DaRon Bland pick sixes

[cowboyec]

love daron bland.
stay healthy,he'll be an all-time good'n.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

One of the worst CB's ever, mo claiborne probably tops them all, then kelvin joseph etc

Yikes. Never heard of Pete Hunter or Dwayne goodrich? The Cowboys have had a lot of bad defensive backs the last 30 or so years, Byron Jones wasn't one of them

 

[FanofJerry]

Yikes. Never heard of Pete Hunter or Dwayne goodrich? The Cowboys have had a lot of bad defensive backs the last 30 or so years, Byron Jones wasn't one of them

Byron wasn't splash enough...

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Byron wasn't splash enough...

No argument here

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

How many record breakers did Commanders have though? Marshon Lattimore got worse when he got there but he probably is owed a offseason with them Before writing him off.

Quinn instant the D coordinator in Washington. Like in Atlanta, there’s only so much inference he can have

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Pretty sure, just an idea, that when you have a great pass rush, and the QB is under duress, playing from behind, that turnovers happen.

Right. Is that not a result of Dan Quinn? And why isn’t every team accomplishing these things having record setting DBs?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Quinn instant the D coordinator in Washington. Like in Atlanta, there’s only so much inference he can have

You think Quinn the head coach has no influence on that defense?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You think Quinn the head coach has no influence on that defense?

*Less influence than as DC, of course I do. Belichick’s defense in the mid 2010’s with Matt Patricia wasn’t close to as good as Brian Flores. The D coordinator is still the most important person in a coaching staff for the defense. HC can oversee, he can give instructions and be somewhat hands on; but he isn’t in every defensive meeting. He isn’t working with each defensive player individually on how they need to adjust to fit the scheme. He has way bigger stuff to do

Quinn DC in Seattle, great defensive performances

Quinn HC in Atlanta, rocky and often terrible defenses

Quinn DC in Dallas, some of the best D’s you’ve had in years

Quinn HC in Washington, so far good but not the same

It’s not just a wild coincidence

 

[Hardline]

More like Bland punked them and made it look like they gave no effort. Sheesh, such negative talk. Why?

There were two Washington players that basically gave him the revolving door treatment.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

*Less influence than as DC, of course I do. Belichick’s defense in the mid 2010’s with Matt Patricia wasn’t close to as good as Brian Flores. The D coordinator is still the most important person in a coaching staff for the defense. HC can oversee, he can give instructions and be somewhat hands on; but he isn’t in every defensive meeting. He isn’t working with each defensive player individually on how they need to adjust to fit the scheme. He has way bigger stuff to do

Quinn DC in Seattle, great defensive performances

Quinn HC in Atlanta, rocky and often terrible defenses

Quinn DC in Dallas, some of the best D’s you’ve had in years

Quinn HC in Washington, so far good but not the same

It’s not just a wild coincidence

It's also not a coincidence, look at the talent lol.....He had the Legion of Boom in Seattle. In Dallas, he had Micah, Bland, Diggs, etc.

He goes to Atlanta and Commanders to improve and fix those units that are bad before he gets there and can't. And i'm pretty sure in Seattle that was Gus Bradley's defense. When Quinn has done well he's inherited good defenses.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There were two Washington players that basically gave him the revolving door treatment.

Looks like the Commanders guys ran into each other....now Sam Howell he didn't look good but I mean he's a quarterback.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

It's also not a coincidence, look at the talent lol.....He had the Legion of Boom in Seattle. In Dallas, he had Micah, Bland, Diggs, etc.

He goes to Atlanta and Commanders to improve and fix those units that are bad before he gets there and can't. And i'm pretty sure in Seattle that was Gus Bradley's defense. When Quinn has done well he's inherited good defenses.

It’s interesting how you guys would idolize players and coaches when they’re cowboys and then kick them in the rear when they left. I remember these same conversations you and I had about Amari when you were defending him endlessly, then after he left you use the same arguments I did against him.

Quinn is an excellent D coordinator. And Washington in 2023 went from 32nd defense to 18th in 2024. They gave up over 1000 fewer yards. Thats a big improvement. Who were all the superstar players they added? Over the hill Bobby Wagner no one else wanted to pay?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It’s interesting how you guys would idolize players and coaches when they’re cowboys and then kick them in the rear when they left. I remember these same conversations you and I had about Amari when you were defending him endlessly, then after he left you use the same arguments I did against him.

Quinn is an excellent D coordinator. And Washington in 2023 went from 32nd defense to 18th in 2024. They gave up over 1000 fewer yards. Thats a big improvement. Who were all the superstar players they added? Over the hill Bobby Wagner no one else wanted to pay?

I have no idea what the Amari take was.....he was a good receiver. Were you arguing he was bad or what I honestly don't remember that.

Frankie LUvu, Bobby Wagner, Lattimore, Dorance Armstrong, Fowler, Payne, Chinn.....

That's besides the point, though. You tried to give Quinn credit for the Cowboys defense over the years, but then, when you bring up Falcons or Commanders, it's not him, it's the DCs, as if he has no influence over that. Commanders didn't hire him because of his offensive expertise. It was to fix the defense while Kinsbury does the offense.

And then you want to give him credit for the Commanders being 18th after you just said he's not the DC......you will give him credit for that but won't give him blame for 55 to 23 against Philly or 48 to 32 or allowing 19 points in the 4th quarter to the Pats in the SB.

He's a good DC. But there are some things I will give him credit for and I believe Micah is still Micah without Quinn.

 

[jazzcat22]

There were two Washington players that basically gave him the revolving door treatment.

Or he made it seem that way.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I have no idea what the Amari take was.....he was a good receiver. Were you arguing he was bad or what I honestly don't remember that.

Frankie LUvu, Bobby Wagner, Lattimore, Dorance Armstrong, Fowler, Payne, Chinn.....

That's besides the point, though. You tried to give Quinn credit for the Cowboys defense over the years, but then, when you bring up Falcons or Commanders, it's not him, it's the DCs, as if he has no influence over that. Commanders didn't hire him because of his offensive expertise. It was to fix the defense while Kinsbury does the offense.

And then you want to give him credit for the Commanders being 18th after you just said he's not the DC......you will give him credit for that but won't give him blame for 55 to 23 against Philly or 48 to 32 or allowing 19 points in the 4th quarter to the Pats in the SB.

He's a good DC. But there are some things I will give him credit for and I believe Micah is still Micah without Quinn.

You’re speaking in absolutes. I corrected you when you said he had no influence on the defense. He has some influence, and more importantly has huge influence on who the DC is. The commanders didn’t hire him to fix the offense, they also didn’t hire him to fix the defense; that is a stupid reason to hire a HC. They hired Dan Quinn to run the organization at the player level. If Dan Quinn came in and didn’t improve the defense but greatly improved the team, he’s still a success; as was what happened in Atlanta

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You’re speaking in absolutes. I corrected you when you said he had no influence on the defense. He has some influence, and more importantly has huge influence on who the DC is. The commanders didn’t hire him to fix the offense, they also didn’t hire him to fix the defense; that is a stupid reason to hire a HC. They hired Dan Quinn to run the organization at the player level. If Dan Quinn came in and didn’t improve the defense but greatly improved the team, he’s still a success; as was what happened in Atlanta

Its stupid reason for a team to hire a defensive coach is to fix the defense? Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Coogiguy03]

you mean offensive players looking like they dont know how to form tackle? weird....

Yeah because they turn into defensive players, so they never had to tackle anything in their football playing days lol get real this isn't being a kicker

 

[Coogiguy03]

More like Bland punked them and made it look like they gave no effort. Sheesh, such negative talk. Why?

There was no effort

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Its stupid reason for a team to hire a defensive coach is to fix the defense? Am I understanding you correctly?

If that is the primary reason they hired him, yes. His #1 job is the leader of the men in the locker room and to improve the product on the field. If he does that by improving the defense, great. If the defense doesn’t improve but the team does, that’s not an issue he should be martyred for if the team overall is showing clear improvement. If they only needed the defense fixed they could have just gotten a better D coordinator. If they needed the whole team on a new path, then they get Quinn to be the HC.

Let me redirect it back at you: In 1999 the Ravens hired Brian Billick, the architect of the historically dominant Minnesota Vikings offense. Then in 2000 he won the Super Bowl as HC, but they had a dismal offense to go with their alltime defense. Do you feel he failed them as HC that season because the team should have expected him to fix the offense first and foremost?

Of course not. The OC’s job is the offense, the DC’s job is the defense, the HC’s job is the team. No one feels Dan Quinn isn’t doing what Washington hired him to do by bringing the 18th best defense to the NFCCG. Everything is now his responsibility, not just the defense.

 

[CCBoy]

The Dallas cornerback room would easily top the division if they were healthy. Trevon Diggs was an All-Pro in 2021 and played better as a coverage corner in 2022. He tore his ACL in 2023 and wasn't the same in 2024 before injuring himself again. Diggs can't be counted on to be who he was pre-injuries if he plays in 2025.

Josh Butler played well in limited starts before tearing his ACL. He was on pace for 71 tackles, 17 pass breakups, and 3.5 sacks if he played 17 games, but he could miss all of 2025. Shavon Revel Jr. was considered one of the top corner prospects in the draft, but an ACL injury forced him to drop to the third round. He should be ready for training camp, but he is a rookie coming off a significant injury, so his abilities are unknown, too.

Caelen Carson was a promising rookie who looked lost playing through a shoulder injury, Israel Mukuamu played well in a playoff game a few years ago, but hasn't been trusted with many defensive snaps since then, and Kaiir Elam is a former first-round pick, but the Buffalo Bills traded him away for a Day 3 pick swap. Elam will likely be the starter outside until Revel Jr. or Diggs are ready. He had PFF grades over 70 in every area except coverage, where he scored a 67. The potential is nice in the cornerback room, but DaRon Bland is the only known commodity. He has played well in the slot and was an All-Pro outside the 2023 season, in which he broke the record for interceptions returned for a touchdown. He started the season injured, but played well in his seven starts with a PFF coverage and overall grade over 70. If Diggs and Bland play at their All-Pro level, it leaves multiple players as the third option. Revel Jr., Butler, Elam, Carson, or Mukuamu will all get a chance, and it would only require one to break out, but with those unknowns, plus Diggs's health, Dallas falls second in the division.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/st...nkings-cornerbacks-2025-nfc-east/83786991007/