David Carr on what keeps us as an also-ran

[pancakeman]

I cannot stand film reviewers who constantly run 1-2 second play loops over and over and over and over.

Either run it and stop it while you talk, or wait to run it when you're done making your point.

Watching the video in 1-2 second loops dozens of times including several times per sentence was painful to watch and made pressing the STOP button a very satisfying conclusion.

I can remember when "film study" meant actual film. In those days I think you had to keep flipping between forward and reverse -- stopping on one frame would overheat and melt or ignite the celluloid. In the age of digital media there's no reason for it, and I agree that it gets really tiring.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Please define “also ran”. Not making the Championship game? Then all of the league is an also ran but four. 25 wins in two years? Disappointment not also ran. The lack of football knowledge on this board is Breathtaking and you guys think you could do something better. Get better at your job or take a pay cut and be consistent

My.
Doesn't know what also-rans is.
Tsk-tsk.
Well, remedial school starts Tuesday at UT-Arlington. May I reserve a seat for you?
We shall be so proud of you (as always) at certificate time!

al·so-ran
[ˈôlsōˌran]

NOUN

1. a loser in a race or other contest, especially by a large margin:
   "the line between champions and also-rans"

 

[Portnoy1]

No one can know if Carr could have been better - when you get sacked 250 times in 5 years and get hit almost as many more, no QB is going to look very good.
By the time he escaped he was toast. I recall someone said that only on 1 out of 3 pass plays was Carr NOT hit during that time.

When he talked about Dak having a good pocket and that he’s seen worse pockets and then he looked directly into the camera and paused , I nearly spit out my drink I was Laughing so hard.

 

[G2]

That man could sure take a beating.

 

[CWR]

How many OCs have to be fired before Dak jock sniffers like you will wake up?

At least one more I guess

Great guy
Talks well
Looks good in a suit
Average at QB

He’s the Jason Garrett of QBs

Wrong and name one coordinator who actually went on to do something after leaving Dallas. I'll wait for that answer.

I see Dak for what he is, which is a top 10ish qb, who we are married to for at least two more seasons.

He will either succeed without KM or him, and MM will both be exposed. Its a win/win, unless you are foolish enough to believe KM is the next great coach.

 

[gtb1943]

When he talked about Dak having a good pocket and that he’s seen worse pockets and then he looked directly into the camera and paused , I nearly spit out my drink I was Laughing so hard.

ITs arguable that David Carr probably knows more about bad pockets then any QB of the last 20 years.

 

[Chuck 54]

As a Dak supporter and fan, I love these film breakdowns. Everyone I’ve ever seen by former QBs and guys who never played the position are still better than listening to the garbage BS fans write, and rewrite, and rewrite, and rewrite in every thread they can find.

While I really enjoy the Kurt Warner and David Carr breakdowns, let’s remember that most “genius” OCs never played NFL QB and certainly weren’t stars; that’s not a requirement. Every breakdown I’ve seen appears honest in calling out Dak when he’s late with a pass or makes the wrong decision. That should not bother fans. Every QB in the NFL has those in every game. But every breakdown I’ve watched posted here also has guys like Carr and Warner saying they don’t understand what the offense is supposed to be doing. Warner is often befuddled and says he doesn’t understand the purpose of the routes and that he sees a serious lack of attention to details in how the plays are designed and executed by receivers. Carr repeatedly beat the drum that Dallas needed change in coaching. He said that we would never beat SF even if we had great play by the QB and great blocking and great receivers; he was laughing about how our offense vs SF was designed with all receivers standing around at the sticks on most plays, how SF knew it and was waiting to jump routes, and that we would never win a game vs a defense like SF unless there was a change.

He wasn’t talking about the QB. On a minor note, even the one play where he said Dak should have stepped up because the pocket wasn’t that bad and he had seen worse, he also said he didn’t blame Dak as the pressure was there collapsing the left side. Dak escaped to his left and had no where to go with the ball due to the routes. He showed us where Dak could have moved forward since the middle was holding up and maybe delivered the ball to a guy on the other side, and that’s true. On another play, he questioned why Dak was even looking to the right side where there were 2 receivers on 3. That made him late with the only throw he had in tight coverage on the left where it was 3 receivers on 4. That split second was the difference between a short completion and the deflected pass that was intercepted.

I didn’t think any of those mistakes were terrible as no one was really open, but I hated the play where he showed how Dak threw to Ceedee down one seam on the LB because Dak was fooled by the LB up in the line faking the blitz and then dropping deep middle. He said if Dak had understood that Greenlaw was the threat and adjusted the blocking there instead of to the other guy who was up in the line but more the coverage guy, then he wouldn’t have had the free runner in his face and could have held the ball and seen TY open in the other seam later for a possible TD.

Those who are fans of Dak like me should accept and admit when Dak makes a mistake rather than defending him. Guess what? Roger and Troy also made plenty of mistakes and threw interceptions in big games. It’s not something to run from. I love this forum so much, or what it used to be. If we would just stop arguing with the same few guys that we know are going to post about every bad throw Dak makes even when we win or he has a great game, it wouldn’t be the problem it is now.

Ive reached the point where the minute I see those guys on a roll, I stop reading them. They have a right to their opinions, but we are ruining the forum by arguing with them or making excuses. It just feeds the fire and suddenly they have taken over the thread. Let them express their opinions. Simply shake your head and move on to the posts you enjoy. When you respond and argue, so do they. It’s making this place almost unbearable, but I promise you, you will enjoy the Cowboys and your fellow fans if you try to simply ignore those who hate Dak as our QB. It will make it better for all of us because I can ignore some of the comments that anger me and seem so foolish, but when I have to read those same guys in 50% of every thread because fans have engaged them, it’s really difficult.
Go Cowboys!

 

[LatinMind]

This Offense was effective against the lesser Defenses, but against the more talented and smarter ones, it struggled badly to put up points for the reasons mentioned in the opening post video.

I remember Dallas putting 40 on the eagles Def. Whats their Def ranked?

 

[kskboys]

It's ironic how David Carr is saying Dak looked late or needed to get the ball out quicker, etc, yet he failed from the same exact things.

No he didn't.

 

[kskboys]

No, you are incorrect. For a #1 overall draft pick, David Carr never had a winning season throughout all of his career, had more INTs than TDs and never was able to make his teammates better.

David Carr Among 8 Most Overrated Houston Texans in Franchise History

No. 2: David Carr, QB
David Carr was the first overall pick of the 2002 NFL draft. He was also the first pick in the history of the franchise, excluding the expansion draft.

Carr was expected to be the franchise quarterback, the guy who would lead the Texans offense for many years.

However, due to an extremely ineffective offensive line and Carr's own shortcomings as QB in the NFL, he was never successful. He never lead the Texans to a winning record, although this cannot be solely blamed on him, and he threw more interceptions (65) than touchdowns (59) as a starting quarterback for the Texans.

Carr was supposed to be the guy who would lead the expansion Texans to a bright future, but instead, he was the guy that gave them a dark, dark past.

https://syndication.bleacherreport....-houston-texans-in-franchise-history.amp.html

David Carr was ranked by NFL.com as #38 out of the 52 No. 1 Draft Picks in the common NFL era. That's pretty bad.

https://www.nfl.com/photos/ranking-all-52-no-1-picks-of-the-nfl-s-common-draft-era-0ap3000000797366

David Carr was also picked among the worst draft picks in Texans history.

https://www.nfl.com/news/houston-texans-best-and-worst-draft-picks-0ap1000000162231

David Carr's career record was 22 - 53, albeit not helped with a better Oline and better talent around him, but he was let go by the Texans after his 5th year. David Carr spent the rest of his career as a backup QB for 4 other teams. Horrible for a #1 overall draft pick.

None of that was in any way relevant to my post. I think you meant to copy someone else's post.

 

[Flamma]

I didn't watch the whole thing because I don't need to be depressed. But on the first example, Ceedee ran a terrible out. That was bad. As a WR there you have to sell deep and make a sharp cut out. Not a rounded cut. Terrible route by CD. The TE was where to go.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

This video supports everything I have said the past 2+ weeks and for the past 2+ seasons. People wonder why I'm still defending Dak? This video and breakdown by David Carr fully explains why. It's not all on Dak. Dak has had no chance for quite some time playing under Kellen Moore as his O-Coordinator and this ownership's personnel and coaching decisions. What a joke.

This is why the O-Coordinator, Oline coach, QBs coach and RBs coach are no longer here. Exactly why they were all fired recently. I wonder why the WRs coach has not been fired yet? What a total mess this Offense has been from the ground up, especially with player personnel and especially play designs/concepts. Absolutely gave your QB no help whatsoever.

I'll wait for the apologies for being attacked the past 2+ weeks for defending Dak and stating over and over It's not all on Dak, but I know I won't get them. Hope people better understand now what the issue has been. Lots of problems with this Offense.

Lol

 

[America's Cowboy]

None of that was in any way relevant to my post. I think you meant to copy someone else's post.

David Carr was a bad QB. Let's stop trying to make him more than he was. He failed terribly at Houston and was no more than a backup QB for 4 other teams afterwards.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2008/jul/31/motivation-drives-carr/

Like I said before, I don't take his film breakdowns that seriously when he himself made similar mistakes when he played. Maybe he is talking out of experience and recognizes some bad reads or decisions after years of he committing the same mistakes repeatedly during his failed playing years?

 

[kskboys]

I didn't watch the whole thing because I don't need to be depressed. But on the first example, Ceedee ran a terrible out. That was bad. As a WR there you have to sell deep and make a sharp cut out. Not a rounded cut. Terrible route by CD. The TE was where to go.

Yup. I'm talking PS WR type of cut. Did it later on another play.

If Lamb can't cut, he's a #2 at best.

 

[kskboys]

David Carr was a bad QB. Let's stop trying to make him more than he was. He failed terribly at Houston and was no more than a backup QB for 4 other teams afterwards.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2008/jul/31/motivation-drives-carr/

Like I said before, I don't take his film breakdowns that seriously when he himself made similar mistakes when he played. Maybe he is talking out of experience and recognizes some bad reads or decisions after years of he doing the same mistakes repeatedly during his failed playing years?

No he wasn't. Let's stop trying to make him less than what he was and make excuses just because you don't like what he has to say. It's much better to just admit you don't know something than to keep throwing out erroneous information.

I watched Carr's career. He never had a chance. There is absolutely no way to determine if he'd have ever been good. His grade is an incomplete. And I mean, this is obvious stuff.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No he wasn't. Let's stop trying to make him less than what he was and make excuses just because you don't like what he has to say. It's much better to just admit you don't know something than to keep throwing out erroneous information.

I watched Carr's career. He never had a chance. There is absolutely no way to determine if he'd have ever been good. His grade is an incomplete. And I mean, this is obvious stuff.

He was overrated! Quit with the baloney talk just because you personally liked the player. His career stats and game films say everything. He was average at best and committed tons of turnovers both with INTs and fumbles, plus bad decisions.

 

[Flamma]

Yup. I'm talking PS WR type of cut. Did it later on another play.

If Lamb can't cut, he's a #2 at best.

I'm sure he can cut. I'm just not sure why he didn't do it there. This is high school level stuff. He's in the NFL, he's got to know how to cut. Sell the go, then plant your right foot and cut. That's how you get separation. He ran one of the worst routes I've ever seen. This isn't even hard stuff.

 

[Captain-Crash]

lmao, Carr got killed on every pass play, yet when one guy is out on the offensive line, dak has the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL. You can't make this crap up.

 

[gtb1943]

He was overrated! Quit with the baloney talk just because you personally liked the player. His career stats and game films say everything. He was average at best and committed tons of turnovers both with INTs and fumbles, plus bad decisions.

He was a much better QB then you are a poster

 

[America's Cowboy]

He was a much better QB then you are a poster

Truth hurts.