DC: Charles Haley Left Out Of Hall Of Fame For Fifth Time

[mrmojo]

Ray Guy should have been inducted long time ago. He's one of the greatest punters in the history of the game. There are greater DEs than Haley.

Name them..

 

[perrykemp]

Name them..

There are 9 other DEs eligable for the HoF with more sacks, but none played much in the Superbowl:

Leslie O'Neil - 132
Simeon Rice - 122 (1 Superbowl Victory)
Clyde Simmons - 121.5
Sean Jones - 113 (2 Superbowls, 1 Victory)
Greg Townsend - 109.5
Trace Armstrong - 106
Kevin Carter - 104.5
Neil Smith - 104.5 (2 Superbowls, 2 Victories)
Jim Jeffcoat - 102.5

 

[Pabst]

Everyone has an agenda. Everyone has biases. And when it comes to choosing one player over another, if everything is equal on the field, off-the-field conduct will be considered.

But Haley will get in. He'll just have to wait a little longer.

Very true. It's just the way the world is. I don't have to like it for the Hall selection, but it is what it is.

 

[tyke1doe]

Name them..

Reggie White, Deacon Jones, Bruce Smith, Carl Elder, Richard Dent, Jack Youngblood, Lee Roy Selmon ...

Now name the punters who are better than Ray Guy?

 

[Ring Leader]

I wonder how much his antics have cost him. He's never been a shoe in IMO but they should look at him very hard.

That's exactly why he's struggling to get in.

 

[Wood]

I have watched alot of football and Haley was one of the best I have ever seen at DE especially late in year or in critical situations. There must be a rub here or maybe personality conflict with voters.

 

[yentl911]

It's not a Cowboys bias. It's a decency bias. Charles Haley was a very indecent player and very obnoxious to the media - and he's paying for it. He'll eventually get in, but he has to pay for his boorish behavior.

I understand he had issues but it should be based on your play and on field legacy. There are several guys that had off field issues that got in. He should of got in before Strahan for sure.

 

[Tex]

Ya know I think you guys are lowering the HOF bar way to low due to Cowboy bias and his 5 rings. No one would be whining if he got traded to Buffalo not Dallas right and couldnt get in. I mean there is 8 or 10 guys with more career sacks?

Look I really do think haley was the key to Dallas Super bowls! That does not make him hall off fame worthy!!!!!! When Dallas makes special HOF just for ex cowboys he makes it. I think in his time he was very good. That also does not make him HOF worthy. He was a very good player when healthy. Not a HOF player for his career. Sorry. Crap we have a handful of Cowboys that should be in before him IMO.

You guys are basing this on like 3 years as a Cowboy. Cowboy HOF? Yes. NFL HOF? nope sorry

 

[JakeCamp12]

Haley was a key part to 5 Super Bowl wins. Reed got to the Super Bowl 3 times and could not get his team a win. Haley helped his team win 5 of them. Haley brought the attitude to the Dallas dynasty and I honestly don't think we win 3 in 4 years without him. Haley was a great player that always made plays when you needed them. Do I think during his playing days he was a crumb, yes I do. But if he is truly bi-polar and didn't know it, can you really blame the guy? My favorite story is Randy White knocking him out in his restaurant, but looking at what he did on the field it is criminal he is not in the Hall of Fame.

 

[tyke1doe]

I understand he had issues but it should be based on your play and on field legacy. There are several guys that had off field issues that got in. He should of got in before Strahan for sure.

Should be is the operative phrase. There are several players eligible for the Hall of Fame each year. You have to narrow that list. So you consider everything including available opportunities later, how many players have been inducted from a particular team and a player's off-field behavior. Based on on-field alone, Haley should be in. But that's not how it works. There's NO QUESTION IN MY MIND that Strahan being a television commentator helped his induction. But personality is a plus, and Haley had/has zilch. It may not be fair, but that's the way it is.

 

[tyke1doe]

Haley was a key part to 5 Super Bowl wins. Reed got to the Super Bowl 3 times and could not get his team a win. Haley helped his team win 5 of them. Haley brought the attitude to the Dallas dynasty and I honestly don't think we win 3 in 4 years without him. Haley was a great player that always made plays when you needed them. Do I think during his playing days he was a crumb, yes I do. But if he is truly bi-polar and didn't know it, can you really blame the guy? My favorite story is Randy White knocking him out in his restaurant, but looking at what he did on the field it is criminal he is not in the Hall of Fame.

I don't think Andre Reid should be in the Hall of Fame. His biggest chokes came in the Super Bowl. But he was part of the Bills Super Bowl legacy. That's why he got in. I think it was more a sympathey vote.

 

[KB1122]

As was said in the other thread, there are now more 90s Bills in the Hall of Fame than 90s Cowboys. That's insane. There are also an absurd number of Cardinals and Chiefs in the Hall of Fame, for two franchises that have stunk for decades.

The funny thing is, I would put Darren Woodson in ahead of Haley, and a number of other old Cowboys players who've been snubbed. But he's the horse I have to get behind right now.

Ray Guy ought to have been in long ago.

 

[erod]

Haley's credentials are more than worthy....

But, when you treat people as he did, and you commit the most disgusting, truly demented, obscenely sic acts that Haley did, and you're unapologetic for years about it, the repercussions are inevitable.When I learned of the acts Haley committed in the locker room over and over, I was stunned.

I think the Hall of Fame is somewhat afraid to put him in until they feel comfortable that he's got his craziness and impulses under control.

 

[sideon]

Haley's credentials are more than worthy....

But, when you treat people as he did, and you commit the most disgusting, truly demented, obscenely sic acts that Haley did, and you're unapologetic for years about it, the repercussions are inevitable.When I learned of the acts Haley committed in the locker room over and over, I was stunned.

I think the Hall of Fame is somewhat afraid to put him in until they feel comfortable that he's got his craziness and impulses under control.

Nope, these are just a bunch of people feeling themselves too much and the fact that he's not in is a complete joke. I guarantee you those same players he was mean to during his career would be the first to say he belongs in the HOF, basing this on personal feelings instead of play is ridiculous and makes them all look like grade school brats.

 

[KB1122]

As I like to point out .... Sterling Sharpe, played seven years. First-team All-Pro 5 times. Pro Bowl 6 times. Wasn't even a bad guy. Didn't talk to the press. Has he ever even been a finalist?

I mean, nobody would have traded Sharpe away for Reed in 1992.

 

[erod]

Nope, these are just a bunch of people feeling themselves too much and the fact that he's not in is a complete joke. I guarantee you those same players he was mean to during his career would be the first to say he belongs in the HOF, basing this on personal feelings instead of play is ridiculous and makes them all look like grade school brats.

All true, but have you read about the things that Haley used to do? Incomprehensible.

 

[tyke1doe]

Nope, these are just a bunch of people feeling themselves too much and the fact that he's not in is a complete joke. I guarantee you those same players he was mean to during his career would be the first to say he belongs in the HOF, basing this on personal feelings instead of play is ridiculous and makes them all look like grade school brats.

No, it doesn't. It makes people take notice that if you act like a child and you faunt societal conventions, don't be shocked if society doesn't accept you into a community based on societal conventions.

This idea you can act any way you want and people must accept you is for fairy tales and fantasy land. The real world doesn't work that way.

 

[tyke1doe]

As I like to point out .... Sterling Sharpe, played seven years. First-team All-Pro 5 times. Pro Bowl 6 times. Wasn't even a bad guy. Didn't talk to the press. Has he ever even been a finalist?

I mean, nobody would have traded Sharpe away for Reed in 1992.

But he got injured. And he never reached a Super Bowl, unlike Reed. He was headed for greatness (just like Terrell Davis), but his injury is always going to be held against him.

 

[yentl911]

There are 9 other DEs eligable for the HoF with more sacks, but none played much in the Superbowl:

Leslie O'Neil - 132
Simeon Rice - 122 (1 Superbowl Victory)
Clyde Simmons - 121.5
Sean Jones - 113 (2 Superbowls, 1 Victory)
Greg Townsend - 109.5
Trace Armstrong - 106
Kevin Carter - 104.5
Neil Smith - 104.5 (2 Superbowls, 2 Victories)
Jim Jeffcoat - 102.5

I wouldn't take any of those guys on field production over Haley. Sure some of these guys are much better "people" but not better players. This isn't the HOF for being a great player and being a good guy. This is about what you did on the field. I know this is not always the case but that is the way it is supposed to shake down.