Defense is way too talented to look that bad...

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It seems that Dallas has the corners to cover in man, and we blitz with some different looks. Anyone else looking at this with the pass rushers Dallas has and Henry, Pac, Jenkins and Tnew and thinking something is wrong about how ineffective the coverage is or was yesterday?

My question is why do we bring pressure and not press with the corners at the line of scrimmage. I think you have enough talent to play up and press to get that extra 1 or half a second for the rush to get to the QB. You see the Giants, Packers, Patriots, Ravens and Steelers do this with half the talent on defense. The Defensive coaches need to play with the aggressiveness that Garret brings to the offensive side of the ball.

The Defensive coaches are blowing it by playing it safe. Protecting instead of attacking.

What do you think?
 

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I understand the approach they are taking. And with the offensive talent that we have maybe they are right. IMO I would rather press and blitz as well.
 

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I think it was a division game ..... stuff like that happens in a division game.
 

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A healthy McNabb is a rare bread of QB. He has such strong legs, and the ability to extend the play basically turns it into backyard football. Once routes and coverages break down, guys just start moving around trying to get open. When McNabb drops straight back and throws, he usually is off target - and is better when he evades the rush and gives his receivers time to get behind the coverage.

A QB like Aaron Rodgers however, will have a target on his back. Our rushers will be able to rush a certain spot - thus giving our secondary a fair chance.

Judging our defense off a game when a QB made plays with his feet, and asked our guys to cover guys for 5-10 seconds isn't fair.
 

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zrinkill;2265877 said:
I think it was a division game ..... stuff like that happens in a division game.


Agreed and that might just be the best offense were gonna play this season
 

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GoinForSix;2265883 said:
A healthy McNabb

I see the last nights broadcast stuck in your mind. Would anyone dare to count how many times this phrase was used last night...
 

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zrinkill;2265877 said:
I think it was a division game ..... stuff like that happens in a division game.

doesn't mean we get should give up 37 points at home
 

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And the Eagles D is championship caliber right. That seems to be the recurring theme the day after the game. right. Some how our D sucks ***, but the Eagles are legitimate contenders after the game. Damn, i wish we lost.
 

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The eagle's o-line is almost as good as ours. Factoring in a healthy McNabb who can scrabble almost resembles a mirror image of our offense. Both QBs are mobile and create opportunties down the field. I don't know if you've noticed, but McNabb was almost sacked a bunch of times. Seriously.. dont hit the panic button just yet.
 

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It will get better.

The style of defense we run really compliments our offense well.

Our defense is designed to get pressure and make the other team force bad throws and get picks.

McNabb played great last night. A lot of our troubles were because he was phenominal.

We shot ourselves in the foot a lot also.

Facemask, after facemask, after facemask penalty and us just finding ways to not get off the field on 3rd down.

We had a lot of mistakes but we wont see McNabb 16 times and this defense is not a finished product by any means.

The coverage last night was really good for the most part but the pass rush was having trouble getting to McNabb consistenly.

Give a little credit to the Eagles oline for doing a good job blocking and having the Zebras on their side for never ever ever calling that team for a hold.
 

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CATCH17;2265937 said:
It will get better.

The style of defense we run really compliments our offense well.

Our defense is designed to get pressure and make the other team force bad throws and get picks.

McNabb played great last night. A lot of our troubles were because he was phenominal.

We shot ourselves in the foot a lot also.

Facemask, after facemask, after facemask penalty and us just finding ways to not get off the field on 3rd down.

We had a lot of mistakes but we wont see McNabb 16 times and this defense is not a finished product by any means.

The coverage last night was really good for the most part but the pass rush was having trouble getting to McNabb consistenly.

Give a little credit to the Eagles oline for doing a good job blocking and having the Zebras on their side for never ever ever calling that team for a hold.

oh......you mean like the other Pro Football team is trying also......:D
 

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DaBoys4Life;2265916 said:
doesn't mean we get should give up 37 points at home

1992 season
Barely beat Giants 34-28
Barely beat Cards 31-20
Loss to the Eagles 31-7
Barely beat Cards 16-10
Loss to the Skins 20-17

1993 season
Loss to the Skins 38-16
Barely beat Cards 17-10
Barely beat Cards 20-15
Barely beat Eagles 23-17
Barely beat Giants 16-13

1994 season(even though we did not win superbowl I count this as among the championship years)
Barely beat Cards 28-21
Loss to Giants 15-10

1995 season
Loss to Skins 27-23
Loss to Skins 24-17
Loss to Eagles 20-17
Barely beat Giants 21-20


Division Games in the NFC East are always wild .... and you cannot base your teams ability from them.

The world champion Giants gave up 45 to us last year ..... and 31 at their house.
 

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Ender;2265928 said:
And the Eagles D is championship caliber right. That seems to be the recurring theme the day after the game. right. Some how our D sucks ***, but the Eagles are legitimate contenders after the game. Damn, i wish we lost.

Read the post because what you replied with is completely unrelated. No where does it say that the D sucks. It says the defense has too much talent to play as bad as they did and if the coaches were pressing when blitzing it would more effective and being as aggressive as the offense they'd be better off.
 

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Aliencowboy;2265986 said:
Read the post because what you replied with is completely unrelated. No where does it say that the D sucks. It says the defense has too much talent to play as bad as they did and if the coaches were pressing when blitzing it would more effective and being as aggressive as the offense they'd be better off.


Nope it wouldnt, then we would go back to giving up 60 yard TD's. Yall dont know what yall talking about. We gave up 10 points and you babies started crying.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2265916 said:
doesn't mean we get should give up 37 points at home

7 of those points occured when our defense was on the sidelines.


7 more happened cuz of a horrible PI call on Anthony Henry.


And 7 more should not have even counted, but since the play was blown dead we didn't get the recovery of that Jackson fumble.

Our D gave up a legit 23 points really (since Jackson SHOULD have scored anyway). The other 14 were either the offenses fault or due to a horrible call.
 

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GoinForSix;2265883 said:
A healthy McNabb is a rare bread of QB. He has such strong legs, and the ability to extend the play basically turns it into backyard football. Once routes and coverages break down, guys just start moving around trying to get open. When McNabb drops straight back and throws, he usually is off target - and is better when he evades the rush and gives his receivers time to get behind the coverage.

A QB like Aaron Rodgers however, will have a target on his back. Our rushers will be able to rush a certain spot - thus giving our secondary a fair chance.

Judging our defense off a game when a QB made plays with his feet, and asked our guys to cover guys for 5-10 seconds isn't fair.

So much for the McNabb sucks crowd. He's more than a handful
 

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Let's see how they do against Rogers; they better get to him and often.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2265916 said:
doesn't mean we get should give up 37 points at home

Wonder how Jerry missed out on hiring you as the DC for the team?
 

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Ender;2265928 said:
And the Eagles D is championship caliber right. That seems to be the recurring theme the day after the game. right. Some how our D sucks ***, but the Eagles are legitimate contenders after the game. Damn, i wish we lost.

No one care about their defense the fact remains they where with out their two starting WR and made us look silly.

zrinkill;2265962 said:
1992 season
Barely beat Giants 34-28
Barely beat Cards 31-20
Loss to the Eagles 31-7
Barely beat Cards 16-10
Loss to the Skins 20-17

1993 season
Loss to the Skins 38-16
Barely beat Cards 17-10
Barely beat Cards 20-15
Barely beat Eagles 23-17
Barely beat Giants 16-13

1994 season(even though we did not win superbowl I count this as among the championship years)
Barely beat Cards 28-21
Loss to Giants 15-10

1995 season
Loss to Skins 27-23
Loss to Skins 24-17
Loss to Eagles 20-17
Barely beat Giants 21-20


Division Games in the NFC East are always wild .... and you cannot base your teams ability from them.

The world champion Giants gave up 45 to us last year ..... and 31 at their house.

So are you referencing this teams years because they had the triplets and it occurred during our 3 super bowl wins??? Also Giants didn't play like world champions when they played us we also had the #2 offense in the NFL last year so I think thats a very poor example....Now can you bring me the stats where one of the Divison Rivals are missing their #2 and #1 WR and put up ridic amounts of points....

Rack;2266016 said:
7 of those points occured when our defense was on the sidelines.


7 more happened cuz of a horrible PI call on Anthony Henry.


And 7 more should not have even counted, but since the play was blown dead we didn't get the recovery of that Jackson fumble.

Our D gave up a legit 23 points really (since Jackson SHOULD have scored anyway). The other 14 were either the offenses fault or due to a horrible call.

I will say the fumble in the endzone and thats about it. You can't pick and choose when you want to acknowledge points scored by the other team. Bottom line they put up way to many points.

xtreme_2k;2266190 said:
Wonder how Jerry missed out on hiring you as the DC for the team?

Still in college =)
 

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The Eagles and Andy Reid used max protection and sent 2 or 3 receivers out to run deep routes during the first half. The DeSean Jackson play reflected that strategy. The Eagles used a tight formation to disguise their true motive on the play. It was max protection and both outside linebackers were chipped. Pacman passed Jackson off in zone, and Jackson ran right at Roy. That has to fall on the Dallas coaches for letting the Eagles get this matchup. When you play heavy zone and let your corners pass very fast receivers off to safeties, things can happen. The Eagles simply caught Dallas on that play. It was a good formation and play design by the Eagles. However, that should have been Dallas' ball, because the officials blew the call.

However, Wade Phillips and the defensive coaches made the adjustments at halftime, and the defense helped win that game in the second half. Phillips out coached Reid in the second half after adjusting to what the Eagles were doing in the first half. If you don't think so, just look at the stats in the second half. The Eagles were limited to 123 yards of total offense and just 7 points.

The Eagles were handed 14 points. They were given a gift TD on the fumble. That was a zero play, zero yard drive. Was that the defense's fault? Then, they had the interception and the bogus PI call against Henry. An offensive pass interference call right there would have knocked the Eagles out of field goal range and put them deep behind the chains. The bottom line, the Eagles' score total was inflated.

Other stats that say the Defense wasn't "terrible" in this game:

The Eagles were only 5/12 on 3rd down (41%). They didn't make enough of them.

The Eagles had 78 net rushing yards. 23-78 yards 3.4 YPC

The Eagles gained 5.3 Yards Per Play. Dallas gained 7.6 YPP.

The Eagles ran 64 plays . Dallas ran 54. The Eagles ran 10 more plays than Dallas did and were still outgained and outscored.

The Cowboys had 4 sacks (-22 yards), and two of them were when it counted the most in the fourth quarter. Dallas got pressure on McNabb. He was harrassed all night but avoided a handful of sacks. Plus, the Eagles gameplan was to use max protection and attack the zone coverage by running 2 or 3 receivers deep. You have to tip your hat to McNabb for being elusive. The guy is 240 lbs. Other quarterbacks would have gone down on several plays, including Aaron Rodgers.

The Eagles had zero sacks, and Romo was well protected.

The Eagles had 281 Gross Yards Passing. 6.3 Yards Per Pass.

Dallas had 10.4 Yards Per Pass and more yards passing.

Lito Sheppard was beat deep on the long TD to Owens. He went for that double move, too , but wasn't called out for it.

Brian Dawkins was roasted by Jason Witten. T.O. beat him on a slant, too.

Brian Westbrook had 24 touches and 103 yards. That is 4.3 Yards Per Touch. Dallas did a good job on him. Westbrook scored a TD when three Dallas defenders where being held right in front of the official, and he scored after the terrible call on Henry. Plus, he had another short TD after Jackson's gaff that should have given Dallas the ball, but the rule prevented it.

Redzone Defense:

The Eagles scored 3 TDs on 5 redzone trips.

Dallas scored 3 TDs on 3 redzone trips.


Finally, Doomsday had to win some shootouts. The 90s Super Bowl teams had to win some shootouts. I think there is some over reacting on the board as a whole.

Everyone says Pacman is "rusty". Cleveland targeted him 6 times and completed 2 passes for 20 yards. That is 3.3 YPA. I don't have the numbers, but the Eagles didn't do very well against him, either. It took a zone and a passoff in zone that allowed them to get on the safety deep. You can't blame A. Jones on a good play design by the Eagles. The guy is learning a completely new scheme, and he is playing well. He came close to picking one off again. It is only a matter of time.

I've got Newman being tageted two times for 20 yards on his 32 plays. McNabb threw directily at him 2 times and completed both of them. (1 for 8 on a shallow cross and 1 for 12 on a dig route that was bobbled and caught after a big hit by Watkins.) Newman will only get stronger as he settles back in.


It was the almighty Eagles' defense that was outcoached by Jason Garrett, especially in the second half.

The Cowboys' defense came through and outplayed the Eagles' offense in the second half.

Dallas' second half adjustments (coaching) was a key to this game.
 
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