Danger Ahead...

[bayeslife]

Yep.

Good thing Jerry asked for this game, eh?

And before the Jerry lovers jump on me, because I know they will... No, I don't directly blame Jerry for Phillips being out for the year. But this is a violent game, and we now have a mature, veteran team. We pretty much know what we have and we don't need to play an extra game to see what we have. Why volunteer and even lobby to play one more game in these days of limited rosters?

Ok.

So let's say that this game wasn't played.

We go play our first preseason game in a few days, and the aftermath is still the same. John Phillips out for the year.

What's the difference?

 

[DFWJC]

The starters played one drive vs the Bengals and will only play maybe two drives on Thursday (assume 10-15 plays hopefully).

 

[T-RO]

Phillips got hurt during the first half of the first game of the year... the only way you avoid that is to not play at all.

Anyone can get injured but your talking about injuries from being overworked and that is not an issue here. The team monitors the situation looks like they will have a light practice then walk through before the next game to rest up.

I'm not going to pretend causality on individual injuries. Football is football. However, as Jerry himself pointed out the injury to Dez occurred towards the end of a long practice session.

Precisely because football is football I'd like to see less of it played when games are irrelevant.

Four days is not enough time to heal up from playing 40 or 50 plays.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Your stats prove my point.

Not really.

 

[T-RO]

Let's review the facts:

1. As Adam's stats concede, preseason games are trending longer and are longer than regular seasons. (His numbers don't lie: Plays per game in 2009 preseason: 126.0 versus 2009 regular season: 124.9. I again want to thank him for his fine research. )

2. Roger Goodell has conceded that the NFL needs to reduce the number of preseason games. In his June 17 interview he noted that the fans don't like it and the players don't like it. Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-goodell

3. In 2009 nearly our entire draft class was decimated by injury before the season even started. No these players weren't starters, but they were young, developing players who needed time to grow and develop...the exactly type of player that gets heavy PT during preseason games.

4. Here in 2010 both our top two draft picks couldn't play even before the first preseason game.

5. Jerry Jones wants a solution and has vocalized pretty much the same sentiment that I'm sharing. (Though his business ambition of promoting the Cowboys has proved counterproductive, as ChocLab has rightly noted. We didn't need this extra game and are 1 player down for having done so.)


Albert Einstein's famous bromide bears repeating "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

My recommended changes in my next post...

 

[The Emperor]

Agreed... this is not an issue. Injuries will happen, but it's not like these guys had to play a full game, most of our starters played less then 13 snaps. And our backup players can use the work.

Yeah, and that's the sad reality. The guys that are going to suffer the brunt of the injuries are going to be our second team and third team players. They're the ones that are going to be injured, not our starters.

 

[T-RO]

Yeah, and that's the sad reality. The guys that are going to suffer the brunt of the injuries are going to be our second team and third team players. They're the ones that are going to be injured, not our starters.

Finally seeing my point.

 

[T-RO]

Needed Improvements:

1. The league needs to reduce the number of preseason games

2. The league needs to reduce the length of preseason games (by keeping the clock running except for timeouts.)

3. The league needs to impose more limitations to contact scrimmages across the league

We are going to lose players during meaningful games, but let's at least make sure we don't lose them during meaningless exhibitions or in offseason work.

Imagine an army that was losing soldiers before they even got to the battle field. You don't think they'd figure out a fix?

 

[AdamJT13]

Your stats prove my point so I want to thank you for offering them.

It's all about trends in the NFL, and the trend line is up. The facts are in: Preseason games were longer last season, and they've started out this season being acutely longer.

2009: Longer
2010: Longer

Again, thanks!

Can you read? Preseason games were SHORTER than regular season games last season. You can't take a small sample of four games last season and one game this season and make a declaration that ignores hundreds of other games in the past three years.


Here are the NFL averages for the past four years --

2009 preseason 123.9
2009 reg.season 125.9

2008 preseason 123.8
2008 reg.season 123.8

2007 preseason 123.8
2007 reg.season 125.6

2006 preseason 122.4
2006 reg.season 125.0


The fact is, on average, preseason and regular season games feature about the same number of plays, with REGULAR SEASON games typically having more plays.

 

[AdamJT13]

As Adam's stats concede, preseason games are trending longer and are longer than regular sesons. (His numbers don't lie: Plays per game in 2009 preseason: 126.0 versus 2009 regular season: 124.9. I again want to thank him for his fine research. )

Don't take my post and twist it to pretend that I agree with anything you said.

 

[Apluz]

Yeah, and that's the sad reality. The guys that are going to suffer the brunt of the injuries are going to be our second team and third team players. They're the ones that are going to be injured, not our starters.

To me that is just good old plain common sense based on the law of averages. But what do I know?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Don't take my post and twist it to pretend that I agree with anything you said.

Anyone with a 3rd grade reading comprehension can see what he's doing.

 

[AtlCB]

Let's review the facts:

1. As Adam's stats concede, preseason games are trending longer and are longer than regular seasons. (His numbers don't lie: Plays per game in 2009 preseason: 126.0 versus 2009 regular season: 124.9. I again want to thank him for his fine research.)

2. Roger Goodell has conceded that the NFL needs to reduce the number of preseason games. In his June 17 interview he noted that the fans don't like it and the players don't like it. Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-goodell

3. In 2009 nearly our entire draft class was decimated by injury before the season even started. No these players weren't starters, but they were young, developing players who needed time to grow and develop...the exactly type of player that gets heavy PT during preseason games.

4. Here in 2010 both our top two draft picks couldn't play even before the first preseason game.

5. Jerry Jones wants a solution and has vocalized pretty much the same sentiment that I'm sharing. (Though his business ambition of promoting the Cowboys has proved counterproductive, as ChocLab has rightly noted. We didn't need this extra game and are 1 player down for having done so.)


Albert Einstein's famous bromide bears repeating "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

My recommended changes in my next post...

We should just have all of the players play Madden football and watch film during trainig camp to prepare for the regular season. I bet we would crush our opponent on opening day.

I actually think the Commanders should do thisThat way, Fat Albert would have to worry about that pesky fitness test.

 

[T-RO]

Can you read?

You are busted.

Here is what you wrote in post #27 of this thread. It's in black and white.


2009 preseason: 126.0
2009 regular season: 124.9

Either you were lying, grossly mistaken or are playing some pathetic game.

Plot it (based on the numbers you provided in post #27):
1. Preseason games are TRENDING LONGER relative to previous years. And...
2. They are NOW LONGER THAN THE REGULAR SEASON, with a extremely generous statistical sample size of 65 games in '09 and the additional game this year.

And let's get real Adam, is your insistence on trying to parse/bend/prevaricate your way out of your mistake...is it more about football chat or more about lacking the the grace and integrity to admit you were both wrong and juvenile in your attack.

This forum has been littered lately with your attempts at broadsiding fellow posters. You are sniping and not chatting.




Anyone in doubt...Just look at post 27.

 

[The Emperor]

Finally seeing my point.

Scott Sicko would have been playing 50 plays Thursday night regardless.

 

[T-RO]

To me that is just good old plain common sense based on the law of averages. But what do I know?

Exactly. If we want to see fewer injuries during camp and preseason we need to curtail the type of engagement that is causing them.

 

[T-RO]

Scott Sicko would have been playing 50 plays Thursday night regardless.

We are down from four tight ends to two, if MB can't play.

Heaping 100 plays over four days... on a guy who we might need as our h-back... that's crazy.

Now perhaps the Cowboys might go get a camp body to play some TE, but some of this madness can be avoided.

 

[T-RO]

We should just have all of the players play Madden football and watch film during trainig camp to prepare for the regular season. I bet we would crush our opponent on opening day.

I actually think the Commanders should do thisThat way, Fat Albert would have to worry about that pesky fitness test.

As crazy as it sounds...that's LESS crazy than losing 4 or 5 players each year before the season even starts.

-How much preseason football do they play in high school?
-How much preseason football do they play in college?

 

[AdamJT13]

You are busted.

Here is what you wrote in post #27 of this thread. It's in black and white.


2009 preseason: 126.0
2009 regular season: 124.9

Either you were lying, grossly mistaken or are playing some pathetic game.

Plot it (based on the numbers you provided in post #27):
1. Preseason games are TRENDING LONGER relative to before
2. They are NOW LONGER THAN THE REGULAR SEASON, with a extremely generous statistical sample size of 65 games in '09 and the additional game this year.

Again, can you read at all? Those stats were for OUR GAMES ONLY.

Here's my post, quoted directly, with the first word bolded --

Our offensive/defensive plays per game --

2009 preseason: 126.0
2009 regular season: 124.9

Anyone who can read would understand that those stats were for OUR games only.

Here are the numbers for the entire league, again quoted directly, with bolding added --

For all NFL games last year, the average preseason game had 123.9 offensive plays. The average regular season game had 125.9. Again, your point is disproved.

And one more time, again quoted directly --

Here are the NFL averages for the past four years --

2009 preseason 123.9
2009 reg.season 125.9

2008 preseason 123.8
2008 reg.season 123.8

2007 preseason 123.8
2007 reg.season 125.6

2006 preseason 122.4
2006 reg.season 125.0

So cling to your tiny sample size and pretend that you're right, if that's what you want to do, but everyone else knows that you're wrong.

 

[Apluz]

As crazy as it sounds...that's LESS crazy than losing 4 or 5 players each year before the season even starts.

Last season was the exception for us not the rule. And a couple of those players were injured during practice not in games so lets not get carried away overstating.

-How much preseason football do they play in high school?
-How much preseason football do they play in college?

High School players still get injured in practices and games.

College kids still get hurt and miss the whole season.

Tackle Football is a violent sport and that is the way I like it!

The only way to avoid some injuries is to change the rules. As much as I like football... the game played with flags dose not appeal to me. But I bet you real money Michael Irvin will attest to the fact that even in that game you can get injured.