Darn. No OSU in BCS title game now

[joseephuss]

Wow it took that long for the ND haters to show up?

Lets see how long has it been since Nebraska was respected?
How long was it untill actually this year that Alabama had a shot at something big?
Penn State has had maybe two big years in the last 10.
Now ND was down no doubt about it but as recently as 2006 was in the top 10 during the season. AAnd after hitting rock bottom last year is steadily gettting better. I predict that next year they will crack the top 10.

In 2006 Notre Dame was ranked #2 in the pre-season AP polls and finished the year at #17. They got spanked by LSU in the Sugar Bowl.

There are different levels to being over rated. You can be a good team and still be over rated because people think the team is unbeatable. ND in 2006 was over rated. There was no way they were deserving of a top ten ranking and especially a #2 ranking. They were not one of the top two teams in the country.

I think the same thing of Ohio State the last couple of years. I did not think they were one of the top two teams in the country when they went to the BCS title game. They may have had one of the best records, but in college football that does not tell the whole story. They played weak schedules the last two years. They played a weak schedule this year as well except for facing USC and they got blasted in that game. OSU is a good team and program, but for some reason they get looked at as a team that is much better than what they really are.

Like I said there are different levels of being over rated. Most programs would take the level that Ohio State has achieved because there is a certain level of success achieved to go along with it. Then there are teams that are completely over rated for no legitimate reason what so ever. I am thinking Clemson.

Clemson is the most over rated team in college football ever. I hear every year to watch out for Clemson. This year that was especially true. I heard it over and over. They were going to run the table. Well I never see them perform year after year. They fired their coach this year. That is not what a top 10 team should have to do.

I don't know where Clemson got all this respect from. What they won a title in 1981 or something? That must have been the weakest year in college football because they lose most every big game I see them play.

 

[bootsy]

I think the same thing of Ohio State the last couple of years. I did not think they were one of the top two teams in the country when they went to the BCS title game. They may have had one of the best records, but in college football that does not tell the whole story. They played weak schedules the last two years. They played a weak schedule this year as well except for facing USC and they got blasted in that game. OSU is a good team and program, but for some reason they get looked at as a team that is much better than what they really are.

This is another inaccurate statement. In 2006, Ohio State played and beat on the road then number 2 Texas, they also beat then number 2 Michigan in their last regular season game. About OSU's schedule being weak, Ohio State's non conference schedule is no different or weaker than any BCS conference school. The difference is the Big 10 is not up to par with the SEC, Big 12 but is that OSU's fault, again as I said in a previous post. NO. Ohio State took care of their business when they had two in 06 and 07 and did what they had to make it to the national title game. Those other teams that didn't make it only have themselves to blame not Ohio State.

 

[joseephuss]

This is another inaccurate statement. In 2006, Ohio State played and beat on the road then number 2 Texas, they also beat then number 2 Michigan in their last regular season game. About OSU's schedule being weak, Ohio State's non conference schedule is no different or weaker than any BCS conference school. The difference is the Big 10 is not up to par with the SEC, Big 12 but is that OSU's fault, again as I said in a previous post. NO. Ohio State took care of their business when they had two in 06 and 07 and did what they had to make it to the national title game. Those other teams that didn't make it only have themselves to blame not Ohio State.

Texas was not a good team in 2006. I don't care that they were ranked #2 at one point that year. They were not deserving of that ranking. Same for Michigan at the end of the year. They were not the 2nd best team in the nation. They were just undefeated. Yes, I said just. It is not that big of a feat when you don't play anyone.

Good for OSU for trying to schedule a tough out of conference match up, but the reality was that Texas was not a top ten team that year. People like to focus on what a team was ranked at the time the game was played. That doesn't mean that much to me because I don't often agree with those rankings. This is especially true in the early season match ups. Texas was ranked high because of what they did the year before, but they lost so much talent from that team. It was truly a team that was not on the same level as the previous year. And they still gave OSU a tough game.

I give them credit for scheduling USC this year. The rest of their non-conference opponents were very weak. Even weaker than most other big schools.

I never blamed OSU. I blame the people that organize the BCS and the entire system. There are times when I would rather see a one or two loss team over a team that is undefeated because it is clear that the undefeated team just isn't as good.

OSU was probably deserving of being in the BCS in 2006, but not last year. If you look at how everything went down you could see that OSU was not one of the top 2 teams in the nation last season. I thought it was obvious. A playoff system would have shown that just like the title game did.

Sometimes the eyeball test does not lie.

 

[bootsy]

Texas was not a good team in 2006. I don't care that they were ranked #2 at one point that year. They were not deserving of that ranking. Same for Michigan at the end of the year. They were not the 2nd best team in the nation. They were just undefeated. Yes, I said just. It is not that big of a feat when you don't play anyone.

Good for OSU for trying to schedule a tough out of conference match up, but the reality was that Texas was not a top ten team that year. People like to focus on what a team was ranked at the time the game was played. That doesn't mean that much to me because I don't often agree with those rankings. This is especially true in the early season match ups. Texas was ranked high because of what they did the year before, but they lost so much talent from that team. It was truly a team that was not on the same level as the previous year. And they still gave OSU a tough game.

I give them credit for scheduling USC this year. The rest of their non-conference opponents were very weak. Even weaker than most other big schools.

I never blamed OSU. I blame the people that organize the BCS and the entire system. There are times when I would rather see a one or two loss team over a team that is undefeated because it is clear that the undefeated team just isn't as good.

OSU was probably deserving of being in the BCS in 2006, but not last year. If you look at how everything went down you could see that OSU was not one of the top 2 teams in the nation last season. I thought it was obvious. A playoff system would have shown that just like the title game did.

Sometimes the eyeball test does not lie.

My point about Texas in 06 is that they were ranked 2nd at the time OSU played them and it was looked at as a big game. You say that it is good for OSU to schedule a tough non-con game but Texas was no good. Well that was the 2nd of a back to back scheduled with Texas set a few years before so again you are penalizing OSU for Texas not being any good in 06. Not OSU's fault. They beat who was on the schedule.

There is no 'probably' about deserving to go in 06. They were the consensus number 1 for most of that season.

I know you along with others have some sort of hatred for OSU but please get over it and use some common sense on this. Any team that is number 1, undefeated for almost an entire season DESERVES to play for the championship.

OSU was deserving last year. As I have said about 3 times in this thread. Missouri and West Virginia, who lost at home to a bad team, didn't take care of business in their last game. Ohio State was next in line. They deserved to go last year.

 

[burmafrd]

OK then explain why OSU got stomped in the BCS game if they were SO DESERVING?
They were over rated. end of story.

 

[bootsy]

OK then explain why OSU got stomped in the BCS game if they were SO DESERVING?
They were over rated. end of story.

Uh, I have done that a few times in this thread. Obviously you didn't read anything I typed. My God u stupid.:bang2:
Read along with me:
They were the consensus number 1 for most of that season in 2006. Undefeated, beat two number 2 ranked teams. That's how they were so deserving. Please read it over and over again until you get it.

What happened in those games has happened in Super Bowls, other BCS title games, World Series, NBA Finals. One team dominated another team. It didn't start with Ohio State and won't end with Ohio State. I know contrary to your popular belief you think teams getting blown out in championship games started when Ohio St. played Florida but I got news for you. It didn't.

 

[joseephuss]

My point about Texas in 06 is that they were ranked 2nd at the time OSU played them and it was looked at as a big game. You say that it is good for OSU to schedule a tough non-con game but Texas was no good. Well that was the 2nd of a back to back scheduled with Texas set a few years before so again you are penalizing OSU for Texas not being any good in 06. Not OSU's fault. They beat who was on the schedule.

There is no 'probably' about deserving to go in 06. They were the consensus number 1 for most of that season.

I know you along with others have some sort of hatred for OSU but please get over it and use some common sense on this. Any team that is number 1, undefeated for almost an entire season DESERVES to play for the championship.

OSU was deserving last year. As I have said about 3 times in this thread. Missouri and West Virginia, who lost at home to a bad team, didn't take care of business in their last game. Ohio State was next in line. They deserved to go last year.

Again I don't care that Texas was ranked #2 at the time. I thought they were over rated at that time and as the season progressed they proved that. They clearly weren't the 2nd best team in the nation.

Again I give OSU credit for scheduling Texas or USC. Even if those teams happen to have down year at least they are trying to schedule good programs. They are not doing that when they schedule Youngstown St., Kent St, Ohio or any of the other small schools they played.

Like I said I don't blame OSU or have anything against them. I don't like the system. I never agreed that OSU was the #1 team in the nation in 2006. There were other teams in the country that could have played OSU's schedule that year and been undefeated. With no playoff system you have to look at more than just the final record. We do it all the time with non-BCS schools. No one is going to think that Tulsa or Utah is deserving of being #1 if they go undefeated this year. Why can't we do that with BCS schools as well? If we did we could see then OSU would not have been #1 in 2006.

The Big 10 is way down right now and has been the last few seasons. They will be up again and another conference like the Big 12 will be down in a few years. The ACC is even further down than the Big 10 and has been so since they added VaTech and Miami. I would not want to see an undefeated ACC team in any of the BCS games. It is just such a poor conference lately.

Also the 2006 OSU team was better than the 2007 OSU team. The 2006 team got blown out in the title game. Seemed logical that the weaker 2007 version would fair no better. Forget Mizzou and West Virginia. They could have and should have picked another team to face off with LSU.

That is why a playoff system is needed. OSU in a playoff system would not have made it to the title game the last two years.

 

[bootsy]

Again I don't care that Texas was ranked #2 at the time. I thought they were over rated at that time and as the season progressed they proved that. They clearly weren't the 2nd best team in the nation.

Again I give OSU credit for scheduling Texas or USC. Even if those teams happen to have down year at least they are trying to schedule good programs. They are not doing that when they schedule Youngstown St., Kent St, Ohio or any of the other small schools they played.

Like I said I don't blame OSU or have anything against them. I don't like the system. I never agreed that OSU was the #1 team in the nation in 2006. There were other teams in the country that could have played OSU's schedule that year and been undefeated. With no playoff system you have to look at more than just the final record. We do it all the time with non-BCS schools. No one is going to think that Tulsa or Utah is deserving of being #1 if they go undefeated this year. Why can't we do that with BCS schools as well? If we did we could see then OSU would not have been #1 in 2006.

The Big 10 is way down right now and has been the last few seasons. They will be up again and another conference like the Big 12 will be down in a few years. The ACC is even further down than the Big 10 and has been so since they added VaTech and Miami. I would not want to see an undefeated ACC team in any of the BCS games. It is just such a poor conference lately.

Also the 2006 OSU team was better than the 2007 OSU team. The 2006 team got blown out in the title game. Seemed logical that the weaker 2007 version would fair no better. Forget Mizzou and West Virginia. They could have and should have picked another team to face off with LSU.

That is why a playoff system is needed. OSU in a playoff system would not have made it to the title game the last two years.

I am getting tired of this topic because I feel like I keep repeating myself. You are going by if's and what if's. If we had a playoff system, if this, if that. I don't really care. Everyone knows what OSU did in 06 and 07 up to the BCS title game and in both cases they were deserving of playing in the title game.

 

[burmafrd]

ANd everyone but OSU homers know they did not deserve it because if they had they would not have gotten their butts kicked like they did.

OVER RATED.

 

[bootsy]

ANd everyone but OSU homers know they did not deserve it because if they had they would not have gotten their butts kicked like they did.

OVER RATED.

You bring nothing to this conversation. I disagree with joseephuss but both of us have brought a lot of info to the table. You however bring nothing to this conversation. I mean NOTHING to it.

 

[burmafrd]

The last try of those who know they have lost.

poor bootsy.

 

[bootsy]

The last try of those who know they have lost.

poor bootsy.

LOL. I called you out for what you are. It just shows you watch ESPN too much and you really don't know what you are talking about. Like I said most everyone has had some substantial arguments except YOU.

 

[burmafrd]

Why waste my time when the others made such a good case?

It was fun watching you and .... gee no one else even tried to defend OSU.

Wonder why?

Maybe they figured defending OSU now is like re arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.......

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm quite thankful that Ohio State won't be getting another shot at a National Title this year just so they can show up, get destroyed, and stick us with another piss poor title game.

Thank you Penn State for putting an end to any hope of that travesty happening again.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Now that is a team that hasn't done anything in a long time. If anyone wants to call a team overrated look no further than Notre Dame. No titles, no bowl wins, no title game appearances, no nothing for about 15 years.

best part this year is they have three losses with a guaranteed fourth loss against USC later in the year. No way they get a BCS at large berth with three or four losses. They can get their behinds handed to them in some no name bowl again this year.

 

[bootsy]

best part this year is they have three losses with a guaranteed fourth loss against USC later in the year. No way they get a BCS at large berth with three or four losses. They can get their behinds handed to them in some no name bowl again this year.

Like most of you feel about my Buckeyes is how I feel about Notre Dame. I can't stand them and Weis. I remember before OSU played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a couple of years ago, Weis had a cocky attitude and just rubs me the wrong way. I was so glad we wiped them off the field that day.

I know that they fired Willingham and it was for good reason because he isn't a good coach not because of race but if you are gonna make a decision like that at least hire a better coach. You could make a strong argument that Weis is a worse coach than Willingham was at ND. I don't know what their overall records are but I know they are pretty close.

 

[jimmy40]

Like most of you feel about my Buckeyes is how I feel about Notre Dame. I can't stand them and Weis. I remember before OSU played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a couple of years ago, Weis had a cocky attitude and just rubs me the wrong way. I was so glad we wiped them off the field that day.

I know that they fired Willingham and it was for good reason because he isn't a good coach not because of race but if you are gonna make a decision like that at least hire a better coach. You could make a strong argument that Weis is a worse coach than Willingham was at ND. I don't know what their overall records are but I know they are pretty close.

I don't hate OSU. I do hate Notre Dame.

 

[burmafrd]

and once again bootsy shows how little informed he is.

"I don't know"
should be his mantra.

 

[bootsy]

and once again bootsy shows how little informed he is.

"I don't know"
should be his mantra.

and once again burmafrd shows how obsessed he is with me. You gotta stop obsessing over me. I know I am your idol but you are getting carried away with it.

 

[burmafrd]

I like being able to kick someone who does not know how to duck.