News: DC: Spagnola: Defensive End Once Again Is Holding This Franchise Hostage

[Sarge]

this front office is going to have to stop drafting troubled players thinking that they can fix them.

RKG

 

[stilltheguru88]

No, we need defensive tackles not ends.

 

[Echo9]

So add Mickey Spags to the long list of Mediots claiming that we are one rushing-end away from being where we need to be this year and believe that a rookie, that is projected to be a LDE, is the answer. What rookie DE has come in, skipped his NFL learning curve and tore it up in the pass rushing department his rookie year? No...if Mick had been concerned about our position at RDE, he should've had some scathing articles about not jumping on some veteran RDEs we passed on this offseason (which I wasn't opposed to at all considering the $$ being thrown around). This mouthpiece, that only breathes when Jerry shuffles his junk, who's incapable of independent thought, should not be given an ounce of credibility. Scum. I should add that I'm not too high on that bumbling, pompous Broadus, either.

You didn't read the article, I take it. It hardly pimps Bosa. It simply states that our DE situation is lousy,due in large part to the fact that Gregory let the team down by failing to do what he said he would.

 

[Plankton]

THE FARMER AND THE VIPER

ONE WINTER a Farmer found a Snake stiff and frozen with cold.

The snake said to the Farmer: "If you pick me up and hold me to your stomach, your body will make me warm."

The Farmer said: "If I do that you will bite me."

The Snake answered: "Why would I do that if you save me?"

The Farmer had compassion on the Snake, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom.

The Snake was quickly revived by the warmth, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound.

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"You knew I was a snake when you picked me up," answered the Snake.

With his last breath the farmer said: "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel."

- Aesop

 

[Craig]

What a drama queen

 

[Hoofbite]

Of course DE is holding the team hostage again.

They put a bandaid over a bullet wound by taking flyers on Hardy and Gregory. Now they are literally right where they were before last offseason.

 

[unionjack8]

Finally sign Jason Jones

yeah, that would solve ......NOTHING!

 

[RJ_MacReady]

You didn't read the article, I take it. It hardly pimps Bosa. It simply states that our DE situation is lousy,due in large part to the fact that Gregory let the team down by failing to do what he said he would.

Oh, I read it, alright. Its premise is that we could have free'd up our choice for the first pick if Gregory didn't screw up. So it's a round-about way of saying that we need to use the first pick on another pass rusher. Whether it's Bosa, Buckner, Spence, whomever. The rest of the article is just typical gloom.

I wonder what article he wrote about our DE's in the offseason leading up to the 2014 season when we had no Ware, Spencer coming off bad injury, T.Crawford coming off 2013 IR, D. Lawrence just got injured in T/C, etc. We basically had Mincey and Selvie as our pass rush. IMO, I feel better (not great) about this D-line as a whole than I did in 2014. Mickey would probably tell me I'm an idiot. I would probably open hand slap him.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He's actually pretty clearly not a fan of Bosa, if you hear him talk about him as an option.

And Gregory, of course, is responsible for his own actions re: the substance testing. Not sure why we'd give him a pass for that. The reality is, we've got candidates for rush end, but nobody proven and nobody dependable.

Sure Gregory is responsible for his own actions, but lets not act like the team had the wool pulled over their eyes.

Gregory was failing so many drug tests at Nebraska, the head coach literally told the school to stop testing him!!!

That is why a top 5-10 pick talent wise was sitting there at pick 60.........because he is a drug addict. So when you draft a drug addict and he starts failing every test during his rookie year, you cant throw your hands up and say "how did this happen, we are so unlucky".

 

[Idgit]

Sure Gregory is responsible for his own actions, but lets not act like the team had the wool pulled over their eyes.

Gregory was failing so many drug tests at Nebraska, the head coach literally told the school to stop testing him!!!

That is why a top 5-10 pick talent wise was sitting there at pick 60.........because he is a drug addict. So when you draft a drug addict and he starts failing every test during his rookie year, you cant throw your hands up and say "how did this happen, we are so unlucky".

Except nobody's throwing up their hands in any way. We're trying to help the guy.

It was a risk-return equation like any other. I thought everybody understood that. The team took a risk on a talented player at a discounted draft slot. The player' had his continued issues and it's on him to straighten out or he's a bust and we move on.

 

[Echo9]

Oh, I read it, alright. Its premise is that we could have free'd up our choice for the first pick if Gregory didn't screw up. So it's a round-about way of saying that we need to use the first pick on another pass rusher. Whether it's Bosa, Buckner, Spence, whomever. The rest of the article is just typical gloom.

I wonder what article he wrote about our DE's in the offseason leading up to the 2014 season when we had no Ware, Spencer coming off bad injury, T.Crawford coming off 2013 IR, D. Lawrence just got injured in T/C, etc. We basically had Mincey and Selvie as our pass rush. IMO, I feel better (not great) about this D-line as a whole than I did in 2014. Mickey would probably tell me I'm an idiot. I would probably open hand slap him.

Well, if it was the same time of year (as in before the draft and before Lawrence) he was probably writng the same thing in how we are hamstrung by a need for a DE. In the end we ended up having to trade up to get Lawrence. If you mean AFTER Lawrence was injured (as you listed), then it's hard to compare since the time of year makes a big difference. This is pre-draft stuff. You have to compare Mickey's meanderings in 2014 vs now within the same context. My guess is pre draft 2014, he was saying the same stuff. The truth is we are in bind at DE this year and the timing is bad in that there seems to be no elite pass rusher for us to take. That sucks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Left off Irving who is a 3/5/7

He made so many plays inside at the 1 and 3 that in my mind he is a DT but yeah he def can play SDE as well. This isn't 2013 when it was gimp Ware and Spencer and a whole bunch of nothing after Crawford ruptured his achilles.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Except nobody's throwing up their hands in any way. We're trying to help the guy.

It was a risk-return equation like any other. I thought everybody understood that. The team took a risk on a talented player at a discounted draft slot. The player' had his continued issues and it's on him to straighten out or he's a bust and we move on.

Exactly, but that is not what Mickey is saying.

He is basically saying we have to take yet another DE because Gregory let the team down and the team is now hostage to the position.

The team took a flyer on a talented, but troubled player. In no way shape or form do you DEPEND on that talented, but troubled player to fill a major hole in your defense to the point that you are held hostage if said player is now suspended.

And if that is what the team did, well they botched the position just like they botched the backup QB position last year.

 

[jobberone]

He made so many plays inside at the 1 and 3 that in my mind he is a DT but yeah he def can play SDE as well. This isn't 2013 when it was gimp Ware and Spencer and a whole bunch of nothing after Crawford ruptured his achilles.

No need for Irving to play the 1 this year. JMO. I see him as a 3/5(7)

 

[Idgit]

Exactly, but that is not what Mickey is saying.

He is basically saying we have to take yet another DE because Gregory let the team down and the team is now hostage to the position.

The team took a flyer on a talented, but troubled player. In no way shape or form do you DEPEND on that talented, but troubled player to fill a major hole in your defense to the point that you are held hostage if said player is now suspended.

And if that is what the team did, well they botched the position just like they botched the backup QB position last year.

That's not what Mickey said at all. He said we rolled the dice and lost. Pretty obvious. And that we've historically had a really hard time filling the position, also pretty obvious.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No need for Irving to play the 1 this year. JMO. I see him as a 3/5(7)

I can see that too. I'm curious to see what he looks like coming out of the strength and conditioning program this summer. Looking at DLaw last year, I think Woicik still knows how to train those guys.

 

[jobberone]

Exactly, but that is not what Mickey is saying.

He is basically saying we have to take yet another DE because Gregory let the team down and the team is now hostage to the position.

The team took a flyer on a talented, but troubled player. In no way shape or form do you DEPEND on that talented, but troubled player to fill a major hole in your defense to the point that you are held hostage if said player is now suspended.

And if that is what the team did, well they botched the position just like they botched the backup QB position last year.

He may be saying that but we need to look at the solution to our problems and one is sacks and the other is less in pressure. If we don't do that then we will need a super offense in the neighborhood of 31-35PPG the higher the better in order to be a top competitor for a SB. The other main problem is pass defense which includes pass pressure and LBer coverage as well as DB pass defense.

We needed another pass rusher inside and outside no matter what. Now, we may have some insider solutions in the return of Crawford to health, a rising Irving, and perhaps a better Jack Crawford, Lawrence and who knows what surprise there may be. We added a WDE and another 1.

We have too much unknowns not to add pass rush.

 

[GroundZero1970]

I choose to look opposite. Other than the Atlanta game the defense held its own last year, it was the offense that screwed this team last year
Romo gone and Dez out was THE PROBLEM. If we would have had better QB play and receivers to get open we would have won 10 games atleast last year in my opinion. We need to draft a QB early and find a receiver that can separate and get open, then go defense. If you watched the games last year we had 6 games where we scored LESS than 15 pts. So Romo wins 3 games and we scored LESS than 15 points . Conversely Denver had 2 games scoring less than 15 points (both losses) and Carolina had 1 game at less than 15 points (a loss) see the problem? I think we need to shore up the QB and receiver issue first. I don't know about you guys but I am definitely tired of watching 3 and outs and punting.

 

[Craig]

I choose to look opposite. Other than the Atlanta game the defense held its own last year, it was the offense that screwed this team last year
Romo gone and Dez out was THE PROBLEM. If we would have had better QB play and receivers to get open we would have won 10 games atleast last year in my opinion. We need to draft a QB early and find a receiver that can separate and get open, then go defense. If you watched the games last year we had 6 games where we scored LESS than 15 pts. So Romo wins 3 games and we scored LESS than 15 points . Conversely Denver had 2 games scoring less than 15 points (both losses) and Carolina had 1 game at less than 15 points (a loss) see the problem? I think we need to shore up the QB and receiver issue first. I don't know about you guys but I am definitely tired of watching 3 and outs and punting.

If only they could get bryant and romo healthy...

 

[conner01]

Players like Bosa and Buckner wont be big pass rush factors so I dont see the point in drafting either one if the goal is to fix the pass rush. At this point the cowboys would be better off continuing to throw numbers at the position. And hey there is still Hardy and Jones, I would think either is capable of producing atleast as many sacks this season as bosa or buckner.

I think Buckner could be a good pass rusher, just not from the de spot. I think inside he could be a good player
Hardy is not worth the trouble