Dat too small for 3-4?

[Nors]

No the Pro Howard trade advocates are in that hole, buried and out of air for better part of a year.

 

[Nors]

And now the Howard'ites extoll Dats virtues sans trade! poetic justice!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

hey, I was pro-Howard, but unlike those who you speak ill of, I was open to other options

 

[Nors]

Howard - best trade we never made

Adds Canty, Spears, Ware and Burnett. We would have sacrificed some of that and Dat to overpay a DE - that is somewhat overated and not an All Pro....
and not a 3-4 End - great poker by Parcells in offseason!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree, we would be stuck with Fowler or Shanle as one of our starting MLBs

ouch

 

[Billy Bullocks]

But Dat has also made alot of big plays. You cant fix every position in 1 off season. I like Dat alot. It's not all about size out there, you also gotta use it. There's alot of guys who are 6'2" and 250lbs, but that doesn't mean they can play. Dat makes plays, he may give up a few because of his size, but he's made alot of plays for us. Pass break ups. That sort of thing

 

[Inny Ceptaverde]

as I qualified previously I dont think that Dat sucks, I think he is being under utilized. In the 4-3 the linemen are supposed to hold up the OL and let the backers make the plays. In the 3-4 the lineman are supposed to hold thier guys and the LB's are supposed to shed the blocks of guards to make plays. Thats why guys like Levon Kirkland used to play inside linebacker at 289 lbs.

I think that Parcells had made a decision, just like he did with testaverde last year and will bang his head against the wall regardless of results to do things his way. I think that the 4-3 suits our personel better. I like Dat as a player. I also like the fact that he along with Dan Cambell want to play here just because they are playing for the Dallas Cowboys. I just hate to see poor decisions like using schemes that dont fit our personel and going for 4 and 1 on our own end of the field. Those type of decisions equal 6-10 again.

 

[Rack]

So ... Dat sheds blocks better than any LB in the league and you want to replace him with whom??????? Stuck on stoopid.

Where did you get that from? Did you watch that General (I think it was a general) on CNN talking about evacuating New Orleans?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and Dat is a human being, he's prone to mistakes, it's not like he's getting blown up on every play, and again, have to look at the play of his linemates in front of him too

 

[Rack]

There's a LB in San Diego that's also considered "Undersized" for a 3-4 MLB that most people (the smart ones anyway) think should of been in the ProBowl last year.


Here's how Donnie Edwards' stats were after the first 4 games last year (going by the ESPN.com boxscores from 2004):

Game 1: 10 tackles

Game 2: 8 tackles

Game 3: 8 tackles

Game 4: 8 tackles

I don't know about Forced Fumbles or Fumble recoveries cuz they weren't listed. Maybe Adam can find that info or someone else that has access to more in-depth stats.

*Note: Just wanted to point out that the Chargers also started 2-2 last year (finished 12-4). And they gave up 17, 23, 34, and 20 points in their first 4 games respectively. That's 94 points. We've given up 24, 14, 31, 19 the first 4 games. That's 88 points.)


Ok back on topic:

Dat Nguyen this year:

Game 1: 7 tackles

Game 2: 8 tackles, 1 sack

Game 3: 7 tackles, 1 int

Game 4: 3 tackles


Total:

Dat: 25 tackles, 1 sack, 1 int, and I know he has a fumble recovery or forced fumble or maybe both.

Edwards (in 2004, his first year in a 3-4): 34 tackles, NO sacks, NO ints, not sure about forced or recovered fumbles cuz they weren't listed at ESPN.com.


So Edwards at this point had 9 more tackles after 4 games, but didn't have a sack, didn't have an int. Dat has a forced and/or recovered fumble. Don't know about Edwards.


Bottom line: You people criticizing Dat need to **** cuz you simply don't know *** you're talking about.

 

[blindzebra]

There's a LB in San Diego that's also considered "Undersized" for a 3-4 MLB that most people (the smart ones anyway) think should of been in the ProBowl last year.


Here's how Donnie Edwards' stats were after the first 4 games last year (going by the ESPN.com boxscores from 2004):

Game 1: 10 tackles

Game 2: 8 tackles

Game 3: 8 tackles

Game 4: 8 tackles

I don't know about Forced Fumbles or Fumble recoveries cuz they weren't listed. Maybe Adam can find that info or someone else that has access to more in-depth stats.

*Note: Just wanted to point out that the Chargers also started 2-2 last year (finished 12-4). And they gave up 17, 23, 34, and 20 points in their first 4 games respectively. That's 94 points. We've given up 24, 14, 31, 19 the first 4 games. That's 88 points.)


Ok back on topic:

Dat Nguyen this year:

Game 1: 7 tackles

Game 2: 8 tackles, 1 sack

Game 3: 7 tackles, 1 int

Game 4: 3 tackles


Total:

Dat: 25 tackles, 1 sack, 1 int, and I know he has a fumble recovery or forced fumble or maybe both.

Edwards (in 2004, his first year in a 3-4): 34 tackles, NO sacks, NO ints, not sure about forced or recovered fumbles cuz they weren't listed at ESPN.com.


So Edwards at this point had 9 more tackles after 4 games, but didn't have a sack, didn't have an int. Dat has a forced and/or recovered fumble. Don't know about Edwards.


Bottom line: You people criticizing Dat need to **** cuz you simply don't know *** you're talking about.

He has two pass defenses too, one of which might have saved the SD game.

 

[Hostile]

How did I know this would turn into a Darren Howard thread? I told my friend Rich that before the night was up Darren Howard would be brought up.

Either I'm omnicient or some people are broken records, and since I have never won the lottery I'm pretty sure omnicient is out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

my bad hostile, just needed to bring that up to show how ridiculous the poster's, who started this thread, assertion was, I sincerely apologize

 

[NorthDalal]

Simple solution. After watching NFL Preview tonight do a segment on the ineffectiveness of N.E.'s 3-4 and their abandonment of it in the second half last week,
I'm starting to believe the problem is the guy who thinks one of our two best DT's should be on the sidelines so that a "never-was" like Bradie James of Scott Shanle can be on the field.

The Parcells 3-4 experiment is definitely wearing thin over here at Chez NorthdalAl.

 

[Hostile]

my bad hostile, just needed to bring that up to show how ridiculous the poster's, who started this thread, assertion was, I sincerely apologize

It would have come up even if you weren't the first to say his name.

 

[vicjagger]

I heard Shanle's up to 6'-6", 280 now.

 

[junk]

I heard Shanle's up to 6'-6", 280 now.

Bill Brasky!....I mean Scott Shanle!

 

[Nors]

There's a LB in San Diego that's also considered "Undersized" for a 3-4 MLB that most people (the smart ones anyway) think should of been in the ProBowl last year.


Here's how Donnie Edwards' stats were after the first 4 games last year (going by the ESPN.com boxscores from 2004):

Game 1: 10 tackles

Game 2: 8 tackles

Game 3: 8 tackles

Game 4: 8 tackles

I don't know about Forced Fumbles or Fumble recoveries cuz they weren't listed. Maybe Adam can find that info or someone else that has access to more in-depth stats.

*Note: Just wanted to point out that the Chargers also started 2-2 last year (finished 12-4). And they gave up 17, 23, 34, and 20 points in their first 4 games respectively. That's 94 points. We've given up 24, 14, 31, 19 the first 4 games. That's 88 points.)


Ok back on topic:

Dat Nguyen this year:

Game 1: 7 tackles

Game 2: 8 tackles, 1 sack

Game 3: 7 tackles, 1 int

Game 4: 3 tackles


Total:

Dat: 25 tackles, 1 sack, 1 int, and I know he has a fumble recovery or forced fumble or maybe both.

Edwards (in 2004, his first year in a 3-4): 34 tackles, NO sacks, NO ints, not sure about forced or recovered fumbles cuz they weren't listed at ESPN.com.


So Edwards at this point had 9 more tackles after 4 games, but didn't have a sack, didn't have an int. Dat has a forced and/or recovered fumble. Don't know about Edwards.


Bottom line: You people criticizing Dat need to **** cuz you simply don't know *** you're talking about.

I agree on Dat - a football player and was unwilling to trade him in Howard trade.

He is undersized for the 3-4 but gets by fine. You don't need all the swearing and vulgarities at those that don't agree with you.

 

[Nors]

Simple solution. After watching NFL Preview tonight do a segment on the ineffectiveness of N.E.'s 3-4 and their abandonment of it in the second half last week,
I'm starting to believe the problem is the guy who thinks one of our two best DT's should be on the sidelines so that a "never-was" like Bradie James of Scott Shanle can be on the field.

The Parcells 3-4 experiment is definitely wearing thin over here at Chez NorthdalAl.

You didn't watch Pats game eh?

They are a base 4-3 team this year and were Blown out in SECOND Half of the game.

Our young defense is paying for not addressing FS - clearly. We have many new playmakers seeing field in Canty, Spears, Ware, Shanle, Rat and Burnett soon. It will take some time. When aggressive our D is causing more pressure, sacks and turnovers.

You guys gotta chill - we are 2-2 and those 2 losses we were deep into the other teams field in final minutes threatening to win game.

All you advocates of going back to your passive 4-3 cover 2 are killing me! :laugh2: Go watch the Skins last 5 minutes - thats what we were in. Thats Vanilla as it gets and Brunnell smoked us.

 

[Rack]

I heard Shanle's up to 6'-6", 280 now.

Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds, and if he were here he'd consume the Eagles with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.