players except the QB.
- The Eagles obviously have a better 2nd WR and when healthy better starting TE.
- The OLines are similar but Eagles have a slight edge there. They have a much better Center.

 

[Starforever]

What Philly did was go from a traditional offensive scheme (that didn't work) to a run heavy RPO. They could do that because Hurts is a good running QB. They have a great OL and running game as a result. Their pass catchers are now excellent, so when defenses sell out to stop the run, the pass is wide open.

Philly could not do this with Dak. Jalen Hurts and the Cowboys would absolutely suck. No way we'd be 10-4. No way Philly has their record with Dak.

You are only saying that due to what has happened. Why don't you look at it from Dallas or Philly playing to the QB strengths.

That is the reason why I asked the question. You don't think that a Hurts led Cowboys team wouldn't be potent?

How about Dak, leading that offense behind that line with a more consistent defense. Each QB would bring their own flavor.

 

[Starforever]

How confident are you that the Cowboys could beat the Commanders in DC?

The real NFC East rivalry is Dallas and Washington. Washington fans hate the Cowbosys with far more passion that the Eagles.

Why couldn't you just answer the asked questions? I will answer your question. The Commanders have not been much competition therefore; I couldn't care less. The Commanders were a rivalry.

 

[Starforever]

It’s kind of tough given both teams have different offensive systems.

That is the intriguing element. Could Dallas use Pollard like Sanders, and would Hurts be like Dak in the pocket?

Would Dak utilize more deep routes in Philly?
Would he use Sanders more, out of the backfield?

 

[Starforever]

Hurts can't function in the Cowboys scheme.

I don't know enough about the Eagles offensive coaches to know how well they could adapt their scheme to function with Dak.

I think your goal was to compare the talent surrounding each QB but your question does not do that because of the coaching/scheme issue.

I would change the question to what if the teams swapped all offensive players except the QB.
- The Eagles obviously have a better 2nd WR and when healthy better starting TE.
- The OLines are similar but Eagles have a slight edge there. They have a much better Center.

If Hurts were in Dallas, they would not be running this scheme.

With Dak in Philly, they would not be using that scheme.

Remember schemes are based on the skills of the QB.

 

[GMO415]

Dak wearing that ugly *ss iggles uniform? Think I'm gonna be sick!

 

[Flamma]

Just curious, how has he shown that? He’s leading the league, or at least was until last weekend, passing from the pocket.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but, I don’t think that he has ‘shown’ it

The Eagles offense was totally different last year. They used Hurts as a traditional QB, similar to how Chicago used Fields. Both sucked spectacularly. The only reason both have looked better as of late is because they went to a heavy run RPO. Using the QBs ability to run. The only reason Hurts looks better now is because of the run threat, and defenses selling out to stop the run. This is why Lamar Jackson got MVP in 2019. But could never repeat that because the situation around him was not ideal.

It's much easier to throw the ball when teams are selling out for the run. Or when you never have a 3rd and long.

 

[Flamma]

You are only saying that due to what has happened. Why don't you look at it from Dallas or Philly playing to the QB strengths.

That is the reason why I asked the question. You don't think that a Hurts led Cowboys team wouldn't be potent?

How about Dak, leading that offense behind that line with a more consistent defense. Each QB would bring their own flavor.

I'm just looking at it from the current schemes. Yeah, if Dallas went to a heavy RPO, maybe they would be better. I'm just switching out the QBs using the same scheme.

 

[plasticman]

Why couldn't you just answer the asked questions? I will answer your question. The Commanders have not been much competition therefore; I couldn't care less. The Commanders were a rivalry.

I didn't answer the questions because I first wanted to clarify the premise that the Eagles are the only real competition in the division. That is, despite the fact that every team has a winning record.

The Commanders absolutely could beat the Cowboys. All they would need would be a little help from the Cowboys

 

[blueblood70]

IMO its wash IF both OCs and teams can make some adjustments and found ways to move the offense with said qbs skillset.. dot like these hypotheticals. BUT IMO its not huge gap but hurts has better Offense around him this season. Dak had many of his players change on offense and still moving it pretty well, Hurts had a dump truck of talent dumped on him.

I mean OL, TE1, and WR depth ie wr2-3, philly is slightly better , correct? OC better??maybe.
defense? right now with our injuries, advantage philly, correct?

coaches??

its slight edge but id say philly is helping hurts more than the Cowboys are helping Prescott at the current a state of affairs. i mean if our defense from the first 6 games came back its a different story.

we will find out a lot with philly down Hurts using their backup like we used ours last matchup..

 

[Starforever]

I didn't answer the questions because I first wanted to clarify the premise that the Eagles are the only real competition in the division. That is, despite the fact that every team has a winning record.

The Commanders absolutely could beat the Cowboys. All they would need would be a little help from the Cowboys

That much is true, but Dallas and Philly have been going back and forth currently. The Giants and the Commanders are difficult foes, but they are not an imminent threat, in my estimation.

 

[Cowboys1966]

The Eagles offense was totally different last year. They used Hurts as a traditional QB, similar to how Chicago used Fields. Both sucked spectacularly. The only reason both have looked better as of late is because they went to a heavy run RPO. Using the QBs ability to run. The only reason Hurts looks better now is because of the run threat, and defenses selling out to stop the run. This is why Lamar Jackson got MVP in 2019. But could never repeat that because the situation around him was not ideal.

It's much easier to throw the ball when teams are selling out for the run. Or when you never have a 3rd and long.

The eagles ran the same offence last year. They passed a lot more early on, but it was essentially the same offense. I’ve seen countless articles about this being the first time since high school that Hurts was in the same O two years in a row.
ImHo, you are really underestimating his passing ability.

 

[Starforever]

IMO its wash IF both OCs and teams can make some adjustments and found ways to move the offense with said qbs skillset.. dot like these hypotheticals. BUT IMO its not huge gap but hurts has better Offense around him this season. Dak had many of his players change on offense and still moving it pretty well, Hurts had a dump truck of talent dumped on him.

I mean OL, TE1, and WR depth ie wr2-3, philly is slightly better , correct? OC better??maybe.
defense? right now with our injuries, advantage philly, correct?

coaches??

its slight edge but id say philly is helping hurts more than the Cowboys are helping Prescott at the current a state of affairs. i mean if our defense from the first 6 games came back its a different story.

we will find out a lot with philly down Hurts using their backup like we used ours last matchup..

I appreciate the comments, and you are correct, this hypothetical scenario just had me thinking. I based it off of the many posts on what each QB brings to the table.

Is it just scheme or are the players the driving force? This question is rhetorical.

 

[DanTanna]

Man, Hurts is doing WAY better than I thought he would!

However, he, Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson IMO are/were in nearly the perfect place for them to squeeze every ounce of talent and production from them. Move each one of those guys to a new team and you'll get Russell Wilson w/ Denver production, IMO. They both are in the perfect situation.

 

[blueblood70]

Is it just scheme or are the players the driving force? This question is rhetorical.

both Philly was blessed with Health and timing on who they faced and when etc a little luck sprinkled in and here we are..

this si the first adversity they've faced al year if hurts is out 1-2 weeks but still luck he will play the playoffs. we had to overcome a TON and thats an understatement with Dak, Tyron , gallup, steele, rookie LT, New LG and other issues on offense alone and now the defense key players dropping like flies, lost 2 OT games where some no calls left on the field etc and still 10-4..

it is what it is..

 

[JustChip]

How confident are you that the Cowboys could beat the Commanders in DC?

The real NFC East rivalry is Dallas and Washington. Washington fans hate the Cowbosys with far more passion that the Eagles.

I’d say it’s 50/50 at best for Dallas to prevail in week 18.

At one time, the week the Cowboys played in Warshington was known as Dallas week. Don’t know if it’s still that way. I think the rivalry has waned greatly since the George Allen and Joe Gibbs days.

 

[Flamma]

The eagles ran the same offence last year. They passed a lot more early on, but it was essentially the same offense. I’ve seen countless articles about this being the first time since high school that Hurts was in the same O two years in a row.
ImHo, you are really underestimating his passing ability.

He's in the same offense, but not in the same scheme. You watched the Cowboys games against the, right? First game was all passes. Drop back Tom Brady type passes. Same with the playoffs against Tampa. Just drop back QB. They're not doing that now.

It's the same thing Chicago transitioned to mid season. They went from a low or no scoring team, to a higher scoring team using the same RPO Philly uses. They just don't have the same talent.

 

[xwalker]

Not anymore…last year maybe, but Hurts has made huge progress. He’s also a better decision maker than Dak is at this point.

Easier decisions...