Debunking Myths Surrounding Tony Romo

[NeonDeion21]

I must confess; this was the very first article I wanted to write when I first joined The Landry Hat. However, I decided to wait until I could gather more information as I continued to work on this piece. But the main reason I wanted to write this article is because Dallas Cowboys’ fans have become spoiled. They have forgotten how fortunate we are to have a franchise quarterback and really only a handful of teams in the league can say that.

I remember all too well what the team was like before Tony Romo joined the Cowboys. I remember how it feels to have no hope going into the season because the team had average talent at best at the quarterback position. This week just confirmed it for me as NFL Network replayed the Hard Knocks episodes from the 2002 season when Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson were competing for the starting job in Dallas. I remember Randall Cunningham, Clint Stoerner, Ryan Leaf, Anthony Wright, Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Henson and Drew Bledsoe.

So in order to get Dallas Cowboys fans to remember how great of a quarterback Tony Romo really is, I am going to take on every argument against Romo.

Read the rest at: http://thelandryhat.com/2013/06/09/debunking-myths-about-dallas-cowboys-quarterback-tony-romo/

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Kinda off topic, but wasn't Phillip Rivers technically the #1 overall pick? I mean I know the Chargers had the first pick and drafted Eli, but then they traded him for Rivers. When I've seen draft day trades, the trade usually comes at the time of the pick and the team that traded for the pick makes the pick. Why did San Diego draft someone they traded minutes later?

 

[5Stars]

That was a good write up, but, really, good luck with a poster or two (and they know who I'm talking about) that will tell you that stats are just stats (until they want to use them for their purpose), that it's the winning that counts and that Romo only loses games when the game matters the most (as if all game don't), a total lack of the TEAM concept!

For some reason they know more about Romo and how the NFL works than either Romo or the NFL. Happy hunting, friend, happy hunting...

 

[tantrix1969]

Kinda off topic, but wasn't Phillip Rivers technically the #1 overall pick? I mean I know the Chargers had the first pick and drafted Eli, but then they traded him for Rivers. When I've seen draft day trades, the trade usually comes at the time of the pick and the team that traded for the pick makes the pick. Why did San Diego draft someone they traded minutes later?

They traded eli because he threw a temper tantrum and said he wouldn't play for the Chargers

 

[JoeyBoy718]

They traded eli because he threw a temper tantrum and said he wouldn't play for the Chargers

Oh ok. How long after the pick was made did they make that trade? Same day, next day, next week? And was it player-for-player or did the Chargers get something else in return? And Eli is an idiot. San Diego is a nice city.

 

[tantrix1969]

the Chargers got a couple extra picks + Rivers
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/358570-a-look-back-at-rivers-for-manning

 

[TwoDeep3]

That was a good write up, but, really, good luck with a poster or two (and they know who I'm talking about) that will tell you that stats are just stats (until they want to use them for their purpose), that it's the winning that counts and that Romo only loses games when the game matters the most (as if all game don't), a total lack of the TEAM concept!

For some reason they know more about Romo and how the NFL works than either Romo or the NFL. Happy hunting, friend, happy hunting...

A prime example of you hitting first with your comments about haters.

You make excuses before anyone speaks and claim you don't.

 

[5Stars]

A prime example of you hitting first with your comments about haters.

You make excuses before anyone speaks and claim you don't.

Again, if you don't like what I post, put me on ignore, OK!

 

[TwoDeep3]

I must confess; this was the very first article I wanted to write when I first joined The Landry Hat. However, I decided to wait until I could gather more information as I continued to work on this piece. But the main reason I wanted to write this article is because Dallas Cowboys’ fans have become spoiled. They have forgotten how fortunate we are to have a franchise quarterback and really only a handful of teams in the league can say that.

I remember all too well what the team was like before Tony Romo joined the Cowboys. I remember how it feels to have no hope going into the season because the team had average talent at best at the quarterback position. This week just confirmed it for me as NFL Network replayed the Hard Knocks episodes from the 2002 season when Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson were competing for the starting job in Dallas. I remember Randall Cunningham, Clint Stoerner, Ryan Leaf, Anthony Wright, Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Henson and Drew Bledsoe.

So in order to get Dallas Cowboys fans to remember how great of a quarterback Tony Romo really is, I am going to take on every argument against Romo.

Read the rest at: http://thelandryhat.com/2013/06/09/debunking-myths-about-dallas-cowboys-quarterback-tony-romo/

I would suspect if you want to sell the Romo is elite point, you'd put his stats up against actual elite quarterbacks.

I am not a stats guy except wins and losses. I am especially not one that finds the elite argument has any value at all.

Stats are used by the losing team to justify why their team lost but still won.

This is a rehashed argument and most of the article is skewed in the favor of your position without entertaining anything that detracts from the point you were trying to make.

Documentaries are ALWAYS the viewpoint of the documentarist.

So too are debunking the myth articles.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Again, if you don't like what I post, put me on ignore, OK!

Just debunking the myth that you let it go, as you suggested in another thread.

Putting you on ignore would take about 61.3975 percent of the fun out of this board.

 

[5Stars]

Just debunking the myth that you let it go, as you suggested in another thread.

Putting you on ignore would take about 61.3975 percent of the fun out of this board.

:laugh2:

That's cool, bro.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I would suspect if you want to sell the Romo is elite point, you'd put his stats up against actual elite quarterbacks.

I am not a stats guy except wins and losses. I am especially not one that finds the elite argument has any value at all.

Stats are used by the losing team to justify why their team lost but still won.

This is a rehashed argument and most of the article is skewed in the favor of your position without entertaining anything that detracts from the point you were trying to make.

Documentaries are ALWAYS the viewpoint of the documentarist.

So too are debunking the myth articles.

How can you say his article is skewed? He clearly says that he is putting Romo in that 2nd tier of QB's rather than rehash the "elite" comparisons. You can put some of those same stats up against the "elite" QB's and Romo will still fare pretty well. Like that 4th quarter QBR.

As they say, stats are like a bikini, they reveal a lot but not the most important stuff. Stats are a gauge for objective observers. He is simply showing a gauge that has legitimate comparison value with those 2nd tier high draft pick QB's. We really are lucky to have Romo no matter what the bashers say.

 

[Hoofbite]

Not sure about the numbers.

They appear to be different than what you would get by looking at NFL.com's stuff.

Doesn't change the overall outcome a lot except it moves Rodgers up above Romo in QBR.

NFL.com has a higher percentage and about 5 more TDs for Rodgers if you add up the situational stats for his career.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Not sure about the numbers.

They appear to be different than what you would get by looking at NFL.com's stuff.

Doesn't change the overall outcome a lot except it moves Rodgers up above Romo in QBR.

NFL.com has a higher percentage and about 5 more TDs for Rodgers if you add up the situational stats for his career.

I used the numbers from NFL.com. Thanks for the heads up. I will double check to make sure they are correct.

 

[TwoDeep3]

How can you say his article is skewed? He clearly says that he is putting Romo in that 2nd tier of QB's rather than rehash the "elite" comparisons. You can put some of those same stats up against the "elite" QB's and Romo will still fare pretty well. Like that 4th quarter QBR.

As they say, stats are like a bikini, they reveal a lot but not the most important stuff. Stats are a gauge for objective observers. He is simply showing a gauge that has legitimate comparison value with those 2nd tier high draft pick QB's. We really are lucky to have Romo no matter what the bashers say.

I do not consider a second tier quarterback elite. So putting Romo with the second tier and then using his stats to show he is better than they are is cherry picking stats to prove a point.

It's called a strawman argument.

 

[TonyS]

Nice article. Couple of recommendations.

1) In your charts, put the information about which years your data comes from to make it clear what you're comparing. You mention something at the beginning, but each chart should have the reference to the time frame as well.

2) Your introduction where you say you won't compare Romo to elite QBs because of the rings, really says a lot about how you are going to put the best light on Romo's numbers. Of course it is about the ring(s) and a lot of that has to do with how QBs who got into the Playoffs perform there. I would love to see Romo's Playoff numbers compared to Eli/Big Ben/Brady, etc... to see how close/far they are. That would get to the key point that "Romo haters" bring up, that he can't win in the playoffs. I don't know too many people who think Romo is terrible, they just think compared to the ones that win SBs, his performance falls off in the playoffs.

Thanks for taking the time to write it.

 

[CyberB0b]

Romo isn't elite. That's OK. The problem is that he is one of the highest paid QBs in the league.

 

[zack]

Romo isn't elite. That's OK. The problem is that he is one of the highest paid QBs in the league.

The problem is he would have been paid handsomely by us or someone else so it's a moot point. Give the man a running game and a defensive that can stop someone and then maybe the playoff wins will stack.

 

[jrumann59]

I do not consider a second tier quarterback elite. So putting Romo with the second tier and then using his stats to show he is better than they are is cherry picking stats to prove a point.

It's called a strawman argument.

If you read many of the QBs he is compared to in the article are considered "elite". I think tony is better than the tier he is compared to but not quite up to snuff to be in the top tier. If Flacco is in the top tier than that list has no credibility.

 

[Hoofbite]

I used the numbers from NFL.com. Thanks for the heads up. I will double check to make sure they are correct.

I just copy and pasted the situational stats for the 4th quarter.

I did omit one thing from Rodgers numbers. It looks like he took a couple of snaps when Favre was there in 2007. It was listed just below the 4th quarter stuff and I didn't really think it was all that important. Couple passes and that's about it.

I looked at Romo, Brady, Peyton and Manning.

This is what I came up with......pretty quick copy and pasting so maybe the error is on my end. Although I think you are correct as well. I think NFL.com is counting playoffs and you seem to have gotten just the regular season stuff.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00/touchdowns/passing/

Profootballreference.com has Rodgers for 43 regular season (summary box up top) and if you scroll to the bottom you can see he has another 5 in the playoffs.

Brady: 62.03% / 66 TDs / 32 INTs
Manning: 64.90% / 60 TDs / 20 INTs
Rodgers: 64.29% / 48 TDs / 16 INTs
Romo: 63.67% / 56 TDs / 23 INTs

Might I ask why you used 2004 to 2012?

I mean, Romo didn't even start playing until 2006 and Rodgers has only played since 2008. Not sure it's all that fitting to say "since 2004" when Romo wasn't even playing at that time.

The other thing I would just be aware of is that each guy's position going into the 4th quarter is likely playing a role in the raw stats. If you're beating the hell out of your opponent, you probably won't pass nearly as much when compared to trailing. I would wager that most of those guys are in the lead more often than Romo has been, simply because most of them have more wins.

If there's one thing to pull from the data it's that given the hand that each guy has been dealt, they've performed well. I'm only talking about Romo, Manning, Rodgers and Brady. Those are the one's I have looked at.

Romo especially has developed into a great player in the 4th quarter over the last two years with 22 of his 56 TDs and 6 of his 23 INTs coming in that time.