Twitter: Dallas Pass Protection

[Runwildboys]

BULLSnot!

Dak gets rid of it on time almost every play UNLESS at the snap an OL whiffed and sends him running OR how about when Wrs not getting opened quick enough or not open at all , and dak has to come to his 4th read..

get over it, i watch the games hes NOT holding onto it too long.. that was a5 yr old narrative that IMHO doesn't apply.. Show me the QB stats on how daks release time differs from other then we can talk..some nonsense from Dak hater doesn't hold water when the total function of play is all 3 phases of the snap to qb, the OL blocking well at the snap, and the WR getting open..
trying to cover up an OL stat blaming the qb without the rest of the information ie was thew routes al long, was the wrs open when they should have been.. its all timing and many factors each play will show its on one part of the play, a different player is to blame or the play call having too deep of routes called etc,,

Just stop the hate. we see right through it,

Shhhh, it's okay.

 

[Runwildboys]

Except with all the penalties he brings. I'm over Tyron.

I think Tyron's penalties were due to his health issues. When healthy - actually healthy - he's still among the best ever.

 

[FaSho]

Sacks and pressures allowed are partially QB issues. Dak is notoriously slow with his reads a lot of the time.

Believe me, everyone here knows this lol. I was just wondering if they dock OL for a QB standing like a statue until he gets hit.

 

[Creeper]

The OL is much better run blocking. But they do have some pass protection issue. I even saw the great Zack Martin get pushed into Dak on one play by Dayo Odeyingbo. And I mean he was literally shoved back into the pocket like a blocking sled. Odeyingbo is 276 lbs DE in his second year. I have never seen that happen ever in his career. Odeyingbo didn't get the sack but he forced Dak to try to squeeze his way out of the pocket and Dak was sacked on the play.

The pass blocking is not one guy. They all have their moments of weakness.

 

[Doomsday101]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-team-sacks-allowedSo Cowboys are bad in pass protecting? yet has the fewest sacks in the league?.

 

[McKDaddy]

Steele is susceptible to a speed rush.
McGovern struggles with bullrushes.
Biadasz has no lateral quickness.

1&3 are correct. McGovern does fine with bullrushes. Some defenders have been able to get on his shoulder. Not sure if that is movement related or recognition though.

 

[McKDaddy]

The OL is much better run blocking. But they do have some pass protection issue. I even saw the great Zack Martin get pushed into Dak on one play by Dayo Odeyingbo. And I mean he was literally shoved back into the pocket like a blocking sled. Odeyingbo is 276 lbs DE in his second year. I have never seen that happen ever in his career. Odeyingbo didn't get the sack but he forced Dak to try to squeeze his way out of the pocket and Dak was sacked on the play.

The pass blocking is not one guy. They all have their moments of weakness.

Thank you for posting this. Anytime I mention Zack losing a rep, people act like I've committed blasphemy. You are right. He got under him & just pushed him back. Overall though, Zack is playing better this year than his last couple. Seems rejuvenated. Maybe Steele is motivating him. Zack said he was the best run blocker he has played next to.

Bottom line, they can all get beat but overall I have little to complain about other than when they commit penalties. I'm not sure how they arrive at these stats but I'm thinking 27 or so teams would trade their Oline for ours. That's much better than expectations going into game 1.

 

[cnuball21]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-team-sacks-allowedSo Cowboys are bad in pass protecting? yet has the fewest sacks in the league?.

Yes. There’s a lot more that goes into it than just sacks.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes. There’s a lot more that goes into it than just sacks.

I agree but if Dallas is taking 15 sacks on the season and more pressures then the same goes for everyone else. You take Min who has allowed 30 sacks yet they will get a lot more pressure than sacks. Not saying sack are the be all sign but it is a big part and if Dallas is sitting at 15 then claiming them as weak in pass protection is laughable

 

[cnuball21]

I agree but if Dallas is taking 15 sacks on the season and more pressures then the same goes for everyone else. You take Min who has allowed 30 sacks yet they will get a lot more pressure than sacks. Not saying sack are the be all sign but it is a big part and if Dallas is sitting at 15 then claiming them as weak in pass protection is laughable

You can read up on win rate and how PFF grades.l and that could help.

 

[Doomsday101]

You can read up on win rate and how PFF grades.l and that could help.

I'm not saying we do not give up pressure but they clearly are not resulting in sack, and others who are giving up sacks are also giving up pressures. I don't think our pass protection has been that bad, could it improve, sure but I don't see it as a weakness for this team.

 

[cnuball21]

I'm not saying we do not give up pressure but they clearly are not resulting in sack, and others who are giving up sacks are also giving up pressures. I don't think our pass protection has been that bad, could it improve, sure but I don't see it as a weakness for this team.

But you keep bringing up sacks. Again, sacks aren’t the end all be all bc they are somewhat QB dependent and there are a bunch of other factors.

 

[OmerV]

QB holding the ball too long hurts that stat. But our pass protection isn’t great.

That has, at times over his career, been a problem with Dak. I haven't seen that problem at all this season.

Regardless, I don't think the O-Line gets dinged on a rating if they give more than ample time and the QB doesn't take advantage. I think there is a standard for maintaining protection that applies to all teams. That's the only way to have a fair ranking.

 

[Doomsday101]

But you keep bringing up sacks. Again, sacks aren’t the end all be all bc they are somewhat QB dependent and there are a bunch of other factors.

Yes I mention them because if you are getting x number of sacks you are getting more in terms of pressure. Not hard to figure out if you are taking 30 sacks then odds of even more pressure is great. I don't doubt Cowboys take more pressure than sacks like anyone else. The big issue with sacks and why I bring it up is those are negative plays resulting in loss of yards and downs. PFF has their stats good for them but in the end I don't see Cowboys pass protection as bad far better than most.

This is PFF grading system,
The PFF grading system isolates the role of each pass blocker with an emphasis on avoiding negative plays. In a “fault-based” system, the best pass protectors are expected to avoid losses, and each play is assigned a different level of difficulty or expectation based on factors such as down and distance and dropback depth of the quarterback (passing concept). A blocker who does his job will receive a fraction of a positive grade depending on the situation, using those previously listed parameters.

NEGATIVELY GRADED PLAYS
To earn a negative grade, a pass blocker must lose his block within the natural framework of the passing play. The quicker the loss, the worse the grade.

We at PFF differentiate between quick, defining losses that affect the quarterback in roughly two seconds or less:

Personally I think much of this is garbage.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I'm not saying we do not give up pressure but they clearly are not resulting in sack, and others who are giving up sacks are also giving up pressures. I don't think our pass protection has been that bad, could it improve, sure but I don't see it as a weakness for this team.

Dak has been one of the quickest at getting the ball out. A lot of times this is by necessity if pass protection is lacking.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dak has been one of the quickest at getting the ball out. A lot of times this is by necessity if pass protection is lacking.

Rush was not taking sacks either. I looked at how PFF does their grading, personally I think it non sense.

 

[Praxit]

...ahhh BS, Stat. Can you say CHerry Pickens? Our OL has done well this year.

 

[cnuball21]

Yes I mention them because if you are getting x number of sacks you are getting more in terms of pressure. Not hard to figure out if you are taking 30 sacks then odds of even more pressure is great. I don't doubt Cowboys take more pressure than sacks like anyone else. The big issue with sacks and why I bring it up is those are negative plays resulting in loss of yards and downs. PFF has their stats good for them but in the end I don't see Cowboys pass protection as bad far better than most.

This is PFF grading system,
The PFF grading system isolates the role of each pass blocker with an emphasis on avoiding negative plays. In a “fault-based” system, the best pass protectors are expected to avoid losses, and each play is assigned a different level of difficulty or expectation based on factors such as down and distance and dropback depth of the quarterback (passing concept). A blocker who does his job will receive a fraction of a positive grade depending on the situation, using those previously listed parameters.

NEGATIVELY GRADED PLAYS
To earn a negative grade, a pass blocker must lose his block within the natural framework of the passing play. The quicker the loss, the worse the grade.

We at PFF differentiate between quick, defining losses that affect the quarterback in roughly two seconds or less:

Personally I think much of this is garbage.

Sure, but you’re not factoring in how the QB effects what the pressure / sack rate looks like.

And that’s fine if you think PFF is garbage, their win rate which is a 2nd provided metric also indicates they’re below average.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure, but you’re not factoring in how the QB effects what the pressure / sack rate looks like.

And that’s fine if you think PFF is garbage, their win rate which is a 2nd provided metric also indicates they’re below average.

I'm sorry I don't buy into PFF. You are not factoring in this as one of the top Offense in the NFL and you don't do that with below play by the OL.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Sure, but you’re not factoring in how the QB effects what the pressure / sack rate looks like.

And that’s fine if you think PFF is garbage, their win rate which is a 2nd provided metric also indicates they’re below average.

Win rate is from ESPN